Great reply ! Bravo, and here is my contribution...

Dealing with the science dope = such people believe that in the beginning was nothing and suddenly a big bang occurred and from that explosive nothing bang all matter and energy evolved... what a stupidly unscientific opinion; but, a perfect statement of the atheist dolts position... meanwhile the self-styled science community keeps whining about not getting any respect from society at large... look at what they say - because the so-called scientific community clings to their stupid big bang evolution theory they have root credibility problems; which, they now compound with their 'phony man caused' ‘’h**e America to destruction’ global c*****e c****e h**x.
Hello ! self-styled science Flat Earth’ers ! You roped in the Pope but I’m not falling for it.

the climate is always changing in response to actual + real planet and solar changes... there are natural warming and cooling planet climate cycles = geological events that control the temperature, SO2, and CO2 on this earth = all are occurring now :

the 175,000 year northern tundra thawing cycle, (to many Men out back in sleeping bags ?)
the 11,000 – 11,500 year polar caps melt cycle, (to many Man built Science stations near the poles ?)

the 1,100 – 1,500 year green land cycle, [last cycle ended with the fast on setting little ice age](Man not running enough)
[Loire valley grapes, in central France = south of England, are no longer grown north of London = c*****e c****e]
[the UN took the Greenland warming cycle information out of it’s anthropomorphic diatribe = climate study]

the 5,200 year Swiss ice man cycle [Otzi the Iceman] (Man ‘skinned animals are’ planet heating and cooling trigger ?),

the move from relative seismic stability to increasing volcanic activity; see Krakatau and +/- 120 year quieting vs. increasing activity as in 2014/15 bárðarbunga erupts spewing 120,00 tons of SO2 a day into the atmosphere which is more than 8 x the total daily Man caused output of Continental Europe – again, apply Real Science and post me the ‘mere’ CO2 values. (the whole deal obviously Man caused by failure to pursue Human volcanic sacrifices ?)
the planets all warmed 1 degree since the 1960’s cycle [heating solar envelope effect] (Man shooting arrows in the air ?),
[before last ice age Europe was 1 degree warmer than 1963/64 temperatures, we may be close to that + 1 degree],

the Atlantic sea current cycle now slowing, which primes - drives all of the world’s ocean currents, (Man rows to much ?)

the more water entering the earth’s atmosphere from space cycle, (Man spitting at God in his Heaven to much ?)

the rising and falling sun flare cycle [currently unseasonably quite… Hummm], (give me a hand, how do you blame Man ?)

the earth magnetic field cycle [a lava lamp style break-up], (Man relying to much on the compass) ...and on and on

…the above are all [actual] scientific Climate Changing FACTS = EVENTS that have [actual] scientific histories… as opposed to the loony toon, ‘not science’, big bang and man caused c*****e c****e baggage’ = (‘we just make it all up Man caused theories’…)

there is absolutely NO form of Actual Science that supports the obnoxiously stupid ideas that from nothing matter and energy spontaneously occurred; and/or, that c*****e c****e is caused by humans – specifically the Fraudulent enviro-commee computer models blaming successful America for Anthropogenic g****l w*****g. Giving credit where credit is due, we see that enviro-commees can spell “stupid” using 3 different alphabetic arrangements : spontaneous - Anthropogenic - stupid.

The above information does not dispute Real Science, it does expose/ridicule the obviously loony tune suto science that we are being fed as if it were substantial. I understand, the stupid theory ‘from nothing came everything’ is the only crutch the self styled atheist d*****ts have to cling to… but, they keep bringing it up, and I just can’t resist kicking their stick out from under them.

Note about the list of naturally occurring events, above, we should be concerned about these goings on because they are EACH major Historic Planet Climate Influencers in their own right, and planet/solar history says ‘they have never happened @/in the same moment of time’ BEFORE… as is happening now = it’s all happening at this moment in global history – the uniqueness of these forces meeting does not bode well and should be addressed vs. ‘the phony h**e America to destruction man caused c*****e c****e fraud’ being advanced by the obsolete governing feudal police state operations now controlling the governments of the world. (all parenthesis comments are as valid as any “Flat earth’er spontaneous - Anthropogenic – stupid” suto-science comments.)

Enjoy and profit from the ACTUAL, Naturally occurring, real, global/solar planet changing events, Mark13

1215 no warm in 19 yrs

Obama Fights to Save Planet That Hasn’t Warmed in Nearly 19 Years, By Deroy Murdock — December 1, 2015

Until world leaders can explain their way past two specific graphs, their gathering in Paris this week to combat so-called g****l w*****g might as well launch a War on Leprechauns.

