The Forgotten Souls in Purgatory. (Part 2)

Michael Cain
Editor of Daily Catholic
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e007cpPurgatory_Cain.htm


Here was a completely innocent Man Who forgave all.

He knew those waving the fronds of palms to Him as He entered the city of Jerusalem would soon turn their emotions in the opposite direction, calling for His death by crucifixion.


Yet He forgave.

Christ knew it would be Judas the Iscariot who would betray Him, yet He forgave.



He knew the weaknesses of His chosen Apostles who could not stay awake even an hour to pray with Him, yet He forgave.

He knew Peter's weakness despite Peter's boasts that he would never deny His Lord, yet he did, and Jesus forgave.

He felt with the deepest human pain the satanic taunts and lashes from his torturers, yet He forgave.

He grieved for the souls of those who turned on Him in revenge, such as the Sanhedrin and Scribes, yet He forgave. He knew the sins of the thief Dismas, yet He forgave.

And He knew the sins committed by every man throughout History, and He forgives.

He knows the sins of every Bishop, of every priest, of every layman, of every atheist, every Protestant, every Buddhist.

Why not?

He created them.

He created them diverse, but not to wallow in their diversity away from Him.

Rather He gave us through His Apostles the command in.
Mark 16: 15-16

"Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth, and is baptized, shall be saved:

But he that believeth not, shall be condemned." Simple, but foreboding words if we do not heed His charge.



Yes, forgiveness is the key to putting the "Trinity Time Travel" machine in motion.

God has given us the Sacrament of Penance in which we need only sincerely ask for forgiveness with the intent of not sinning again, and God not only forgives,

He forgets.

When we are absolved in Confession our slate is wiped clean.

We are able to turn the clock back to that innocent time when our souls were pure, devoid of serious sin, basking in sanctifying grace.

It is our prayerful wish that everyone whose soul is presently dead with mortal sin will avail themselves of this necessary Sacrament, without which one cannot receive Holy Communion.

This gift is one of the best traits of "Trinity Time Travel" that the Church offers us and is one of the requirements of the annual Easter Duty.

It is an opportunity for all Catholics to strap on their headgear, by examining their consciences, and buckle in with a sincere Act of Contrition in order to gain the maximum graces and experience the thrill of a clean heart by springing into action within the Confessional.

There, no matter what the sins of our pasts might be, we can return to the abode of God's fullest love and soak in the rays of His Mercy.



We can go home again

They say "home is where the heart is" and our hearts will remain restless until they rest in Him, to paraphrase the great Doctor St. Augustine who knew all about turmoil in the Church.

Through God we can settle that restlessness, spring ahead to a new peace of mind and soul, and, yes, contrary to what Thomas Wolfe says, through the mode of "Trinity Time Travel" we can go home again!

And speaking of our true home, there is only one: Heaven.

To get there we have to first pay off our mortal mortgage.

It should be prayer of all that they will die in the full state of grace with no stain of sin on their souls, mortal or venial. If there is mortal sin - well, it's a given, sorry, but no room in the Heavenly Inn. If there is venial - then we have to make amends.

How long that will be depends on how we have lived, prayed and made our works good works for Him, not man.

It is His Will that we work to free those stranded souls in Purgatory.

That takes priority over saving whales or caribou or whatever creatures God created that lack free will.

Yes, it is our choice to choose to do His Will or our own.

We can skate now, but we'll have to make up the deficit sooner or later.

I don't know about you, but I'd just as soon pay up now and be assured I won't have a staggering balloon payment at the end.

That is why I work with all my heart here to be worthy of God so that when He chooses to call me home, I will hopefully pass through Purgatory quickly.

I think that for any of us, no matter how much we are striving for sanctity, to think we can totally bypass Purgatory and go straight to Heaven is presumption at its greatest.

Only the purest of souls are allowed admittance to such an exclusive Club where your membership never ends.

Most who are able to escape the clutches of Hell cannot avoid Purgatory.

So, please, do not cease praying for that deceased parent, grandparent, child, relative, friend, priest, or Bishop - oh, especially the Bishops -

Because chances are, considering the track record of performance over the past 40 years, too many are still languishing and stranded in Purgatory.

