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Jan 31, 2019 20:10:16   #
Lonewolf wrote:
trump is working hard to pay off his debt to Putin



https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/427816-trump-admin-to-abandon-arms-pact-with-russia-as-soon-as-saturday-top


Actually, what that article means is that since Russia isn't complying with the arms pact that limits the number of nukes each side is allowed to build/maintain so Trump is planning on ignoring the pact as well and presumably build more nukes for our side in order to maintain competitiveness with the number they have/intend to build.
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Jan 31, 2019 20:01:33   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
That would be interesting, indeed! Or just let the border states v**e. We can start with a vkote in El Paso, home of the f**e Mexican, Beto, where a wall/barrier reduced their crime rate by several hundred percent!!


Several hundred percent reduction in crime? Really? How do you reduce crime by any more than 100%? Did the citizens reverse previously committed crimes?

You can INCREASE by several hundred percent but you can't DECREASE it by even 1% in excess of 100%, regardless of what is being measured. Once you reduce something by 100%, you run out of wh**ever it is you are reducing.

































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Jan 27, 2019 02:49:15   #
sisboombaa wrote:
After several years of reading the posts on OPP I have yet to notice anyone change their opinion on a major issue. Does anyone think maybe we are wasting our time and energy participating in these discussions, arguments, opinion sharing, name calling, etc. One thing I have noticed is the high number of participants that are closed minded in an insulting way driven by anger. Hopefully, most of you realize anger is one of several possible responses to fear. With out fear there can be no anger. To operate under the control of anger is not the most intelligent way to solve problems.

Repeating my question; are we wasting our time?
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Jan 26, 2019 00:18:40   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Respectfully I00% disagree that the site is anti-islamic.
Did you notice the tracking year to date since January the number of suicide bombers, murders ect.
They also publish "t***h" that is Verifiable. I know what "Verifiable", "empirical evidence" means. I have been researching and verifying cults in America for 40 years and very versed in detail. I have researched Islam and the many claims made that are negative.
What is most troubling is the school curriculum from 1st- 10th grades and that is a good starting point for understanding the mind set of those practicing Islam.
There are people that say they are Christian but could not tell you what's in the Bible or the reality is they are not Christian. The same can be said for about 30% of Muslims that really don't know what is taught in the Koran. The other 70% that are taught have a very different mind set about non Muslims. They fully understand that lying about their beliefs to non Muslims, even eating pork in the name of Allah to deceive non Muslims is part of their teaching right out of the Koran.
I understand keeping an open mind in researching the t***h is not always as easy in practice, but if you are as honest as I think you are then you can separate personal bias.
I personally am not r****t against any creed, culture but do have what in psychology is known as a natural bias. Take for instance the Chinese which I have the deepest respect for them and their culture but the first one to be critical about the foods they eat and I'm referring to worms, puppy soup and please don't microwave your fish heads in the company lunch room.

Take care my friend,

Jack
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I typically find that if the "t***h" doesn't make any sense, it doesn't typically turn out to be the t***h.

With that in mind, let us examine the "t***h" of which you speak, the claim that they will "lie" to recruit non-Muslims to Islam.

What exactly would be the purpose of converting non-believers to a false version of your religion? Why would you wish to trick people with whom your religion would be a poor fit into joining your religion? How long will they be following a false version of your religion before they discover the t***h? Why would any deity command that you deceive others to join a false version of your religion? To what ends? Why would anybody believe that "their" religion were a true religion if they are to deceive non-believers to believe false things in order to get them to join your religion? Would you join a religion that commands that you lie to people in attempts to bring them in and have them join a religion that isn't a proper fit for them?

If you can provide a logical and reasonable explanation to those queries, then I might consider lending credence to the lies that ant-Islamic site puts forth as "t***h".

Keep in mind, that any site that isn't anti-Islamic isn't likely to infer that ALL Muslims are terrorists, that should have been your first clue that it was anti-Islamic. Also, there wouldn't have been a comparison between Islam and Christianity that showed Islam in a bad light and Christianity in a good light consistently if it weren't anti-Islamic. If they were just making a comparison for the enlightenment of those trying to choose between the two, it would have made an effort to show the positive traits of BOTH religions.