It would be bad enough if President Obama and some 150 other heads of state were pursuing destructive solutions to a legitimate problem. Far worse, they are poised to adopt policies that will slow economic growth, spread poverty, and stymie human progress, all in slavish service to an utterly bogus “problem” of their own imagination. They are like madmen frantically swatting brooms at “bats” that flap their brittle wings solely inside these politicians’ febrile skulls.

Those who push this agenda once hollered about pending doom, thanks to “g****l w*****g.” A few years ago, they quietly retired that rhetoric and, instead, began shouting about “c*****e c****e.”

Why the jumped-up new slogan? “G****l w*****g” stopped happening, and complaining about it increasingly made them look deranged.

As this graph clearly indicates, scientific observations from weather satellites have reported zero warming in global mean temperatures since February 1997, when readings from recent decades peaked. Simply put, despite the warmists’ high-decibel bluster, there has been no g****l w*****g for 18 years and nine months.

This graph, and the one below, are courtesy of Great Britain’s Lord Monckton of Brenchley and posted by Climate Depot, a website of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. CFACT and Young America’s Foundation co-sponsored my November 19 speech to the New York University College Republicans on this very topic.
Lord Monckton’s data come from satellites that orbit Earth, far above the automobile tailpipes, air-conditioning exhaust ducts, and even barbecue pits that distort readings from ground-based thermometers adjacent to these heat sources.

RELATED: The Great Climate Lie

Despite this incontrovertible proof that their cause is more bankrupt than a telegraph factory, Obama and his ilk obsessively cling to their fantasies of Civilization oscillating between sun-drenched evaporation and drowning amid rapidly rising tides from molten polar ice caps.
Scary picture, but it isn’t happening.

In a maddening act of communications malpractice, many conservatives inexplicably adopted the self-confirming phrase “c*****e c****e.” (When it’s roasting, it’s c*****e c****e. When it’s freezing, it’s c*****e c****e.) This has stranded the Right on the Left’s playing field. Very, very dumb. The Right immediately should drop the phrase “c*****e c****e.” Instead, conservatives should reinvigorate the words “g****l w*****g” and force the Left to defend that verbiage, even as it devolves daily into a punchline.

RELATED: The West’s Self-Destructive G****l W*****g Penance

“But what about the models?” the warmists insist.
As Jim Guirard of the TrueSpeak Institute observes, the global warmists are the true deniers of science. They ignore actual data from satellites and embrace the alchemy of computer models supervised by the United Nations’s International Panel on C*****e C****e. The IPCC’s PCs spew predictions of a planet asphyxiated beneath a duvet of “carbon pollution” — Obama’s mendacious new epithet for carbon dioxide, a naturally occurring gas that humans exhale and plants inhale, before the latter produces life-sustaining oxygen.

RELATED: The Calcification of Climate Science
If these vaunted models truly can foreshadow the supposedly apocalyptic conditions on Earth in, say, 2050 or 2100, surely they have traced correctly this planet’s temperatures from their inception until today.
Not even close.

Letting go of a steering wheel while driving on a flat road is no big deal — at first. But a slight drift to the left eventually results in a head-on collision into oncoming traffic.

The IPCC’s blessed models similarly have slammed into reality.

As this graph confirms, between January 1990 and September 2015, these models have predicted 0.45° Celsius (0.81° degrees Fahrenheit) more warming than satellites actually have detected. If these sacred computer models blew it this badly over the last 25 years, why should anyone believe any of their prophecies about the next 35 to 85 years?

These facts refute the utter mythology that fuels this week’s festivities in Paris. Citizens worldwide should demand that their leaders stop chasing unicorns around the Eiffel Tower, fly home, and address the genuine problems facing their nations.

— Deroy Murdock is a Manhattan-based Fox News contributor and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.

A historic note or two

121215 from Doug-
Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"

This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we are heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates (the “Barbary Pirates”) were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.

They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay wh**ever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.

Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America 's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli 's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and ens***ed American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja answered, Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make s***es of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the f**gpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.

This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on…
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It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America . By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's STUPID leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!

If you have doubts about the above information, Google “Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World.

Banning people from our country because of their form of religion is not what we like to call the "American way" and there are the Muslims I have met who are nice people.

Some exceptions, those I met in the late 60s who are now people in Iran hating us for not being of their faith, Muslim.
The French let Muslims move in, muslins who refuse to acculturate, and now turn to murder : Jihad : Holy War... in, against, and on France.