Don't just assume because someone might have been beatified or canonized in the last 25 years that they are automatically in Heaven.

I sure wouldn't go that far.

The truth is we do not know.

But considering what the Church always taught, we have reason to doubt that what modern Rome tells us is true when it contradicts the documents codified at Trent as well as Divine Revelation and Sacred Tradition. Again, folks, the holy Apostle Paul's words to the.
Galatians in chapter 1: 8-10

Come into play, very relevant for these times and circumstances.

The truth is we have greatly dropped the ball on our part of the Communion of Saints. That's not good teamwork.

The Novus Ordo priests and Bishops keep calling for "unity of the community" as they push every abuse they can in bringing the congregation closer to the deadly coils of the viper.

If they really wanted "unity of the community," they'd get down on their knees and pray around the clock for the Church Suffering.

They sure need to do something to toughen up the lax and flabby souls who blindly go along with every temporal command, oblivious to what God and His True Church have always asked and demanded.

If they are not in shape to die for and with Christ now, they are sure not going to be ready when push comes to shove!

And that time is getting closer, folks.

Death comes for all, and the Church teaches most souls must spend some time in Purgatory

I know, as I said, that when I pass from this life, I leave only three requests.

That my surviving family members would not be abandoned, that I have a Traditional Latin Requiem Mass and Burial in holy ground, and that no one assume that I or anyone else has gone straight to Heaven.

It is better to doubt and do all we can to pray those souls into Heaven than to assume they've already got it made.

If we can remember that and do all we can to save souls by praying for the poor souls in Purgatory, we might be amazed at how Heaven responds.

We can see acted out in the Holy Week liturgy that One Man conquered death, but He didn't breeze through it.

Au contraire, as Mel so masterfully depicted - and that doesn't begin to really describe what Christ went through for us. He paid the price of Atonement with His propitiatory sacrifice.

That is why a Requiem Mass is so necessary when we die, black vestments to remind us our soul needs cleansing and we need to pray for the departed, not forget them.




Yes, I might be getting ahead of myself in speaking about a morbid subject like my own death, but then it is necessary to be ready.

Jesus, the Saints, and His Holy Church have hammered that home.

We must have our lamps lit to be ready when the Bridegroom comes.

Considering the final rewards, I would hope what I have expressed in this editorial is not just my pewPOINT, but for all of us -

A blueprint, or if you will, a Death Wish for Eternal Life!



The only way to fulfill that is to be willing to put our lives on the line, to be willing to be tested like gold in the furnace.

Yes, it's getting plenty hot right now, but we traditionalist Catholics should be used to it.

Yes, we're idealists to think that eventually this Pope will turn things around, or that people will finally wake up and return to the True Church.

But hey, without hope, what would have pushed the Apostles onward?

They also knew - and we should be prepared as well - that they would be persecuted and even threatened. Christ already clued us in on this in.
Luke 21: 12 and John 15: 20.

We shouldn't be surprised.

What sadly surprises us, however, is how few are conditioned to suffer, even to die for the True Faith.

As the time grows shorter for us all, there is a question we must all ask ourselves:

Are we prepared to die with and for Him?


(End Part 2)

The Forgotten Souls in Purgatory. (Part 1)

Michael Cain
Editor of Daily Catholic
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e007cpPurgatory_Cain.htm

Too many have forgotten that the infallible dogma of the Church on salvation includes four final things - Death, Heaven, Hell and Purgatory.

To placate Protestants, the doctrine of the Church Suffering has been abandoned. So have those poor souls stranded in that place which so many deny exists.

Therefore, the Church Militant has let down the Communion of Saints. No wonder so few prayers are answered lately!

The time we all have here and now will soon be gone, never to be recovered. Time is definitely of the essence.

But more important is that we should save the time we would spend in Purgatory by utilizing our talents on earth to be in total union with God's holy will.

For some reason in this day and age that is very difficult to do, let alone comprehend. Maybe that is why those who resist the Revolution that has so ravaged our beloved Church seek more to turn the clock back to the time before the aberration of Vatican II cast its dark and foreboding shadow on the Mystical Bride of Christ.

