JRuss,

Re-read the article again especially on the Protoevangellium of James and Mathew 23:35 and the Greek traditions of Zacharias and the Jewish priestly duties and the (course of Abias) and the second (course of Jojarib the second week of the Jewish month of Tishri in the day of atonement.
That day would be from September 22 to October 8th.

Elizabeth conceived immediately after Zacharias served his second (Jorarib course or the course of Abias)

Nehemiah 12:17 and the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans and the protoevangelliun A.D. 145 writings of James apocryphal gospel expand backward to Mathews and Luke infancy stories and associates Zacharias at the Jewish month of Tishri at the end of September confirming the 40 week gestation period and the birth of John the Baptist.

So then that confirms the birth of Jesus and the death of Jesus in March, or April due to the Julian calander and the Gregorian calendar. The Catholic Church also uses the Jewish lunar calander to confirm the Catholic Holy Easter year for the resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Re-read the Article again and concentrate on footnotes and the Zacharias accounts of the birth and gestation of John the

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Blade Runner,

Did you read the article ?

Here is the problem (Commonly Alleged) objections, re-look at 1, 2, and 3 again.

a. Roman Pagan festival of Saturnalla
b. Roman holiday of Natalis Solis Invicti Unconquered Son.
c. The latitude of Bethlehem 31.7 in relation to earthly evelation of northern countries.

1. The author looked at sacred scripture and the (Early Church Fathers) writings, they would know more about the actual written and oral traditions then your YouTube video.

2. We are talking 2,000 years here Blade Runner, most of these early church fathers knew the Apostles or were once removed from the people that actually know of the evidence of the birth of Jesus.

a. The birth of John the Baptist and the gestation period. And the Jewish priestly duties at the temple “courseof abias” for the conception of John the Baptist.
b. The key of finding the traditional birth of
Jesus’s birth.

1. Was there any mention of these two calendars in the article nor does your conjecture have any bearing on the article.

And the YouTube video is irrelevant to to article post.

2. The article only deals with the biblical narrative in the historical Jewish timeline.
Yes or no ?

You are confused ?

a. The Julian calendar B.C. 46
b. Gregorian calendar A.D. 1582

The above two calanders {have nothing to do with} the biblical narratives.

So Blade Runner, you can post all you want from this rabbi YouTube video about your version of the traditional birth date of Jesus Christ.

The key of bible and Common sense, of actual the biblical narrative is the only logical historical answer to (Commonly Alledged Beliefs) such as yours.

Re-read the article again.

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With Christmas lights, and a toy dancing Santa, singing rocking around the Kevyn portrait tree . . .

Kevyn,

Are you buying anybody any gifts . . . to help out the world corporations, to by their boats, autos, jet planes and bank accounts . . . ?


Or will you take the religious Christmas traditional path, . . . Kid's get gifts, dinner, and adults get kindness and pleasant your warm loving thoughts . . .

Just thinking . . . out loud here.


Merry Christmas and blessed New-Year

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12/24/2012 Here’s a Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . (Part 2)

Dr. Taylor Marshall
https://taylormarshall.com/2012/12/yes-christ-was-really-born-on-december.html


Yes, Christ Was Really Born on December 25.


II. The birth of Christ would be about or on December 25:

a. Sacred Tradition also confirms December 25 as the birthday of the Son of God.

b. The source of this ancient tradition is the Blessed Virgin Mary herself.

c. Ask any mother about the birth of her children.

She will not only give you the date of the birth, but she will be able to rattle off the time, the location, the weather, the weight of the baby, the length of the baby, and a number of other details.

I’m the father of six blessed children, and while I sometimes forget these details—mea maxima culpa—my wife never does.

You see, mothers never forget the details surrounding the births of their babies.



Now ask yourself:

Would the Blessed Virgin Mary ever forget the birth of her Son Jesus Christ who was conceived without human seed, proclaimed by angels, born in a miraculous way, and visited by Magi?

She knew from the moment of His incarnation in her stainless womb that He was the Son of God and Messiah.

Would she ever forget that day?[v]



Next, ask yourself:

Would the Apostles be interested in hearing Mary tell the story ?

Of course they would.

Do you think the holy Apostle who wrote, “And the Word was made flesh,” was not interested in the minute details of His birth?

Even when I walk around with our seven-month-old son, people always ask “How old is he?” or “When was he born?”

Don’t you think people asked this question of Mary?



So the exact birth date (December 25) and the time (midnight) would have been known in the first century.