The same Jihad style attacks America suffered on 911 and again, 1215, in California... Why, because we, Americans, are not and do not want to be Muslims.

I cannot tell a good Muslim from those who come with Muslim Jihad minds and murder in their hearts.

The Muslim Religion : practicing Muslims make it is impossible to figure out which of the Muslim brethren seek to come to the US to commit acts of terror on American citizens with the purpose of advancing the global triumph of their self styled "Religion of the Sword"… ‘it is written in the Quran that all nations who do not acknowledged our authority are sinners, it is our right and duty to make war upon them wherever they can be found, to make s***es of all we can, knowing that every Muslim who should be slain in Battle is going to Paradise.’ which is definitely "not the American way" to live, die, enjoy life or… get to Heaven.
…don't bother to copy to the Narcissist, dolt, occupying America's Executive Office for his muslim henchmen.

Theodor Roughrider Roosevelt, the “walk softly and carry a big stick” guy, lead the charge to bribe the muslims to stop attacking and stealing American citizens and property.

Thanks for the info... And now a little historical perspective...

Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"

This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we are heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!

At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates (the “Barbary Pirates”) were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.

They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay wh**ever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.

Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America 's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli 's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and ens***ed American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja answered, Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make s***es of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the f**gpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States .

This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on….

It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America . By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's STUPID leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!

If you have doubts about the above information, Google “Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World.

Banning people from our country because of their form of religion is not what we like to call the "American way" and there are the Muslims I have met who are nice people.

Some exceptions, those I met in the late 60s who are now people in Iran hating us for not being of their faith, Muslim.

The French let Muslims move in, muslins who refuse to acculturate, and now turn to murder : Jihad : Holy War... in, against, and on France.

The same Jihad style attacks America suffered on 911 and again, 1215, in California... Why, because we, Americans, are not and do not want to be Muslims.

I cannot tell a good Muslim from those who come with Muslim Jihad minds and murder in their hearts.

The Muslim Religion : practicing Muslims make it is impossible to figure out which of the Muslim brethren seek to come to the US to commit acts of terror on American citizens with the purpose of advancing the global triumph of their self styled "Religion of the Sword"… ‘it is written in the Quran that all nations who do not acknowledged our authority are sinners, it is our right and duty to make war upon them wherever they can be found, to make s***es of all we can, knowing that every Muslim who should be slain in Battle is going to Paradise.’ which is definitely "not the American way" to live, die, enjoy life or… get to Heaven.
…don't bother to copy to the Narcissist, dolt, occupying America's Executive Office for his muslim henchmen.

Theodor Roughrider Roosevelt, the “walk softly and carry a big stick” guy, lead the charge to bribe the muslims to stop attacking and stealing American citizens and property.

Here is a little American History that exhibits a similar experience to the relentless attacks of muslims on Jews...

Feel free to share with your friends.

Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"

This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we are heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates (the “Barbary Pirates”) were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.

They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay wh**ever their Mohammedan captors demanded.
These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.

Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America 's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli 's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and ens***ed American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja answered, Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make s***es of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the f**gpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States .

This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on….

It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America . By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's STUPID leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!

If you have doubts about the above information, Google “Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World.
Banning people from our country because of their form of religion is not what we like to call the "American way" and there are the Muslims I have met who are nice people.

Some exceptions, those I met in the late 60s who are now people in Iran hating us for not being of their faith, Muslim.

The French let Muslims move in, muslins who refuse to acculturate, and now turn to murder : Jihad : Holy War... in, against, and on France.

The same Jihad style attacks America suffered on 911 and again, 1215, in California... Why, because we, Americans, are not and do not want to be Muslims.

I cannot tell a good Muslim from those who come with Muslim Jihad minds and murder in their hearts.

The Muslim Religion : practicing Muslims make it is impossible to figure out which of the Muslim brethren seek to come to the US to commit acts of terror on American citizens with the purpose of advancing the global triumph of their self styled "Religion of the Sword"… ‘it is written in the Quran that all nations who do not acknowledged our authority are sinners, it is our right and duty to make war upon them wherever they can be found, to make s***es of all we can, knowing that every Muslim who should be slain in Battle is going to Paradise.’ which is definitely "not the American way" to live, die, enjoy life or… get to Heaven.

…don't bother to copy to the Narcissist, dolt, occupying America's Executive Office for his muslim henchmen.