There are many who buy into that age-old axiom, "If we knew then, what we know now, things would be different."

Retrospect is great for what-iffing, but the facts are we have made our bed and now God asks us to sleep in it.

But that doesn't mean we can't throw out the dirty, rancid sheets that have soiled the sacred covenant.

All the fancy man-made synthetic coverings have not kept Catholics warm and cozy, safe in the Father's loving arms with the assurances of what are the absolutes, a true guide for life. Rather, in the manner of Adam and Eve, the vast majority have sought ways and means to be more like gods than how God likes.

In this search for "a better way" and to "liberate ourselves" from the "shackles of medieval thinking" so many have unwittingly enfolded themselves in the coils of the serpent, thinking that 'warm and cozy' feeling will last.

Only when the vile evil one begins to squeeze once they are in his grasp do they realize where they really are. For many it's too late, so constricted is their faith that they have nowhere to turn.

The source they had thought would provide for their attempts to rationalize their wrong actions has turned out to be the very enemy they were warned about as toddlers.

Now they cry out in pain and torment, not just in this life but also in the afterlife.

Yes, the After Life. This is essential to think about. …. I can imagine Our Lord in His Passion foreseeing what His children would forsake in these times: their own souls. It is a fact.

And yet, as bad as the situation is today with merely a remnant of truly faithful Catholics left amongst the legion of Catholics-thinking-they-are-still-Catholic, as bad as the reality is that there are so few True Holy Masses that can be found today, especially Daily Mass, as bad as all that is, I think the most terrible tragedy is that, for the most part, the modern Church has abandoned those who need the most help - the Poor Souls in Purgatory.



The poor souls abandoned

Because of the heresy of Martin Luther, the idea of Purgatory has long been considered a myth of the Catholic Church - a medieval myth.

You'll note anyone seeking to advance the modernist, Masonic, One World New Order agenda will most always label traditional practices as "medieval."

If that is the case, then America was founded in "Medieval Times." I'm sorry, but I don't remember any Knights of the Round Table or Crusaders marching through Massachusetts, Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, Texas or California or sailing the Great Lakes or the mighty Mississippi.

No, the whole 'medieval' smear is exactly what modernists are so adept at: inaccuracies and lies…

Why is it that something so fundamental to Church dogma has been abandoned?

Just as there are Three Persons in One God, the Triune Divinity, so also there are three components in One Communion of Saints.

Those are, of course, the Church Triumphant - the saints in Heaven;

The Church Militant - all those baptized faithful believers on earth, and

The Church Suffering - all those who are waiting to be purified before entering the Heavenly realm.

Yes, Virginia, Purgatory does exist.

And the sooner all realize that and begin to fulfill the duty that we as members of the Church Militant have - praying for the poor souls -

The sooner they'll be freed and can then intercede for us.

Heavens knows all of us here on earth need help!

So while we wile away our time trying to find ways to save time, why don't we make the resolution to rededicate our efforts to helping those who, in the long run, will help us the most, those who have just entered Heaven.

They're so grateful that they will go to great lengths to show their gratitude by interceding before the Beatific Vision.

Fresh prayers from new holy recruits. A refreshing idea. ….

I have news for all, and yes, I'm even speaking to "the choir" here - none of us does as much as we should for the Poor Souls.

While we focus so much attention on the events of the day both in the world with war and terrorism, natural and man-made disasters, greed, graft, sodomy run amok, adultery and pornography seeping into every fabric of life, the rampant materialism,

What we really need to do is find time to meditate on the question - What is really important?

Yes, our family's welfare is important, but as I have gone to the mat several times with my sons when they have asked for things that are not good for them, the most important role I have in life other than the welfare of my own soul and my wife's soul is their spiritual welfare. What it basically comes down to is this:

Nothing else matters! Jesus said that so very clearly in.
Matthew 16: 26,



"For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul?

Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of His Father, with His angels: and then will He render to every man according to His works."


As an aside, that last doctrine by Our Lord totally anathematizes the Protestant belief of sola Scriptura or sola Fidei

[Only the Scriptures or only the Faith saves].

