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Dec 11, 2018 18:15:10   #
You should also read The Catholic church did not give us the bible -

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147753-1.html
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Dec 11, 2018 18:09:55   #
Radiance3 wrote:
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The history of the Catholic Church begins with Jesus Christ and his teachings (c. 4 BC – c. AD 30)


No it doesn't. The Catholic church started in 314 AD. The early Christians weren't Catholics.

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147713-1.html
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Dec 11, 2018 17:18:45   #
tNotMyPrez wrote:
Oh Rose, analogies need to make sense - - that one certainly doesn't...

But in any case, you're a believer trying to bring some kind of reality of a non-existent creature to a non-believer - - won't work...


That is your way of avoiding answering another question. Okay.
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Dec 11, 2018 16:50:27   #
bahmer wrote:
Rose how did you get this to download? I am not that computer savvy and need some help.


If you copy and paste the link below into your browser you'll see a list of articles with Read on the left and Download on the right. If you are downloading it will be in Microsoft Word format.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060313151801/http://catholicconcerns.com/
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Dec 11, 2018 16:29:54   #
Why science does not disprove God -

http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/
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Dec 11, 2018 16:28:14   #
pafret wrote:
That exact point occurred to me when I was a child and learning the Pater Noster for the first time. Why would GOD who loves me lead me into temptation?


I don't remember thinking of it as God leading me into temptation. He doesn't tempt us but he will let us be tempted and put into situations that will test us. They way I've heard it explained is this is a plea for that not to happen - that we aren't faced with tough tests or trials. I don't remember how Catholics explain it.
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Dec 11, 2018 16:09:34   #
The Old Testament was written by God's inspired prophets, patriarchs, psalmists, judges, and kings. It was faithfully copied and preserved by Jewish scribes. Modern Protestant Bibles have the same content as the Hebrew Bible.

The New Testament was written by Christian apostles. None of them were Catholics, because there was no Roman Catholic Church at the time. This was over two centuries before Constantine's "conversion".

The early Church did not have the New Testament as we know it. Rather, individuals and local congregations had portions of it. They would have one or more of the Gospels, some of the letters which Apostles had written, and perhaps the Book of Acts or the Book of Revelation.

Why weren't all of these books collected in one place? Look at what the books themselves say. Individual apostles wrote them for specific audiences. For example, the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts were written for Theophilus. (Luke 1:3; Acts 1:1) Most of the Epistles were written to specific churches or to specific individuals. (Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 2 Corinthians 1:1; Galatians 1:2; Ephesians 1:1; Philippians 1:1; Colossians 1:2; 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:1; 1 Timothy 1:2; 2 Timothy 1:2; Titus 1:4; Philemon 1:1; 3 John 1:1)

The early Christians expected that Jesus would return for His Church at any moment. As a result, they didn't see the need for long-term planning for future generations. Furthermore, Christians were persecuted by the Romans. When your life is in constant danger, it is difficult to collect writings which are scattered all over the Roman Empire. So it took time to collect all of these writings, decide which ones were authoritative Scripture, and make complete sets of them.

By the time of Origen (185-254 A.D.), there was general agreement about most of the New Testament. However, there was disagreement as to whether the following six epistles should be part of the New Testament canon: Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, and Jude. This was sixty years before Constantine's "conversion" and the formation of the Roman Catholic Church in 314 A.D. By 367 A.D., all of the books of the New Testament were acknowledged as being authoritative Scripture. [Note 17]

The canon of the New Testament was not formed by the decision of any Church council. Rather, the Council of Carthage (397 A.D.) listed as canonical "only those books that were generally regarded by the consensus of use as properly a canon". [Note 18] In other words, it didn't create the canon. Rather, it formally identified the canon that already existed.

So the Catholic Church did not give us the Bible. However, it did help confirm the authenticity of six New Testament epistles. Also, Catholic monks faithfully preserved the Bible by copying it.

