The Church Fathers found many foreshadowing or prefigurements of Mary in the Old Testament. They saw her as the woman at enmity with the serpent (Gn 3:15); the “New Eve” who will be “the mother of all the living” (Gn 3:20); “the daughter Zion” (Zec 2:14), and “the Ark of the Covenant” (Ex 40; cf. Rv 11:19). In 2 Samuel 6:9, David says: “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” In a very similar way in Luke 1:43, Elizabeth exclaims: “And how does this happen to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” David dances with joy before the ark of the Lord (2 Sm 6:14-15) just as John the Baptist leaps for joy in the womb of St. Elizabeth when Mary, carrying the child Jesus in her womb, approaches (Lk 1:41). Mary is also foreshadowed as the king’s mother in 1 Kings 2:19; as the “closed gate” of perpetual virginity in Ezekiel 44:1-2; and as the Virgin Mother of Emmanuel in Isaiah 7:14 (cf. Mt 1:23).

Your right TexaCan, there is no excuse.
I crossed that line, cracked.... Naming both Doc110 and Radiance3 "Helen Keller.. Dead, dumb and blind"
From my vantage there have been several Christians with sincere motives of serving the lord by revealing false teachings, while the other side of the discussion willingly, knowingly continue hanging on false claims "Sola and 33000" among many others.

I struggle to accept had Rose42, had Christians giving her this same evidence before she had turned from the church, her replies and exchange would have been night and day of DOC10 or Radiance3.
I would add their blatant dishonestly is not a common thread when witnessing to Jehovah witnesses, Mormons that we see are far more civil . For some reason Catholics are the most mean spirited when confronted than any of the Cults, which is common to hear from other Christian apologists.

I agree with Rose42's assessment that they are being convicted by the Holy spirit, but also see dark oppression.

When facts prove that the Vatican sacrifices babies, rapes young girls on the alter, recorded video praising Satan. these are not crazed actions of crazy men, it's pure demonic lead actions, supernatural demons working at the helm also oppressing many of the churches members.
There is an occult arm of the Catholic church within the Vatican, among it's leaders. It's not possible to involve in the occult at this level and not have Satan's presence. I believe that the widespread pedophile actions of the priest throughout the world is demonicaly lead and from the top down to priest demonic oppression leaks onto members unknowingly.
Since idols can be inhabited by demons we have to ask with the high level satanic rituals and the Catholic churches role during the tribulation, why wouldn't the thousands of idols be inhabited and oppress its members.

Enough ranting

God Bless