Your works count in your salvation, and those works include helping the suffering souls in Purgatory.

If there were a movie I'd love to see Mel Gibson tackle, it would be a movie on the existence of Purgatory.

Now, I don't have a clue right now, but I am sure the Holy Ghost will inspire someone, if He hasn't already touched Mel to take on this most important, most traditional and Catholic fundamental benchmark of belief.



Trinity time travel - the Confessional

As the years creep up on all of us, we all realize only too well the mistakes we've made in the past and sometimes wish we could go back, but we know we can't.

Or can we?

I won't call it by the mundane name of time travel, but rather what Christ basically gave us through His institution of the Sacraments, "Trinity Time Travel."

For, through sacramental grace and prayer, we can go back to our roots - to that state of sanctifying grace the Father gave us at Baptism.

Then He showered us with more graces through the Sacraments of Penance and the Holy Eucharist in which we receive the Divine Son, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity.

This regular reinforcement - refueling - along with the graces gained at Confirmation, make us tested, dependable Soldiers of Christ - another term rarely heard in new Church these days.

So through "Trinity Time Travel" we can go back in time.

We can return to that state of grace that marked us as innocents in God's eyes.

Who wouldn't want to hop this sure-fire spiritual taxi to return to that safe shangrila of being embraced in the loving arms of the Father, near the Sacred Heart of Jesus and sheltered by the protective wings of the Holy Ghost?

We all can; we all have been given that passport.



That is the beauty of "Trinity Time Travel," the key element in our lives, the saving factor of every regret and mistake in life.

For God can forgive and forget.

We can forgive as well, but the forgetting is much harder.

Many say they can't. God knows our weaknesses.

Maybe that's another reason He sent His Only-begotten Son to show us it can be done!

What a role Model! Mel's masterpiece illustrated this so visually, so beautifully.

(End Part 1)

The Seven Last Words . . .

Marian Therese Horvat, Ph.D.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/f006rp.htm

During the course of the life of Our Lord Jesus Christ, Lucifer and his demons could never ascertain fully whether Jesus Christ was true God and Redeemer of the world, Blessed Mary of Agreda tells us in The City of God.

Lucifer had many suspicions, of course, especially after St. Peter confessed Our Lord’s mission, and after Lazarus was raised by Christ from the dead.

But he did not have certainty. He knew that Our Lord was an extraordinary man, but he was not certain that He was God.

His overreaching pride could not admit that a human, and not an angel, could be united hypostatically to God, the Creator of heaven and earth.

As soon as Lucifer and his legions saw Christ take up the Cross on His sacred shoulder, they felt an overwhelming urge to flee and cast themselves into Hell, for then they began to feel the effects of Our Lord’s divine power.

They sensed that this was, indeed, no ordinary man, and that He threatened a great ruin to them.

But there was to be no “Great Escape” for them.

At the command of Our Lady, the demons were forced to remain and accompany Christ to Calvary.

The last words of Our Lord had a profound repercussion over the angels and the devils

By the power of her Divine Son, Mary held the demons, as she will throughout History, in subjection and bondage.

“She forced them to come to Calvary and stand around the Cross, where She commanded them to remain motionless and witness the end of the great mysteries there enacted for the salvation of men and the ruin of themselves,” Mary of Agreda tells us (The Transfixion).

The moment appointed by Heaven for the ancient dragon to be vanquished by the Son of Man had arrived, and Mary Most Holy ordered the demons to be present to suffer the confusion and consternation of witnessing their defeat.

In this Holy Season of Lent, I thought readers might find it interesting to see how, according to Mary of Agreda, the Seven Last Words of Our Lord on the Cross affected the princes of darkness.

For, with the pronouncement of each word, she records, the demons were given to understand the mysteries contained in it with regard to their own ruin.

With the first word, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do!”

The evil spirits at last came to the full and painful conviction that it was Christ Our Lord who was speaking to His Eternal Father.

With this confirmation, the demons in their confusion again strained with all their might to hurl themselves to the depths of Hell, and again found themselves prevented by the command of Christ’s Mother.

The second word was spoken to the good thief:

“Amen I say to thee, today thou shalt be with Me in Paradise.”

