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Dec 9, 2013 17:49:46   #
jonhatfield wrote:
How would you know, Nanny to us all, since I had you particularly in mind for bigotry, which is a total betrayal of your religion.

By the way, congratulations. I see you have given up the pretense of Southern polite ladyness.


I figured your bastardization of my name was an obvious joke, I would joke with you. Do you not enjoy the joke?

What would you know of my religion? Are you a member of Obama's NSA where you are spying on my personal life?

Speaking of spying, is this really a photo of your last visit to the zoo?


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Dec 9, 2013 17:27:00   #
bmac32 wrote:
Liberals have a poor attitude when it comes to Christianity. I see nothing in the bible that would lead someone to believe he was a liberal person.


Well, you know a picture is better than 1,000 words.


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Dec 9, 2013 16:23:44   #
jonhatfield wrote:
Fact remains, Mac, that most of the rightwing extremists posting on OPP sites are decidedly unChristian in attitude, words, falsification, even outright bigotry.


And the fact remains, H**E-FILLED, that most Liberals, bleeding hearts posting on OPP site are decidedly Unchristian in attitude, words, falsification, even outright bigotry. And, you are at the top of that list! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
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Dec 9, 2013 16:20:49   #
bmac32 wrote:
Is Jesus Liberal or Conservative?
Posted on September 29, 2013 by Cylar

“Jesus: The Original Liberal” said the bumper sticker. “Jesus was a liberal!” screamed another. Liberals love to claim Jesus Christ of Nazareth thinks the way they do, when the opposite is true. (They even have their own website claiming it, apparently…)

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Modern Western Civilization is largely divided between two competing and diametrically opposed worldviews: the Secular Progressive (the SP’s) and the Judeo-Christian (the JC’s). With some exceptions, most modern liberals conform to the former; modern conservatives to the latter. There are many significant differences in philosophy between the two, but here are some of the most important:

SP’s believe man is naturally and inherently good. JC’s, by contrast, hold that man is naturally evil and corrupted.
SP’s believe that man is perfectible through social reform: it is just a matter of finding the right form of government and the right person/people to lead it. JC’s believe that human nature is fallen and not perfectible without outside intervention.
SP’s believe that man is the center of the universe and subject to no higher code than his own whims; JC’s believe that God is the center of the universe and that mankind is accountable to Him.

No Thanks I'm a Liberal

Let’s try to remember – history’s most murderous regimes were officially atheist: the USSR, Maoist China, N**i Germany, the Khmer Rouge’s Cambodia, etc. Such regimes saw no moral problem with slaughtering those who did not conform to their vision of utopia. And slaughter they did – by the millions. None of them espoused views that were in any way compatible with conservatism. They were socialist – in other words, l*****t. Like modern l*****ts, they adopted gun control and dozens of other policies today’s liberals support. And yet the modern Left wishes to claim Christ as its forebear?

What is very ironic is that most of those who sling the “Jesus is a liberal” slogan probably don’t even believe in God, much less in the divinity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Rather, this statement is used as a club to attempt to shame Christian conservatives into silence, especially on the social issues of our time. The thinking goes that liberals are closer to the example Jesus set, simply because they favor more income redistribution (“welfare”) by the government. Their specious logic tells them that they are more compassionate than are conservatives, simply because the latter believe that charity for the downtrodden should:


Come from private rather than public sources
Be accompanied by a plan to return recipients to a productive role whenever possible.

Liberals foolishly believe themselves to be more like Jesus, because they just love love love everyone as Jesus did – conveniently forgetting that Christ also demanded personal responsibility and moral accountability, as conservatives do today. As an example, let’s look at liberals’ favorite Biblical quote:

John 8 (NIV)

8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

See? Jesus loves, yes, but He also requires a certain standard of behavior. It’s got nothing to do with this “Be whomever you want to be – God loves you!” stuff we hear from liberals today.

Later in the New Testament (2 Thessalonians 3:6-12), the Apostle Paul builds on this by requiring a work ethic, something else favored by more conservatives than liberals. Liberals use federal public assistance to subsidize sloth and shiftlessness. Any conservative who suggests we ought to take another look at that is called heartless…and his Christian credentials are questioned, if he claims to be one.

The problem is that the teachings of Christ (and the Apostles) are not at all consistent with modern liberal prescriptions.

Here’s the core issue: Liberals think Jesus would have favored government’s forcible income redistribution programs, when He really meant private voluntary charity. When Jesus exhorted His followers to help the poor, He did not say, “Advocate for government to confiscate the possessions of others and give that money to the underprivileged.” Rather, He said, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” (Matthew 19:21, emphasis added) Do you see any impetus for that among modern liberals, or is it conservatives you find giving of their time and money?