Moreover, the Apostles would have asked about it and would have, no doubt, commemorated the blessed event that both Saint Matthew and Saint Luke chronicle for us.

In summary, it is completely reasonable to state that the early Christians both knew and commemorated the birth of Christ.

Their source would have been His Immaculate Mother.



III. The Early Church Patristic Fathers Writings.

Further testimony reveals that the Church Fathers claimed December 25 as the Birthday of Christ prior to the conversion of Constantine and the Roman Empire.

The earliest record of this is that Pope Saint Telesphorus (reigned A.D. 126-137) instituted the tradition of Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve.

Although the Liber Pontificalis does not give us the date of Christmas, it assumes that the Pope was already celebrating Christmas and that a Mass at midnight was added.

During this time, we also read the following words of Theophilus (A.D. 115-181), Catholic bishop of Caesarea in Palestine:

“We ought to celebrate the birthday of Our Lord on what day soever the 25th of December shall happen.”[vi]

Shortly thereafter in the second century, Saint Hippolytus (A.D. 170-240) wrote in passing that the birth of Christ occurred on December 25:

The First Advent of our Lord in the flesh occurred when He was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, a Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, which is five thousand and five hundred years from Adam.

He suffered in the thirty-third year, March 25th, Friday, the eighteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, while Rufus and Roubellion were Consuls.[vii]

Also note in the quote above the special significance of March 25, which marks the death of Christ (March 25 was assumed to corresponded to the Hebrew month Nisan 14 – the traditional date of crucifixion).[viii]

Christ, as the perfect man, was believed to have been conceived and died on the same day—March 25.



In his Chronicon, Saint Hippolytus states that the earth was created on March 25, 5500 B.C.

Thus, March 25 was identified by the Church Fathers as the Creation date of the universe, as the date of the Annunciation and Incarnation of Christ, and also as the date of the Death of Christ our Savior.

In the Syrian Church, March 25 or the Feast of the Annunciation was seen as one of the most important feasts of the entire year.

It denoted the day that God took up his abode in the womb of the Virgin.

In fact, if the Annunciation and Good Friday came into conflict on the calendar, the Annunciation trumped it, so important was the day in Syrian tradition.

It goes without saying that the Syrian Church preserved some of the most ancient Christian traditions and had a sweet and profound devotion for Mary and the Incarnation of Christ.

Now then, March 25 was enshrined in the early Christian tradition, and from this date it is easy to discern the date of Christ’s birth.

March 25 (Christ conceived by the Holy Ghost) plus nine months brings us to December 25 (the birth of Christ at Bethlehem).



Saint Augustine confirms this tradition of March 25 as the Messianic conception and December 25 as His birth:

For Christ is believed to have been conceived on the 25th of March, upon which day also he suffered;

So the womb of the Virgin, in which he was conceived, where no one of mortals was begotten, corresponds to the new grave in which he was buried, wherein was never man laid, neither before him nor since.

But he was born, according to tradition, upon December the 25th.[ix]



In about A.D. 400, Saint Augustine also noted how the schismatic Donatists celebrated December 25 as the birth of Christ, but that the schismatics refused to celebrate Epiphany on J****** 6, since they regarded Epiphany as a new feast without a basis in Apostolic Tradition.

The Donatist schism originated in A.D. 311 which may indicate that the Latin Church was celebrating a December 25 Christmas (but not a J****** 6 Epiphany) before A.D. 311.

Whichever is the case, the liturgical celebration of Christ’s birth was commemorated in Rome on December 25 long before Christianity became legalized and long before our earliest record of a pagan feast for the birthday of the Unconquered Sun.

For these reasons, it is reasonable and right to hold that Christ was born on December 25 in 1 B.C. and that he died and rose again in March of A.D. 33.

Taylor’s new book The Eternal City also makes an argument in defense of the traditional BC/AD dating as being 100% accurate.

[i] The Chronography of AD 354. Part 12: Commemorations of the Martyrs. MGH Chronica Minora I (1892), pp. 71-2.

[ii] I realize that there are two courses of Abias. This theory only works if Zacharias and Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist after Zacharias’ second course – the course in September.

If Saint Luke refers to the first course, this then would place the birth of John the Baptist in late Fall and the birth of Christ in late Spring.

However, I think tradition and the Protoevangelium substantiate that the Baptist was conceived in late September. [iii]

Josef Heinrich Friedlieb’s Leben J. Christi des Erlösers. Münster, 1887, p. 312.

[iv] The Greek tradition especially celebrates Saint Zacharias as “high priest.”