With this, they understood that the merits of His death in His most sacred and perfect Humanity, united to His Divinity, would win the pardon of the sins of man, who from then on could avail themselves of this for their salvation.

The gates of Paradise, closed by the first sin, would be again open to man

The torment this caused Lucifer was so great he begged the Blessed Virgin to allow him to descend to Hell and be removed from this scene.

But the Queen of Heaven did not consent.

At the third word, “Woman, behold thy son!”

The demons discovered that Mary was the true Mother of God, the woman announced in the heavens who would crush their head.

With this, they were seized with a helpless rage.

Their fury increased as they understood that St. John was endowed with the powers of the priesthood.

For then they understood the words of Our Lord at the Last Supper that gave the Apostles the power to renew the Sacrifice of the Cross.

Therefore, the devils saw in St. John not only the power of the Evangelist, but the power given to all the priests by virtue of their participation in the dignity and power of the Redeemer.

The fourth word, “God, my God, why has Thou forsaken Me?”

Showed the evil spirits the boundless and everlasting charity of God toward men. For, in order to satisfy this unthinkable charity, the Father seemed to have mysteriously suspended the presence of the Divinity of the Son over His most sacred Humanity, thus permitting His sufferings to reach the highest degree so that they might give the most abundant fruits.

Man’s good fortune in being so beloved by God increased the envy of Lucifer and his demons.

The fifth word, “I thirst”
Permitted the demons to see their total overthrow.

In effect, they understood Our Lord was saying that His love for man was insatiable, and that, were it possible, He would suffer yet more to be assured of their eternal salvation.

With the sixth word of Our Lord on the Cross:
“It is consummated,”

Lucifer and his legions understood that the mystery of the Incarnation and Redemption had been accomplished.

The great sentence of condemnation that released the evil spirits to the eternal abyss came only with his final words:

“Father, into Thy hands I commend My Spirit.”

Then, at the command of Our Lady together with her Beloved Son, Lucifer and all the demons were hurled to the deepest parts of Hell. There, Blessed Mary of Agreda tells us,

“It is proper for men to understand that Lucifer and his demons were restricted, lamed and weakened in their power of tempting human creatures, unless their sins and their own free will do not unbind them and encourage them to return for the destruction of the world.”



Analogy for our times

Who can think that the crisis today in the Catholic Church and society is just the fruit of human action?

Man has opened the doors to Lucifer and the demons for them to stimulate, exacerbate, and direct this action of destruction.

Logically speaking, the kind of generalized depravity and chaos we are witnessing today does not take place without a preternatural action.

Without the cooperation of Lucifer, it would be difficult to imagine that man could arrive at such extremes of pride and sensuality that he is presently reaching, that the Holy Church could be so infiltrated with agents bent on her destruction.

It is, therefore, crucial to consider the opposition placed between Our Lady and the Serpent since the beginning of time:

“I will place enmities between you and the woman, between your race and her race; she will crush your head and you will lie in wait for her heel”
(Gen 3:15)

Given the imperium, or power, with which God has invested Our Lady, it is enough that she should again give a command for the demons to be confounded and withdraw from the scene of human action.

Likewise, it suffices that, for the chastisement of men, She would permit the infernal legions a certain margin of action for the crisis to reach this extreme of evil we are experiencing today.

Thus we see how much depends on her rule and dominion.

Our Lord gave His Blessed Mother a royal power over all Creation.

He crowned her Queen of the Universe to govern it.

Our Lady, united to the will of God in all things and dependent upon Him, nonetheless exercises her action throughout History, and, therefore, plays a role in the direction of History.

Such considerations open the perspective for the victory She has predicted.

At Fatima in 1917, and three hundred years earlier in Quito, she foretold a great crisis in the present day Church and world and her own triumphal intercession at a most crucial moment, a moment perhaps not so far distant.


Without doubt, at the command of Our Lady in the near future, the demons that were released to inflict so much damage on the Holy Church today will once again be hurled, wailing and cursing, to the deep abyss.

These evil spirits demons will again be enchained there – restricted, lamed and weakened in their power to tempt man.”