Liberals do not understand this simple distinction – that voluntary charity is a completely different ball of wax from the government’s involuntary welfare state. Charity or compassion, funded by taxes taken forcibly from an income earner, has no soul. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the sort of giving which Jesus preached to His disciples. Read it for yourself:

Luke 19:8-10 (NIV):

8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have c***ted anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

If a taxpayer wished to voluntarily help the poor and downtrodden, that person should be able to contribute his excess wealth to private charitable organizations set up for this purpose, instead of acting through the government. This is better in two ways: first, private organizations tend to be more efficient at servicing the needy than are government entities, which means that more of the dollars given will reach the intended destination. Second, and more importantly, this provides the taxpayer with a means of helping the poor, without forcibly imposing the same burden on other taxpayers who would not have voluntarily made the same financial choices. Honestly – would you prefer that the IRS just help itself to your paycheck and use the proceeds to fund food stamp programs, or would you rather write a check directly to the Salvation Army when you want to, and for the amount you can afford?

But what of the notion that Jesus might have been liberal in other ways? This view is also not correct. Let us first define our terms: ‘Liberal,’ according to Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, means “not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms.” ‘Conservative,’ by contrast, is defined as “tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions.”

We can safely interpret this to mean that liberals generally are the ones who bring about political and social change, whereas conservatives tend to oppose such changes to existing rules and norms. In common use of the terms, however, liberals generally favor more wealth redistribution programs, while conservatives favor less – that is, limiting public assistance to the *truly* needy. (We now have one out of every seven Americans on food stamps, with about half of all households receiving federal t***sfer payments of some kind. The Left insists that it’s still not enough.)

The fact of the matter is that Jesus, contrary to popular belief, was not liberal but rather, conservative. It is those who opposed Him, such as the Pharisees, who were the liberals of first-century Judea.

Why is this the case? For one, Jesus said as much Himself: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” (Matthew 5:17) A common misconception about Jesus is that He represented some kind of massive sea change in social norms or in the way man relates to God. In fact, nothing could be further from the t***h. Far from being an agent of reinvention, Christ was the missing puzzle piece of an existing picture. He was the key which unlocked the secret of man’s relationship to God, and with it, the gates of Heaven. He completed the Jewish faith by fulfilling the fortellings of its prophets (by appearing exactly when, where, and how, all predicted millennia earlier), and by providing the final and perfect sacrifice which could remedy man’s sinful nature for all time. A rift had existed between man and God ever since that unfortunate incident in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:1-24); Christ, however, died on a wooden cross and then rose again on the third day, which rectified the situation for all who would accept the gift. (Romans 5:12-19) The old ways of temple priests and animal sacrifices, valid at one time, were now no longer necessary.

By contrast, the Pharisees and teachers of the law of Jesus’ time were the liberals. They were the ones who had brought about change in God’s people by perverting the Law which God gave to Moses, while still remaining in a position of leadership as Jewish religious authorities. The Pharisees had become corrupt and powerful over the years, adding oral traditions to the Law, which God had not authorized, and honoring the letter of the Law while ignoring its spirit. Jesus referred to them as “snakes and sons of snakes,” then further called them on their hypocrisy by stating that they “…clean the outside of the cup and dish, but on the inside, are full of greed and self-indulgence.” (Matthew 23:25-28, Matthew 21:12-13.) The Pharisees clearly were the liberal ones, having heard the Word of God and turned away from it long before.

Jesus came to Earth to, among other reasons, explain to God’s people where mankind had gotten off-track, (John 4:1-26) and much of the rest of the New Testament elaborates on this point. Throughout His teachings, Christ tells us that it is pointless to hew to the letter of God’s laws, but in the process lack love and voluntary compassion toward one’s fellow man. Jesus came to remind humanity of the t***h that God did not hand down the Mosaic Law (Exodus 34:1-8) simply for His people to turn right around and treat their brethren with arrogance and disrespect as the Pharisees were doing. It was the Jewish leaders of the day who were the liberals; they were the ones who had changed the Jewish faith into something it was never intended to be. (Matthew 12:1-12)

Besides, what part of the modern liberal agenda is in harmony with Christ’s teachings? A******n? Euthanasia and assisted suicide? Darwinism: the idea that man is not God’s special and unique creation, but rather just a glorified ape arising from a primordial soup of muck through random chance? Affirmative action in employment and education based on race and g****r, rather than character and merit? The rejection of traditional marriage as a social institution? Central economic planning? Moral relativism: the rejection of an objective moral code that applies at all times to all people in all places?