Nevertheless, Acts 5:24 reveals that there were several “chief priests” (ἀρχιερεῖς), and thus the claim that Zacharias was a “high priest” may not indicate a contradiction.

The Greek tradition identifies Zacharias as an archpriest and martyr based on the narrative of the Protoevangelium of James and Matthew 23:35:

“That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you k**led between the temple and the altar.”
(Matthew 23:35)

[v] A special thanks to the Reverend Father Phil Wolfe, FSSP for bringing the “memory of Mary” argument to my attention.

[vi] Magdeburgenses, Cent. 2. c. 6. Hospinian, De origine Festorum Chi


(End Part 1)

12/24/2012 Here’s a Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . (Part 1)

Dr. Taylor Marshall
https://taylormarshall.com/2012/12/yes-christ-was-really-born-on-december.html


Yes, Christ Was Really Born on December 25.

The Catholic Church, from at least the second century, has claimed that Christ was born on December 25.

However, it is (“Commonly alleged”) that our Lord Jesus Christ was not born on December 25.

For the sake of simplicity, let us set out the usual objections to the date of December 25 and counter each of them.


I. Objections and Answers to: Question 1, Question 2, and Question 3.

II. The birth of Christ would be about or on December 25.

III. The Early Church Patristic Fathers Writings.


Objection 1:
December 25 was chosen in order to replace the pagan Roman festival of Saturnalia.

Saturnalia was a popular winter festival and so the Catholic Church prudently substituted Christmas in its place.


Reply to Objection 1:
Saturnalia commemorated the winter solstice.

Yet the winter solstice falls on December 22.

It is true that Saturnalia celebrations began as early as December 17 and extended till December 23. Still, the dates don’t match up.



Objection 2:
December 25 was chosen to replace the pagan Roman holiday Natalis Solis Invicti which means “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun.”


Reply to Objection 2:
Let us examine first the cult of the Unconquered Sun.

The Emperor Aurelian introduced the cult of the Sol Invictus or Unconquered Sunto Rome in A.D. 274.

Aurelian found political traction with this cult, because his own name Aurelian derives from the Latin word aurora denoting “sunrise.”

Coins reveal that Emperor Aurelian called himself the Pontifex Solis or Pontiff of the Sun.

Thus, Aurelian simply accommodated a generic solar cult and identified his name with it at the end of the third century.

Most importantly, there is no historical record for a celebration Natalis Sol Invictus on December 25 prior to A.D. 354.

Within an illuminated manuscript for the year A.D. 354, there is an entry for December 25 reading “N INVICTI CM XXX.”

Here N means “nativity.” INVICTI means “of the Unconquered.”

CM signifies “circenses missus” or “games ordered.”

The Roman numeral XXX equals thirty.

Thus, the inscription means that thirty games were order for the nativity of the Unconquered for December 25th.

Note that the word “sun” is not present.

Moreover, the very same codex also lists “natus Christus in Betleem Iudeae” for the day of December 25.

1. Liturgical Time and Space - Page 195
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1572582421

2. The Chronography of 354 AD. Part 12: Commemorations of the Saints
www.tertullian.org/fathers/chronography_of_354_12_depositions_martyrs.htm

3. Liturgical Time and Space By Anscar J. Chupungco
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0814661653

4..Christianity in the Later Roman Empire:
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1441180397



The phrase is t***slated as “birth of Christ in Bethlehem of Judea.”[I]

The date of December 25th only became the “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun” under the Emperor Julian the Apostate.

Julian the Apostate had been a Christian but who had apostatized and returned to Roman paganism.

History reveals that it was the h**eful former Christian Emperor that erected a pagan holiday on December 25.

Think about that for a moment.

What was he trying to replace?

These historical facts reveal that the “Unconquered Sun” was not likely a popular deity in the Roman Empire.

The Roman people did not need to be weaned off of a so-called ancient holiday.

Moreover, the tradition of a December 25th celebration does not find a place on the Roman calendar until after the Christianization of Rome.

The “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun” holiday was scarcely traditional and hardly popular. Saturnalia (mentioned above) was much more popular, traditional, and fun.

It seems, rather, that J”ulian the Apostate” had attempted to introduce a pagan holiday in order to replace the Christian one !



Objection 3:
Christ could not have been born in December since Saint Luke describes shepherds herding in the neighboring fields of Bethlehem.

Shepherds do not herd during the winter.

Thus, Christ was not born in winter.


Reply to Objection 3:

Recall that Palestine is not England, Russia, or Alaska. Bethlehem is situated at the latitude of 31.7.