Then, with the torrent of graces that will flow upon a chastised world, the faithful will breathe once again a purer and less infested air and the spirit of religion will again begin to prosper in a true Reign of Mary.

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!

Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.

And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.

Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.

Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.


That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?


On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.

Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.

And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.

We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.

The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.

We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.

Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.

For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.

It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.

Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.

Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.

So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?

I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a

Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.


So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.

The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church


And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.

I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?

Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.


Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?


Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.


So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.

And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.

I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.

By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .


When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.


And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!

Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.

And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.

Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.

Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.


That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?


On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.

Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.

And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.

We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.

The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.

We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.

Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.

For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.

It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.

Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.

Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.

So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?

I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a

Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.


So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.

The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church


And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.

I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?

Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.


Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?


Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.


So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.

And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.

I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.

By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .


When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.


And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!

Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.

And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.

Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.

Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.


That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?


On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.

Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.

And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.

We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.

The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.

We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.

Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.

For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.

It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.

Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.

Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.

So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?

I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a

Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.


So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.

The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church


And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.

I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?

Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.


Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?


Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.


So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.

And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.

I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.

By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .


When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.


And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!

Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.

And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.

Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.

Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.


That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?


On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.

Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.

And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.

We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.

The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.

We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.

Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.

For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.

It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.

Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.

Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.

So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?

I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a

Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.


So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.

The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church


And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.

I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?

Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.


Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?


Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.


So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.

And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.

I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.

By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .


When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.


And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!

Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.

And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.

Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.

Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.


That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?


On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.

Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.

And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.

We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.

The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.

We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.

Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.

For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.

It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.

Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.

Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.

So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?

I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a

Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.


So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.

The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church


And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.

I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?

Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.


Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?


Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.


So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.

And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.

I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.

By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .


When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.


And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .

TexaCan,

Prove the article wrong, since you a protestant heretic and know everything.

Prove the Article wrong and use history and the Bible, not taken out of context and not a literal Protestant devices that you use . . .


Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!

Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.

And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.

Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.

Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.


That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?


On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.

Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.

And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.

We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.

The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.

We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.

Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.

For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.

It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.

Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.

Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.

So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?

I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a

Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.


So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.

The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church


And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.

I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?

Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.


Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?


Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.


So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.

And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.

I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.

By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .


When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.


And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .

02/06/2007 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians . . . Call them Heretics . . .

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco

It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”

In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.

Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.

It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.

It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.



Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.

After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.

Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.

Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.

A redundancy if I've ever heard one.

Only Catholics can be true Christians.

No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.



The terms are synonymous.

Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.

Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.



It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.

Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.

A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –

What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?

Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.

To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.



Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:

It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.

No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.

The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.

Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)

Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?

Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.



In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.

And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.

The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.

With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.

This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:

A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.

He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”



Scriptures confirm this truth

My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.

“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.

“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”



It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.

Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.

Let me quote just a few verses:

“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”


It could not be clearer:

The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.

Christ establishes one Church with a single head:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).

St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:

“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).

In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:

“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).

The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”

Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.



Popes reiterate this teaching

The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.

Pius XII stated unequivocally:

“To be Christian one must be Roman.

One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).

How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?

Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.

Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.

Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).

Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.

Pope Pius IX stated:

“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).



In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,

The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).

Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.



How to fight Americanism?

Many persons ask me:

What can I do to fight Progressivism?

Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.



Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.

When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”

Stop and correct yourself.

Call him a Protestant.

It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:

Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.

It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.

It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.

The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.

Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.   
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.

Posted on February 6, 2007

Related Topics of Interest

The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm

Rose he is the greatest Protestant Heretic . . .

02/06/2007 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco

It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”

In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.

Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.

It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.

It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.



Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.

After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.

Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.

Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.

A redundancy if I've ever heard one.

Only Catholics can be true Christians.

No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.



The terms are synonymous.

Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.

Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.



It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.

Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.

A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –

What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?

Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.

To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.



Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:

It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.

No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.

The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.

Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)

Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?

Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.



In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.

And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.

The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.

With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.

This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:

A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.

He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”



Scriptures confirm this truth

My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.

“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.

“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”



It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.

Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.

Let me quote just a few verses:

“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”


It could not be clearer:

The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.

Christ establishes one Church with a single head:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).

St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:

“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).

In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:

“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).

The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”

Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.



Popes reiterate this teaching

The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.

Pius XII stated unequivocally:

“To be Christian one must be Roman.