Edit: I am of course not making the claim that you are deliberately passing false information, only that I don't think you took the time to look at the information you are passing with an open and skeptical mind. If the "t***h" doesn't make sense, then consider it false UNTIL you verify it's validity and from reliable sources.
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Jan 25, 2019 16:03:00   #
padremike wrote:
I was faced with that situation with our firstborn. The doctors told me I had a 50/50 chance of losing both. If he could save one which one? It was an extreme emergency requiring an immediate decision.



It would be a terrible decision to have to make, one I envy not.
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Jan 25, 2019 15:58:26   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Hey Kyle,

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

I understand some of your defense, but.... How you and I read the Koran VS over 70% of Muslims that read it anti-Jewish, anti-Christian. I'm sure you are aware that most that believe in Islam will lie and say they are peaceful. However under the right circumstances would cut off a Christians head for Allah.
The site is worth an education into a hard t***h that many struggle to accept.


That site is anti-Islamic and has no qualms about using propaganda and lies to sway those that are easily swayed. Please offer a link to a site less biased if you truly want to "enlighten" us, preferably one without such an obvious agenda.
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Jan 25, 2019 14:27:07   #
woodguru wrote:
I haven't seen anything to support the rhetorical notion that it has anything to do with "right up to birth".

It fully supports a******n laws as they exist right now, which all have term limit points. I personally think they are excessively long, but when the right makes women jump through the hurdles and delays trying to make it as hard as possible, shorter terms can prevent a wanted a******n.

You support red states being able to pass their own laws, well here you go, liberal states offsetting hardcore restrictive states...if you don't like liberal laws move out of the state and find one that reflects your beliefs. We are headed toward christian versus atheist states the way christians think they have a right to "practice" their religious beliefs.
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It does make some exceptions that will allow a late term a******n under certain life threatening situations, but those exceptions existed before that particular bill as well.

If it was put to me, end one life to save another or risk losing both, the decisions would likely be a very tough and tragic decision that I would want to discuss ALL possible options and weigh ALL likely outcomes thoroughly BEFORE making the decision, but it is likely I would favor one saved over a potential none saved scenario.

If that is NOT the case, no life is threatened, there are alternatives that one can choose, adoption. Put the child up for adoption and you won't have to raise the child.
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Jan 23, 2019 20:11:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Does that apply to child molesters and pedos?
How about rapists and sadists?


I don't think THEY were born that way, I think THEY chose to be RAPISTS and P*******ES of their own volition and as such deserve no compassion.

As for sadists, their "kinks" don't affect anybody as they perform their "kinks" in private and with other consenting adults.
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Jan 23, 2019 19:52:58   #
Peewee wrote:
Why don't you ever blame Satan for any bad things? Why is it always God? Do you have an agenda?


So, when a child is born with mental and/or physical disabilities, we say this is the way Satan made them? Ask any Christian and they will say of any child with any a******lities that it is just the way God made them and that they love them all the same, as they should. After all, don't we always say that we are all god's children? Don't recall anyone calling children "Satan's children".
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Jan 23, 2019 19:37:51   #
woodguru wrote:
Most do not choose who they are attracted to, the person who is actually gay, who is attracted to men can fight that and try to date women and find that there is nothing happening there. Individual cases are as varied as the number of people studied. People are better off if they are allowed to be what they want to be without people who h**e others who are different.

It sounds like your family is like many who have tolerance for a family member who chooses to be gay however it comes about, like you say it doesn't mean you approve. My father's wife had three kids, one was a grossly obese gay guy. He had a boyfriend he lived with until he became ridiculously obese. She made excuses for him because he had been molested by her first husband in Texas. The family knew it was going on and they allowed it. His brother was molested as well but is not gay.

It really is hard to generalize because each case can have so many differences.
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Most? I don't think ANY would choose such a lifestyle. It is just the way they were born, and if one believes that we are all born the way "God" made us, then obviously he did so for a reason, either that or he has one hell of a sick and twisted sense of humor.