Which of these liberal notions is consistent in any way with Christ’s teachings or with any other part of the Bible? On the contrary, all of Scripture, including the message of Christ, would appear to side with conservatives in opposing each of these liberal crusades.

An honest and objective review of the Old and New Testaments forces a person to one inescapable conclusion. Namely, that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is not liberal, but in fact, conservative.

http://www.rottenchestnuts.com/is-jesus-liberal-or-conservative/
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Dec 9, 2013 16:15:05   #
catpaw wrote:
Question is did they accept gov't assistance out of choice or because they didn't have one?
"Now may be the time to find a better way to meet their needs." But first, let's take what meager means of subsistence they have and make them really suffer. Now, that makes sense.
You want parasite "takers" and "debt drivers" and do-nothings on the gov't tit? Check into the corporate subsidies you tax dollars are paying for. You know, the "job creators" who are going to trickle down on everybody. You may find out you're b***hing at the wrong people. But then, they have lobbyistst with l**t to buy congressmen. Poor people don't.
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Dec 9, 2013 16:15:05   #
catpaw wrote:
Question is did they accept gov't assistance out of choice or because they didn't have one?
"Now may be the time to find a better way to meet their needs." But first, let's take what meager means of subsistence they have and make them really suffer. Now, that makes sense.
You want parasite "takers" and "debt drivers" and do-nothings on the gov't tit? Check into the corporate subsidies you tax dollars are paying for. You know, the "job creators" who are going to trickle down on everybody. You may find out you're b***hing at the wrong people. But then, they have lobbyistst with l**t to buy congressmen. Poor people don't.
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Dec 9, 2013 16:13:27   #
jay-are wrote:
The concept that things are being taken away from the poor is based on the premise that they had the things in the first place. That is a false premise.

The article says people will be kicked out of "their" homes. That is a lie. They don't own the homes. No body is taking anything away from them that belongs to them. People should be motivated to own their own homes in order to avoid being at the mercy of the true owner of the home. Who forced them to take a deal that included rental assistance? Nobody. They chose to rent and to take government assistance. They chose to put themselves at the mercy of the home owners and the government. Now may be the time to find a better way to meet their needs. This way will not work anymore for some. This is no different than makers of buggy whips having to find new jobs when the automobile began being mass produced. Ford motor company did not take away their houses or food.
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Dec 9, 2013 13:17:53   #
rumitoid wrote:
Congress sticks it to the poor every which way they can, literally taking the food out of the mouths of babies and disabled seniors. See link below for the gruesome details. (Of course, some here will be just tickled about this.)


http://news.yahoo.com/stick-poor-congressional-strategy-080500785.html


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Dec 9, 2013 12:59:00   #
Brian Devon wrote:
No president has ever been squeaky clean. No human beings are squeaky clean. Squeaky clean is mostly found in Disney fairy tales. President Obama, like ALL politicians has told a few fibs and like all politicians has made proposals that didn't turn out so well. That being said, he is, for the most part a very gracious, highly informed person who is fairly unflappable and slow to anger. Aren't these truly the things we need in our nation's leader? FYI there are certain things conservatives definitely should not worry about like...a third term. The president, highly schooled in constitutional law, is very aware of the ban on serving more than two terms. The other thing you conservatives should worry yourselves about is impeachment. Number of presidents impeached AND convicted is zero...its not going to happen which is why the MSM barely gives this story the time of day.
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A fib, a childish lie.
Lie: 1. to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression

I submit the following, and you decide, were these simply fibs as a child or a lie from an adult?

1.) Selma Got Me Born – Obama was born in 1961, Selma was 1975.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder – Obama’s father was privileged, well-educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – Review the government of Kenya while Obama’s father was involved. You will find that it was one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – Obama’s cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a l********e e******n in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – In an interview with New York Time, she is quoted “I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith.”

6.) My Name is African Swahili – No, actually it is Arabic 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam – According to roommates, Obama practiced it daily at school, where you were he was registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years changing only after he decided to run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian – Perhaps a close look at Obama’s book can shed light. He said that he got into trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces.

9.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – And when did he at the age of 6 or even when he left at age 8 gain foreign experience? Especially when his teachers said he did not learn the language?

10.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion – Could be, but his classmates said that he never discussed any ethnic confusion, did not speak about Kenya or family struggles.

11.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - Ebony has yet to find the article he mentioned in his book.

12.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - Life has yet to find the article he mention in his book.

13.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 – I guess this one stands alone.

14.) I Was A Professor Of Law – He was a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

15.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill – He did not write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

16.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass – It took only 14 days from start to finish.