Theodor Roughrider Roosevelt, the “walk softly and carry a big stick” guy, lead the charge to bribe the muslims to stop attacking and stealing American citizens and property.

Or, there are always the Historic Facts as provided below...

If this is over your head, tdsrnest, ask one of your collectivist handlers to explain it to you... in any case whack her alongside the head for telling you such ignorant : stupid Hillary gang "talking points" Krap.

121215 from Doug-

Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"

This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we are heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!

At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates (the “Barbary Pirates”) were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.

They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay wh**ever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.

Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America 's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli 's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and ens***ed American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja answered, Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make s***es of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the f**gpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.
Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.

This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on….

It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America . By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda. Sadly, it appears that today America's STUPID leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!

If you have doubts about the above information, Google “Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World.
Banning people from our country because of their form of religion is not what we like to call the "American way" and there are the Muslims I have met who are nice people. Some exceptions, those I met in the late 60s who are now people in Iran hating us for not being of their faith, Muslim.
The French let Muslims move in, muslins who refuse to acculturate, and now turn to murder : Jihad : Holy War... in, against, and on France.

The same Jihad style attacks America suffered on 911 and again, 1215, in California... Why, because we, Americans, are not and do not want to be Muslims.

I cannot tell a good Muslim from those who come with Muslim Jihad minds and murder in their hearts.

The Muslim Religion : practicing Muslims make it is impossible to figure out which of the Muslim brethren seek to come to the US to commit acts of terror on American citizens with the purpose of advancing the global triumph of their self styled "Religion of the Sword"… ‘it is written in the Quran that all nations who do not acknowledged our authority are sinners, it is our right and duty to make war upon them wherever they can be found, to make s***es of all we can, knowing that every Muslim who should be slain in Battle is going to Paradise.’ which is definitely "not the American way" to live, die, enjoy life or… get to Heaven.

…don't bother to copy to the Narcissist, dolt, occupying America's Executive Office for his muslim henchmen.

Note : it was good old "walk softly and carry a big stick" Teddy Roughrider Roosevelt who paid the muslim bribes to stop stealing American ships, property, and lives...

1/29/2015 Research Islam Is More Violent. 2,000 Attacks a year - five a day,” 27,000 deadly terrorist attacks in name of Islam since 9/11.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace, "Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Despite the fact some political factions, both right and left, across the U.S. have dubbed Islam a religion of peace, new research from a Danish expert confirms that it is, in fact, violent.

The conclusion was noted in a report at Jihad Watch, which monitors the toll of the religion of Muhammad.

Research: Islam really is the world’s most violent religion
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/research-islam-really-is-the-worlds-most-violent-religi...

“Together with a number of research assistants, the Danish linguist Tina Magaard spent three years examining the texts of the 10 largest religions,” explained Nicolai Sennels on the Jihad Watch site.

“The conclusion was clear: ‘The texts of Islam [are] clearly distinct from the other religions’ texts as [they include] a higher degree call for violence and aggression against followers of other faiths.’

“There are also direct incitement[s] to terror … Moreover, in the Quran [there are] hundreds of invitations to fight against people of other faiths.”

The original report immediately drew a negative reaction from supporters of Islam.

Islam er den mest krigeriske religion
http://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE5097347/Islam+er+den+mest+krigeriske+religion/

The work by Magaard, who holds a Ph.D. in text analysis and intercultural communication from the Sorbonne in Paris, found that “it is indisputable that the texts [of Islam] encourage violence and terror.”

But Imam Abdul Wahid Peteresen, of Copenhagen, said the research inappropriately took quotes out of context, and questioned if there are repeated calls for violence, why Muslims have not “eradicated all other faiths in the communities where Muslims are in the majority?”

And Imam Ahmed Abu Laban said he would not waste time “on someone who will create a false idea of Islam.”

But Jihad Watch pointed out that the research cited Quran 47:4, which states, “So when you meet those who disbelieve, strike their necks until you have inflicted slaughter upon them.”

It also cited another study that questioned 45,000 teenagers and concluded “boys growing up in religious Muslim families are more likely to be violent.”

Religious Muslim boys more violent, study says
http://www.thelocal.de/20100606/27673

The author of that study, Christian Pfeiffer, from a criminal research institute in Lower Saxony, said even when other social factors are taken into account, there remained a significant correlation between “religiosity and readiness to use violence.”

“The fact that Islam is the world’s most violent religion is most likely the reason why Muslims since September 11, 2011, [have] committed more than 27,000 deadly terrorist attacks in the name of Islam.