The Catholic Church changed the Bible. In 1548, at the Council of Trent, it added the Apocrypha to the Bible. The apocryphal books contain passages which are used to justify some Catholic doctrines, such as praying for the dead. The Apocrypha are discussed in Appendix B.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060404054301/http://www.catholicconcerns.com:80/Rome.html
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Dec 11, 2018 15:42:14   #
Doc110 wrote:
rose42,

Oh Please, . . . stop with the Sola Scriptura man-Made crap compost.

You have a false Man-Made Protestant doctrine . . .

Sola Scriptura can't be found in the Bible.

It's a Man-Made protestant invention with out any legs, teeth of scriptural passages.

You doing the Straw-Man fallacy argument again.

The Bereans Protestant faith is a dead Protestant religion.

Its the Bible, Church Traditions and Oral traditions that we are to follow.

You seem to have a mental block on those biblical passages.


To be deep in the Bible and in Church history, is to cease being Protestant.
Convert to Catholicism, Cardinal Henry Newman

Doc110
rose42, br br Oh Please, . . . stop with the Sol... (show quote)


Cardinal Newman made a rather silly and ignorant statement for it wasn't the Catholics who were there at the beginning...it was the Christians.

The protestants have no man made doctrine like the Catholic church. They use the bible. That's all we need - as God told us that was all we need.
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Dec 11, 2018 15:39:30   #
moldyoldy wrote:
Trump is too stupid to realize what he is doing, but his actions are dismantling norms and destabilizing things around the world for the benefit of Putin


Is he stupid? Can somebody who's stupid really be the president? Is he really doing all this for Putin? Would someone with an oversized ego really do that?
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Dec 11, 2018 15:36:33   #
Doc110 wrote:
Rose42,

Read the Article, it will answer all you're doubts.

This is the best exhaustive article and explanation of the Catholic Church by a lay writer.

Why does God work through men and women ?

If you had red the article on the Trinity then you would know.


The Catholic Church moves slowly, it is a large river and is is shallow on the edges, but deep and swifter in the center.

Read the article rose42, learn something new . . .

Doc 110.


I did read it Doc. It goes completely against God's word and is another fabrication of the Catholic church.

This statement is totally invalid - "So, why did the Church wait so long to define the Marian dogmas?

For the same reason it took centuries to create the canon of the Bible and define the dogma of the Trinity at the First Council of Constantinople: "

Why is that statement not valid? Because the writer is trying to compare God's word with man's word. There is no comparison. The author failed completely in providing any biblical evidence because there is none. That itself invalidates the idea of praying to Mary.

Did God lie to us in His word with this -
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 1 Tim 2:5

What good is it to do mental gymnastics when the truth is so exquisitely simple? There is no co-mediatrix mentioned, nothing. Do you realize that when you do pray to Mary you are demeaning Christ and what He did for us? You demean His love and infinite mercy?
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Dec 11, 2018 15:21:29   #
pafret wrote:
Unfortunately Bahmer, you have essentially decided that you will not listen to or consider any information that there may be any truth other than what you currently believe. Citing a multitude of fellow heretics does not gain access to truth, only rational consideration of the arguments will do that. A closed mind is a total waste.


The source of information should be the bible. If one is presented with an argument or doctrine then we have to search the scriptures to see what is true - like the Bereans did. That is what led to me leaving Catholicism. The bible was and is my truth.
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Dec 11, 2018 14:34:17   #
Why are these to be complicated teachings? Christ's teachings were beautifully simple. They can't explain why it took so long for this to be revealed. The bible gives a warning to not add to it. It's pretty clear.
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Dec 11, 2018 14:11:31   #
How could a perfect and all knowing God neglect to put any of that in the bible?

Why are popes taking so long to come out with it if it could have benefited people centuries ago? Its not logical.
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Dec 11, 2018 13:37:13   #
tNotMyPrez wrote:
OMGosh Rose, now Satan proves Satan or lack of Satan proves Satan ???


Neither. It was a pretty straightforward question. It's analogous to a burglar not wanting to be discovered so he can get away with more.
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Dec 11, 2018 13:35:05   #
moldyoldy wrote:
Trump is helping putin to destroy the US and destroy all other alliances in the west, along with our economy. You are so blinded to it by your worship of trump.


You really think Trump wants to destroy the US? I don't care for him but its a huge leap to say he wants it destroyed.
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