17.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - His bill was rejected by his own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

18.) I Have Released My State Records - As of March, 2008, state bills he sponsored or v**ed for had yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

19.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess – He was part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens.

20.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - His 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even HE v**ed against the bill.

21.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - The Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation his campaign had with them.

22.) I Am Tough On Terrorism – He missed the Iran Resolution v**e on terrorism and his good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel

23.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - After the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how Obama and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

23.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - He passed 26, most of which he did not write.

24.) I don't Have lobbyists – He had over 47 lobbyists.

25.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate – Does one bill for Africa count as “bills?”

26.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail – Both companies Obama sited have no record of correspondence from Obama regarding the conflict.

27.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone – Most Americans were wearing F**gs pins when he made this statement. And did he just forget to put his hand over his heart during the playing of the Anthem. How about the Cuban F**g on display in Obama’s campaign office. Did you know that he v**ed against making English the official language of the US? But, he v**ed for giving i*****l a***ns Social Security benefits….. and this is just a sample.

28.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About P***e In Country – No comment!

29.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support – Perhaps not, but his wife received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

And these were the ones during his campaigning. For more, go to http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/tim-brown/252-examples-of-obamas-lying-lawbreaking-corruption/ where you can read both the claim and documentation behind 252 well documents falsehoods, law-breaking, and corruption. And this article does not address the most recent, if you like your insurance....doctor; nor his living with a relative whom he said he never met.

You further state that he is highly informed, I often wonder if he can do more than "iiiiiiii" without a teleprompter. As for as anger, just google anger and Obama, or go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWhkgRBMzWQ and take your pick. It would seem that he does show anger, unless in your home kicking door is a playful act..it is not in mine, but perhaps acceptable for Obama.
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Dec 9, 2013 10:14:52   #
lpnmajor wrote:
In Monty Pythons "holy grail", there were knights who said that.


Sorry, I can not help you.
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Dec 9, 2013 04:14:23   #
Mr.C wrote:
Please tell me what's Ne


Depends, could be Nebraska (official abbreviation)
On the periodic table it is Neon
It is also a blue chip stock
An abbreviation for Nehemiah (book of the Bible)
Could stand for North-East

You have to tell me the context it is used. The above are only samplings off the top of my head.
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Dec 8, 2013 23:00:59   #
risingeagle wrote:
No, ginnyt, but thank you for asking. I was just keeping people informed. I am a reader of breaking news and comments. It keeps me eye on what people are talking about. I am concerned about what is t***spiring today. I*****l i*********n, Muslim terrorists in the US, excessive expenditures of the feds, indoctrination through common core, stand down orders in the military, those are just a few things I watch.


I too am concerned. Your comments had me confused, I was expecting the "news" or "opinion" instead of a word or two.
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Dec 8, 2013 22:58:35   #
jonhatfield wrote:
The GOP nomination was between conservative Taft and moderate Eisenhower, NannyT. The issue Taft posed was in terms of Constitutional principle like some of the rightwing focus on Constitutional principles today. Sen. Taft's father was not only President but later Supreme Court Chief Justice, so I was quite impressed with Taft's insistence on the trials having been violation of the ex post facto law principle. I was, by the way, as fanatic against Truman as rightwingnuts are against Obama. I recall being reprimanded by my 8th grade teacher for remarks I made about Truman. Later I realized he was one of the great Presidents. I was one of 2 fanatic McCarthyites in high school (in Tenn., not Wisconsin...just coincidence I now live half an hour from his home town) and didn't realize he was an extremist who exaggerated until 4 or 5 years later.No, it never crossed my mind until later that the war crimes trials were necessary--I was blinded by references to Constitutional principle. I wish you and the club could see how blinded to ordinary realities one becomes when obsession with absolutes and negatives. I learned it the hard way.
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My name is not Nanny. I am not offended by your inability to be polite and use my name or just reply without, just so you know. Now then, regarding your comments. Frankly I do not care about you, where you lived, or what you did.
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Dec 8, 2013 22:49:15   #
risingeagle wrote:
General thread


Do you want to create a topic or a thread on this subject? If so, look at the top of your page,, click on "create new topic" this will allow you to put the title, and provide your information. For example: Bengasi. Then supply your question, for example: you can add a link with a brief description of the contents of the link. Or you can provide your views on Bengasi. If you need further help, click on the "Help" button and you can follow the steps provide. If I can be of help, send me a PM and I will try to walk you through the complete process.

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Dec 8, 2013 22:40:00   #
risingeagle wrote:
More information on wnd, concerning seal team 6.


Are you asking for information? To whom are you speaking? If you would, use the quote reply button so we can follow the thread. Thank you!
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