This corresponds to approximately 2,000 a year or five a day,” Jihad Watch said.

The report cited thereligionofpeace.com website, which has documented Islam-related violence since the terror attacks on New York and Washington.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

“Another fact is that the number of Muslims in the Western world is increasing dramatically and that they are becoming still more religious:

75 percent of Muslims inside Europe think that the texts of the world’s most violent religion must be taken literal,” the report said.

Jihad Watch noted 80 percent of young Turks in Holland “see ‘nothing wrong’ in waging jihad against non-Muslims.”

well, you should find the following right on target...

Hillary Clinton is a corrupt politician who helped her husband lie his way into the White House. But did you know THIS??

Hillary Clinton was only in her 20s when she was learning just how a lack of ethics can be useful in politics. She was so ruthless at age 27 that even Democrats on the Nixon/Watergate investigation were uncomfortable with her lies.

She studied under radical organizer and c*******t Saul Alinsky, and now she is the leading Democrat candidate for President of the United States. How is this possible!?

Decades after this statement was made (above), Hillary Clinton has been busy t***smitting top secret information over a home email server. Apparently, the more laws she breaks, the more Democrats end up loving her.

Please share this meme that exposes the 27-year old Hillary Clinton on Facebook and Twitter. She doesn’t deserve to be in the White House… She deserves to be in JAIL for a lifetime of crimes!

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/image-about-27-year-old-hillary-clinton-exposes-her-in...

Those are the things that made her who she is. Liar, dishonest, corrupt, unethical, proud and hypocrite.

Today she finds it politically useful to befriend Muslims who will support her in the 2016 e******n while she lies about her gross negligence murdering Americans at Bengasi, destabilizing the majority of the muslim states in the middle east/north Africa, and enabling the rise and existence of ISLS as the direct outcome of HER anti-American foreign policies when she was us secretary of state under the reign of terror of Obama.

Read it ...once again, Darwin never missed a chance to make a buck off of sensationalism in the then current political climate... I have heard Darwin labeled "the PT Barnum of politically correct Krap science."

Thanks

Thanks for the info... now a divergent gun thought

gun control at work

Mexico enjoys very strict gun control law enforcement against/on the general public; however the anti gun issue goes parallel for Mexico and the USA when it comes to refusing to enforce gun control on criminals : gangs = so, there is none.

Gisela Mota, new mayor of Temixco, Mexico, k**led Saturday, Mota was k**led only one day after taking office. Several mayors were k**led last year in Mexico, where drug gangs control many local communities.
Newsweek on MSN.com • 3 hours ago = received 01/02/16

Gisela Mota, her family, neighbors, friends, the people who v**ed her into office, and Mexican criminals cannot legally own/posses fire arms [except the government authorizes it]… wait, the only people who are disarmed are the Law abiding citizens… the criminals have more fire power than the police and the Law abiding citizens are relentlessly disarmed by the police = police who cannot – will not protect the citizens they tirelessly work to disarm.

Which is still better than being a disarmed citizen, hunted down and exterminated by the fire power of their government, which murder rate delivers an annual average global disarmed citizens slaughter by their government rate of + 1,300.000 million per year [since 1917]… but hey, they are all weaponless as a policy of the state when the state murders them.

The deaths of millions of disarmed citizens every year at the hands of the state is the direct outcome of common sense gun control… why would anyone oppose being disarmed so you can easily be murdered by the state and every criminal with a gun OR just roving bands with clubs or sufficient numbers… at Lexington, Men died opposing the reigning government attempt to enforce “common sense gun Laws.

One provision of commonsense gun control Laws should make it unlawful for common sense gun control advocates, public or private, to have or use any weapons ever; as well, they should be barred from being in any access controlled secure area, public or private – buttressed with a rider provision making the same illegal for their family members… they advocate being disarmed, let them be so disarmed – first and most..

If you are a council member – Governor – Legislator – President – judge – any government employee and an advocate of common sense gun control you can do your job from the side walk across the block from the protected facility you would otherwise work in… a bomb robot could deliver and pickup necessary hard copies so no one is at risk being around you… if your church or schools are common sense gun free zones you and your kids can, again, be across the block… when you say you believe something enough to impose it on the general public you will have the common sense to have the gun control require you, your friends, your family be completely disarmed and without a protected area every where all the time… if you don’t, seems to me to be fraud under color of statute.