If "God" chose to make someone to prefer to have relations with someone else from their own g****r, then obviously he doesn't take issue with homosexuality, regardless what the holy text written by man claims. It is possible that INITIALLY he wanted his creation to "go forth and multiply" but as the population expanded, started making some of his creation to favor their own g****r as a way to manage population growth. it is possible that those charged with writing and maintaining the holy texts didn't believe in what was being divinely passed down to them and refused to include it.
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Jan 23, 2019 19:24:46   #
Rose42 wrote:
Allah is not the God of Abraham. Superficially some religions may seem the same but there are important fundamental differences.



You may want to do some research


jack sequim wa wrote:
Sorry your wrong on several fronts concerning,
"biblical" Christians. Allah is not the same God of Abraham or Christians. Allah is satanic along with the moon God that Muslims worship.
Where did you learn this from?
Also with a little research you will learn that the book of Mormon is a book of fiction written by William Spalding that Joseph Smith stole and forged as coming from God.


Yes, the Book of Mormon is based on Joseph Smith's own ideologies but it is still considered a religious text, just like the others and yes, Allah is the god of Abraham.

Here is a reliable source of information and this link links specifically to the resource you need to understand that Allah IS the god of Abraham: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
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Jan 23, 2019 14:13:20   #
maximus wrote:
There IS a sin unto death....it can't be forgiven. That sin, in your case, is unbelief. You constantly prove to the world ( and to God) that you don't believe He even exists. I have prayed daily for you, Bob, but now I cease, as I CAN'T pray the prayer that YOU alone have to pray.
I suppose you don't believe in Alla either, so lets see you post a cartoon similar to the one about Jesus. You won't do that will you? I reject Alla as a false god. But if you posted such a cartoon it could become a national news story( it's possible and we all know it). You could even be k**led by a muslim.
When you are burning, you WILL remember this. (Than's not my judgement but Gods)
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JEHOVAH, YAHWEH, ALLAH, and many, many, many more are the names of the god of Abraham, you may not yourself pray to him under certain specific names, that does not mean they aren't the same god.

The Jews, they pray to the god of Abraham, YAHWEH and quote their scripture from their Torah, the Muslims, they pray to the god of Abraham, ALLAH and quote scripture from their Quran, the Christians pray to the god of Abraham, (so many sects with many different chosen names of god, one of which being JEHOVAH) and quote their scripture from their Bible, Book of Mormon, Deuterocanonicals, Jewish Tanakh, Letter of Baruch...

There are so many more religious texts for just the christian religion alone and I am certain I did not include/do not know all the religious texts for the Jews or the Muslims as well. The point of the matter is, all those religions, they have one major thing in common, they all believe in the god of Abraham and believe him to be the one and only, lord almighty (the Christians also worship the son and the holy ghost as well, the Muslims speak well of their prophet Muhammad).
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Jan 22, 2019 21:11:46   #
Liberty Tree wrote:
So the love your neighbor suits you so you accept it, but his deity does not so you reject it. That is cherry picking his words.


His teachings were good, his belief in a deity... I would choose someone of his calibre to follow over any of the h**ers that claim to be his followers. By the way, many Christians DO follow his teachings, it just seems many on this site don't care to follow his teachings, makes you wonder why they claim to follow him.
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Jan 22, 2019 21:06:23   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You are very antagonistIc towards me...
I pass no judgement...
I believe it is you, in your attempt yo teach me TRUE Christianity, that is being judgemental....

Are you incapable of engaging amicably?

And would you kindly tell me who is doing the speaking in Romans? Thanks


Unless I am mistaken, it was Paul, one of Christ's disciples, one that walked with him and learned from him, I believe Matthew, Luke, and John also spoke out against judging others, Peter too was a disciple and he too spoke out against judging others. Did Jesus judge Mary Magdalene? Did he go ahead and cast that first stone?

I believe in treating others respectfully, apparently I am alone in this, it would seem modern day Christianity has strayed from the teachings of Christ.

As for speaking to you antagonistically, I haven't even spoken to you in this thread until now so...
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Jan 22, 2019 20:50:19   #
Liberty Tree wrote:
You have to read it all and not just cherry pick the things you like.


It isn't cherry picking, it is all over the new testament. It also isn't cherry picking as I believe all of Jesus' preachings to be of worth, even if I don't believe in any deity of any nature, I have much respect for what Christ is said to have preached, we can learn much from him, those willing to be open to such teachings.
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