One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).

How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?

Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.

Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.

Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).

Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.

Pope Pius IX stated:

“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).



In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,

The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).

Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.



How to fight Americanism?

Many persons ask me:

What can I do to fight Progressivism?

Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.



Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.

When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”

Stop and correct yourself.

Call him a Protestant.

It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:

Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.

It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.

It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.

The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.

Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.   
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.

Posted on February 6, 2007

Related Topics of Interest

The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm

Very sad Catholic beginnings in the early British years in the 13 Colonies.

rose42

More Protestant heretic compost. . . . dung, poo poo . . .


02/06/2007 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco

It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”

In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.

Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.

It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.

It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.



Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.

After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.

Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.

Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.

A redundancy if I've ever heard one.

Only Catholics can be true Christians.

No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.



The terms are synonymous.

Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.

Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.



It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.

Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.

A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –

What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?

Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.

To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.



Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:

It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.

No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.

The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.

Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)

Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?

Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.



In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.

And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.

The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.

With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.

This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:

A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.

He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”



Scriptures confirm this truth

My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.

“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.

“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”



It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.

Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.

Let me quote just a few verses:

“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”


It could not be clearer:

The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.

Christ establishes one Church with a single head:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).

St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:

“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).

In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:

“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).

The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”

Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.



Popes reiterate this teaching

The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.

Pius XII stated unequivocally:

“To be Christian one must be Roman.

One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).

How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?

Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.

Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.

Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).

Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.

Pope Pius IX stated:

“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).



In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,

The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).

Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.



How to fight Americanism?

Many persons ask me:

What can I do to fight Progressivism?

Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.



Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.

When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”

Stop and correct yourself.

Call him a Protestant.

It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:

Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.

It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.

It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.

The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.

Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.   
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.

Posted on February 6, 2007

Related Topics of Interest

The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm

tNotMyPrez,

Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!


Yeah, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1.987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Church oral and written historical traditions.

And then they try say, you're a new Protestant religion, that's been proven time wrong, time again.

Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.

Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.


That's a self serving religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?


On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.

Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.

And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.


tNotMyPrez, We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the Fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.


That's who you are replying into this post thread.

mwdegutis, Rose42, TexaCan and jack sequim wa, who are just 4 members, which I affectionately call them, the "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse."

The only other member you haven't met is Zemirah. They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.


I have no problem with Atheists, Agnostic or Deists, you all have Got given ("free-Will") to pick and choose you life's destiny with out God.

My Catholic faith is ever present, if you want to speak about God, the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ of His Catholic Church just ask . . .


The only thing I have to say, what happens in the end-times or imminent death ? And you're wrong ?


We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.


Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.

For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.

It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.

Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.

Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.


So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?

I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a

Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.


So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.

The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church


And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.

I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . tNotMyPrez ?

Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.


Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?


Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.


So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.

And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.

I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.

By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .


It's not my goal in life, but sometimes you bump into knuckle-heads, and in both of our cases, and you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.

The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse."

Please . . . Don’t Call Protestants . . . Christians . . . They Are Heretics

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco

It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”

In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.

Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.

It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.

It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.



Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.

After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.

Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.

Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.

A redundancy if I've ever heard one.

Only Catholics can be true Christians.

No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.



The terms are synonymous.

Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.

Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.



It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.

Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.

A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –

What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?

Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.

To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.



Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:

It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.

No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.

The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.

Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)

Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?

Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.



In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.

And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.

The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.

With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.

This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:

A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.

He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”



Scriptures confirm this truth

My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.

“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.

“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”



It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.

Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.

Let me quote just a few verses:

“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”


It could not be clearer:

The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.

Christ establishes one Church with a single head:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).

St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:

“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).

In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:

“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).

The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”

Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.



Popes reiterate this teaching

The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.

Pius XII stated unequivocally:

“To be Christian one must be Roman.

One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).

How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?

Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.

Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.

Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).

Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.

Pope Pius IX stated:

“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).



In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,

The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).

Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.



How to fight Americanism?

Many persons ask me:

What can I do to fight Progressivism?

Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.



Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.

When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”

Stop and correct yourself.

Call him a Protestant.

It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:

Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.

It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.

It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.

The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.

Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.

Posted on February 6, 2007

Related Topics of Interest

The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm