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Dec 8, 2013 19:05:10   #
jonhatfield wrote:
Actually I am quite simple-minded, now that you suggest that--a degree of Aspergers. You just couldn't resist that jibe, huh? Just as you insist I'm a left leaner and no doubt worse, defending Obama & his gang. Quite obsessed with that person, huh?

I don't see politics in terms of persons. As a matter of fact I was for Hillary Clinton in 1908 and considered v****g for McCain because I thought Obama was weak on geopolitical issues. In the end v**ed on domestic issues because McCain seemed inclined to careless geopolitical action--not too happy with either choice.

My actual political obsession is the danger of extremism of right and left. I suppose instead of calling out the OPP rightwingnut club I should leave y'all to your own undoing in your fantasy land of negatives and get on with the positives in my own life. It has been an interesting revisit to extremisms I observed firsthand at U-W grad school fall 1960-spring 62 except that was mostly extreme leftisms of young and this time extreme rightisms of mostly old geezers (we're the only ones who have time for internet postings--ha). Very interesting details both times--and both times awareness of moderates and extremes involved, and I did call out one key extreme left student group resulting in their being disaffiliated by the national organization. I don't think my calling out rightwingnutisms this time has changed anyone, although I intend to communicate with my GOP Congressman about the danger of the extreme right and with Rep. Ryan.
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I did not know Clinton was running in 1908; I thought that it was Taff and Bryan. Did you v**e for Bryan because of his proposal to socialize the railroads? Hmmm, he lost because of that misstep, I believe. But, because you were there perhaps you could enlighten us on the bitterness of that campaign.
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Dec 8, 2013 18:45:29   #
DennisDee wrote:
Carter said he saw a UFO in Georgia


Really, that is too cool. Recently I started watching H2, there is a program on ancient aliens that is very thought provoking. My rational mind is having problems with it, but my irrational side makes me research what they claim. So, President Carter too. How interesting!
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Dec 8, 2013 17:56:11   #
quasimoto63 wrote:
Wasn't that Jimmy Carter? Or was he attacked by a wild beaver or something rowing on a lake? As for a UFO--the U stands for "unidentified," it doesn't mean X-Files type aliens.


No, it was President and First Lady Regan. Here is an interesting article for your reading enjoyment: http://www.p**********lufo.com/ronald-reagan/204-ronald-reagans-ufo-sightings
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Dec 8, 2013 17:54:13   #
Richard94611 wrote:
From your posts, I am most definitely qualified to judge what you believe. You're a nitwit, a rightwing-nut.


You are entitled to your thoughts and opinions. I too have my opinions of you, but I came about them on a limited basis of what you have written on this forum. I am sure, beyond a doubt that there is more to your personality and character than is represented in isolated swaths of beliefs.
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Dec 8, 2013 17:50:38   #
AuntiE wrote:
Secularism is indifference and/or rejection of religion or religious values. He has clearly stated he does not follow the tenets of Judaism or the Bible, etc. It is a Libertarian who "would insist these are personal matters and laws should never be made..."


Thank you! :thumbup: :thumbup: :XD: :XD:
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Dec 8, 2013 17:47:34   #
quasimoto63 wrote:
Yes, yes, yes. I concede that point. All of them, in fact. Canning the air traffic controllers made me proud at the time. But Ronald Reagan, if nothing else, was a creature of Hollywood, and, as such became one of California's more liberal governors in the 1960s. The Great Man was not without flaws.


No one is without fault. We are human and we do the best we know how each and every day. I do not say that he was perfect, far from it. He is the President that saw flying saucers for goodness sakes and Nancy had a medium..... But, he did bring a feeling of optimisms and laughter to our nation which was in dire need after the doom and gloom of his predisessors.
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Dec 8, 2013 17:39:53   #
Richard94611 wrote:
All the parts ? You must be joking. I bet that about 99.9 percent of the people who know anything about apartheid would disagree with you. The radical rightists on this forum would not, but they are not grounded in reality. You're on the wrong sided of history, Ginny. Rarely has their ever been a statesman with the spiritual values Mendela possessed. But you wouldn't understand that.


When people die they are often eulogized as supernatural in their benevolence, which often does not meet with reality. It matters not whether you agree with me or not, if you research him and what he encouraged you may see a different side. Also, you are not qualified to proclaim what I do or do not understand.
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Dec 8, 2013 17:32:12   #
quasimoto63 wrote:
He said that to Walter Mondale in 1984--and it was great. For once in a decade, we were proud to be Americans. Reagan, though, was a politician, so he might've said a lot of good things, he didn't actually DO a lot of good things. R.I.P. Reagan.


I can name 10 right off the top of my head, how many can you name for Obama?

1. Ending the Cold War: The Cold War had raged since World War II and c*******m‘s quest for world domination remained an existential threat to the United States when President Reagan took office. Reagan reversed the policy of detente and stood firm against the Soviet Union, calling it the Evil Empire and telling Mikhail Gorbachev to “tear down this wall” in Berlin. He was relentless in pushing his Strategic Defense Initiative and gave aid to rebels battling Soviet-backed Marxists from Nicaragua to Angola. Those efforts were critical in the ultimate collapse of the Soviet empire and essentially ended the Cold War.

2. Reaganomics: Reagan’s mix of across-the-board tax cuts, deregulation, and domestic spending restraint helped fuel an economic boom that lasted two decades. Reagan inherited a misery index (the sum of the inflation and unemployment rates) of 19.99%, and when he left office it had dropped to 9.72%. President Obama take note: Under Reaganomics, 16 million new jobs were created.

3. Revitalizing the GOP and the conservative movement: The Republican Party was at its nadir after Watergate, but Reagan was able to form a winning coalition of fiscal conservatives, family-values v**ers, blue-collar Reagan Democrats and neo-conservative intellectuals and set the stage for future GOP e*******l gains. His free-market, small-government, pro-liberty conservatism helped to revitalize the GOP and his influence resonates today as conservative candidates still invoke Reagan as their standard-bearer.

4. Peace through Strength: The military was diminished during the Carter years, but Reagan reversed that by rebuilding the armed forces. His Peace Through Strength philosophy was manifested by his reviving the B-1 bomber that Carter canceled, starting production of the MX missile, and pushing NATO to deploy Pershing missiles in West Germany. He increased defense spending by more than 40%, increased troop levels, and even got much-needed space parts into the pipeline. Those efforts ensured that America remained a military superpower.

5. Morning in America: It was basically a slogan for Reagan’s 1984 ree******n bid, but Morning in America symbolized a new beginning for the country. Reagan’s jaunty optimism and an economic boom was a much-needed tonic for a country that had experienced the malaise of the Carter years and the traumas of Watergate and Vietnam.

6. Star Wars: Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative was derided by his opponents as being technologically unfeasible, but the mere threat of the U.S. building the system was instrumental in the Soviet Union’s collapse. The successful use of Patriot missile batteries in the first Gulf War proved the critics wrong, and the missile defense system that ensued has lessened the threat of ballistic missiles.

7. Nuclear weapons cuts: Even as massive demonstrations were held in Europe against Reagan’s hawkish stance on nuclear arms, the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty he signed with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev eliminated an entire class of nuclear weapons. He also laid the framework with Gorbachev for the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), which reduced both countries’ arsenals of nuclear weapons.

8. Voiced values: Reagan gave voice to the values that had served America well—thrift, patriotism, and hard work—and often recounted the wisdom of the Founding Fathers. He also championed the causes of the pro-life and family-values movements that sought to counter the societal upheavals of the 1960s and 1970s.

9. Tax reform: Not only did he cut tax rates, but the Tax Reform Act of 1986 simplified the income-tax code by eliminating many tax shelters, reducing the number of deductions and tax brackets. Reagan’s dream of tax returns fitting on a postcard has been nullified as Congress has regressed and continued to make the tax code more complex, necessitating a new push for reform.

10. Taking on PATCO: Early in his administration, members of the federal air traffic controllers union (PATCO) went on strike, violating a federal regulation. Declaring the strike a “peril to national safety,” Reagan gave the workers an ultimatum and ended up firing more than 11,000 of the controllers, sending a strong signal that union workers needn’t be coddled.
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Dec 8, 2013 17:26:47   #
AuntiE wrote:
Basically he is a secularist.


Then as such, I find it difficult that a Liberal system would not fit.... it seems that many laws are now written to force compliance to birth control, recognition of gays in the military, a******n...... A true secularist would insist that these are personal matters and laws should never be made to force a person(s) into acceptance of such restrictions.

Please, AuntiE, educate me because I need guidance.
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Dec 8, 2013 17:21:45   #
Brian Devon wrote:
Fair enough. I plead guilty...you found me out!


To whom are you replying? Please use the quote reply button.
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Dec 8, 2013 17:20:57   #
Brian Devon wrote:
That's wise. I don't discuss ANYONE'S bedroom activities with them. Its not really any of my business.


I have on occasion. If a woman of my family comes to ask a question or is having problems and needs to have an adult or another woman to talk with, then I will discuss the issue. I did have the conversation with both my sons, before they became sexually active. Something that I think all parents are obligated to do as part of education. My mother and father had the discussion with me, so if the subject of sex is presented; it is not an embarrassment, it is a fact of life and should be dealt with as such. Having said that, I do not actively go out and ask people what their sexual proclivities. Their preferences have never been a precursor to friendship or acquaintanceship.
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Dec 8, 2013 17:06:20   #
Brian Devon wrote:
Shalom back to you. I'm curious though, where did you acquire your homophobia? Most American Jews, like their non-Jewish neighbors are in favor of gay marriage. They're insightful enough to realize someone else's choices don't put their family life at risk. What did your parents do to you? Just curious.


I am not h********c.

"[A man] shall not lie with another man as [he would] with a woman, it is a to'eva" (Leviticus 18:22).

The term to'eva is usually t***slated as "a*********n". However, because the word is used twice in regards to homosexuality, its second use has been understood by the Talmud to be a contraction of the words to'eh hu va, meaning "He is deviating from what is natural." (literally "He is wandering with it [from the natural way of the world]" since the Hebrew word to'e means "He is wandering", va "with it").

But, because you are not orthodoxy or hold any reverence to the Bible or Torah, this would not make sense to you. I just view a sexual relationship between same sex as unnatural. I do not h**e a person who is homosexual, I do not exclude them from friendship, I just do not discuss their bedroom activities with them.
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Dec 8, 2013 16:55:32   #
Brian Devon wrote:
Another Jewish perspective. I am from a reform Jewish background. I have never been in an orthodox synagogue.
The Torah and the Talmud are pretty much Greek to me. I'm not really much of a fan of ancient "holy" books, whether the Old Testament, New Testament or the Koran. I feel that they divide people and over-emphasize our differences. BTW, I am married to an extremely kind non-Jewish woman of German and Irish extraction

I can tell you this, however. Most American Jews have ancestors that fled vicious persecution and violence in Europe. We pretty much knew that our best chance to be included in this society is to bet on the party of inclusiveness...the Democratic party. The exclusionists...the Republican party's appeal? Not so much.
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I respect the differences. My father, and his father.... were Rabbis, I was taught Orthodox, I was tutored in languages of the Bible (Hebrew, Greek, and some long dead languages) before I went to first grade. Indeed, I found I had abilities and would often help my Papa in t***slations. Unlike you, I found reading the Torah, and the Talmud gave me insights into current philosophies and an understanding of culture. My father put me in public schools so I could learn from nonJews (we never called them by any other names) and later I went to a private school, on to a finishing school in England, and wound up attending University. I spent a summer in a Kibbutz when I was 16. So, I would say that I have a fairly good background in understanding my people. On a side note, my paternal people came to the US in the 1700s, whereas my maternal side came as escapees from Germany in the 30s. They, maternal side, went through the waiting processes, although they had an advantage of speaking English upon arrival, they endured grief before they became citizens. I still have the photographs of the day they took the vow. Proud as punch!
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Dec 8, 2013 16:29:23   #
UncleJesse wrote:
He was such an excellent speaker. The Great Communicator. He could sell sand to an Arab and had such great smile, eye twinkle and a confident air about him that made folks listen to what he was saying. "Well now, there you go again."


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Dec 8, 2013 16:22:47   #
alex wrote:
nope! I am a fan of yours, and phil sounds like he will fit in the same category as you it's just that so many of the Jews are democrats and I have never been able to figure out why since the democrats side with the Arabs where Israel is concerned there are four groups that puzzle me as to why they are democrats they are Jews,b****s Christians, and retired military because the democrat dogma is in direct opposition to the best interests of all four groups


Jews, or at least the flavor of my family, is Orthadox. That means that tradition is very important, the heart of most of the things we do and think. In the old days, Democrats were forward thinking and they sided with Jews. Needless to say that endeared them to the Jewish people. Now, I am not sure that you know this and I am not bragging it is just statistics, but 99 percent of Jews have college degrees. That is supposed to make them smarter (but, as we know, book learning is not everything) so they have two things going against changing their political affiliations. One, they are bound in tradition. My father's father's father's.......did, therefore I do. Then there is the "progressive thinking" pounded into heads at Colleges/Universities. But, to be totally honest the politics that is looked at more is those in Israel. The US has our loyalty, earned our respect, and love. But, because that area of the world is so venerable (Israel sits between hostile nations) their plight is always centered in our minds. Therefore what is good for Israel is the pushing point for our elders. I hope this makes sense to you, because I was a stubborn soul who believed that God gave me free will and therefore a need and right to think for myself. This drove my father to often shake his head and walk away. :roll: :roll:
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