O ! wait ! you don’t care, your just a l**ting lying plundering thug using the firepower of the state and/or private enterprise so you are never disarmed while never being armed in you own person = which defines constructive Fraud in an official : public – commercial position : capacity.

enjoy this day, mark13

Good points !

well said... the problems in America today are the guys clinging to guns and religion instead of directly participating in the political process 'from the start'... becoming candidates and workers leading up to the primaries, being in, paying for, and working in the primaries, with follow thru in the general e******n, and tracking the elected officials in office... well that is not happening; so, as you say the powers that be don't care because they don't have to = they know joe v**er is never going to stand up and be counted for anything... but then, I live in Oregon, land of the Looney Tune Burns m*****a.

well now, since you seem to believe that the i*****l a***ns and i*****l a***n terrorists being imported by the elected, appointed, and administrator people who occupy the offices of the American government are being brought here to attack us and steal our country through ‘the pretend to immigrate so muslims can o*******w the Constitution by installing sharia law trick’… don't you have an obligation to notify every American citizen :

1. the deaths resulting from the murders BY the illegally imported aliens and alien sharia people will be charged to them and their American government employee henchmen as 'Manslaughter' = behavior so grossly negligent that death results - the perfect definition of government employees importing i*****l a***ns and the terrorist sharia people;

2. all of the previous, 'REAL, immigrants' paid their own way over, paid for their own stuff here, taught themselves and their children American, kept their alien activities at home, while working to leave the krap from the old world behind - where it belongs... citizen supporters of the current ‘steal public funds to import i******s : accommodate i*****l a***ns and the rest of the sharia terrorists [their posterity]’ will be billed for all related cost including importation, support, education, custodials, costs of all criminal acts, and their deportations;

3. when government by Law is restored with 1 and 2, supra, in motion we will bill all i*****l a***n related costs to the mother country, each country of passage, and in the cases where the illegal’s are muslim we will bill every muslim controlled country a second time for refusing to take up the plight of their muslim brethren, take them in, give them refuge, and sustenance as mandated by the moral, principled, peace loving, brotherly love muslim religion.

4. you would also be pressing the issue of WHY ? the trash in America who advocate bringing the i*****l a***ns here, the terrorist muslims here, and then supporting them while they refuse to acculturate… why America is not using ALL those dollars to take care of American Vets, Ameican poor, American higher education debt, and American infrastructure ?

Now, seeing 1 thru 4 as true; then, IF you actually objected to Americans paying for the i*****l a***n invasion of and terrorist invasion of America, while America falls apart for want of maintenance and taking care of its citizens, wouldn’t you be emailing – posting – taking hand bills into the street – going to republican and democrat political places and meetings and giving Americans the word ??? and,

since your not, should we all see you as just a stooge – foil – sop for the American government employees who are using American tax dollars and resources to import and support i*****l a***ns and i*****l a***n terrorists in America… or,

maybe you just need to start publicly noticing all the where, when, and who to contact to do public redress against American government employees using America Tax $ to import and support i*****l a***ns generally and muslim terrorist specifically.

In any case enjoy this day. Mark13

The only solution is to v**e people in who will enforce government by Law.
Government by Law being the Constitutionally stipulated tool for suppressing and punishing the current operators of the Lawless, plundering, regime which occupies the offices of the American Republic...
prosecuting each of their legion of crimes and RICO activities against America and American Citizens committed while they use 'their' public offices - funds - stuff to aid and abet their invading i*****l a***n criminal henchmen... obstructing justice and the operation of Law as they l**t and plunder America to destruction.

Wrong on all points... the republicans are the quislings and the democrats are the t*****rs who conspire and work together to prevent the operation of Law, aid and abet i*****l a***n criminals, while oppressing the American Citizens as they l**t and plunder America to destruction.

There are no compromises in the nonpolitical l**ter simulations of legal processes you wrongfully label political... the only thing going on under the propaganda mills guise of compromise is "selling America out" for the unjust enrichment and personal political gain of the emerging political noble class by whom you have been indoctrinated : duped into thinking their predations and thefts are political activities... which they might arguably be in the case of murdering thieves who would be tyrants.

oppression and theft by the internal agreement of a band of thugs who control the most firepower of the State is not political activity in the sense of political compromise

[political compromises in matters of securing Individual Liberty do not exist - liberty is an absolute condition... like being pregnant, you either have Individual Liberty OR you have aborted it]

propaganda works = everything you write establishes you as a living proof of the effectiveness of propaganda.

Republicans feel that the party leaders work with their democrat party leader henchmen to sell us and the country out for their personal unjust enrichment and political gain.