My city of Dallas, Texas has the latitude of 32.8, and it’s still rather comfortable outside in December.

As the great Cornelius a Lapide, remarks during his lifetime, one could still see shepherds and sheep in the fields of Italy during late December, and Italy is at higher latitude than Bethlehem.

Now we move on to establishing the birthday of Christ from Sacred Scripture in two steps.

a. The first step is to use Scripture to determine the birthday of Saint John the Baptist.

b. The next step is using Saint John the Baptist’s birthday as the key for finding Christ’s birthday.

We can discover that Christ was born in late December by observing first the time of year in which Saint Luke describes Saint Zacharias in the temple. 

This provides us with the approximate conception date of Saint John the Baptist.

From there we can follow the chronology that Saint Luke gives, and that lands us at the end of December.

Saint Luke reports that Zacharias served in the “course of Abias.”
(Lk 1:5)

Which Scripture records as the eighth course among the twenty-four priestly courses (Neh 12:17).

Each shift of priests served one week in the temple for two times each year.

The course of Abias served during the eighth week and the thirty-second week in the annual cycle.[ii]



However, when did the cycle of courses begin?

Josef Heinrich Friedlieb has convincingly established that the first priestly course of Jojarib was on duty during the destruction of Jerusalem on the ninth day of the Jewish month of Av.[iii]

Thus the priestly course of Jojarib was on duty during the second week of Av.

Consequently, the priestly course of Abias (the course of Saint Zacharias)

Was undoubtedly serving during the second week of the Jewish month of Tishri—the very week of the Day of Atonement on the tenth day of Tishri.

In our calendar, the Day of Atonement would land anywhere from September 22 to October 8.

Zacharias and Elizabeth conceived “John the Baptist” immediately after Zacharias served his course.

This entails that Saint John the Baptist would have been conceived somewhere around the end of September, placing John’s birth at the end of June, confirming the Catholic Church’s celebration of the “Nativity of Saint John the Baptist” on June 24.



The second-century Protoevangelium of Saint James.
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=35865

The Gospel of James, also known as the Infancy Gospel of James or the Protoevangelium of James, is an apocryphal gospel probably written about AD 145, which expands backward in time the infancy stories contained in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, and presents a narrative concerning the birth and upbringing of Mary.

Also confirms a late September conception of the Baptist since the work depicts Saint Zacharias as High Priest and as entering the Holy of Holies—not merely the holy place with the altar of incense.

This is a factual mistake because Zacharias was not the high priest, but one of the chief priests.[iv]

Still, the Protoevangelium regards Zacharias as a high priest and this associates him with the Day of Atonement, which lands on the tenth day of the Hebrew month of Tishri (roughly the end of our September).

Immediately after this entry into the temple and message of the Archangel Gabriel, Zacharias and Elizabeth conceive John the Baptist.

Allowing for forty weeks of gestation, this places the birth of John the Baptist at the end of June—

Once again confirming the Catholic date for the “Nativity of Saint John the Baptist” on June 24.


c. The rest of the dating is rather simple.

We read that just after the Immaculate Virgin Mary conceived Christ, she went to visit her cousin Elizabeth who was six months pregnant with John the Baptist.

This means that John the Baptist was six months older that our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Luke 1:24-27, 36).

If you add six months to June 24 you get December 24-25 as the birthday of Christ.

Then, if you subtract nine months from December 25 you get that the Annunciation was March 25.

All the dates match up perfectly.

So then, if John the Baptist was conceived shortly after the Jewish Day of the Atonement, then the traditional Catholic dates are essentially correct.


(End Part 1)

More to follow

Rebuttal to Rose42 . . . Explaining Catholic Sacramental Mass . . . and Her Religious Indifferences And Objections

Rose42 condemnation of the Catholic mass.

My answers will be (numbered to correspond with Rose42 objections and bold with scriptural verses) to explain the text copied from a known anti-Catholic website.[/b]


1. “For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens;

1. Contextually this is where the above biblical passage comes from.

A Superior Priesthood, Hebrews 7:25-27
(“Therefore He is able to save completely those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede for them.
Such a high priest truly befits us— One who is holy, innocent, undefiled, set apart from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.
Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people; He sacrificed for sin once for all when He offered up Himself.”)

Why does the website, and Rose42 says this is Catholic priesthood is a heresy.

Lets look at the historical record and the biblical record. I find nothing heretical here

Jesus instituted the foundation of the sacrament of Holy Orders, by which a man is made a bishop, a priest, and thus dedicated to be an image of Christ, or as a deacon, dedicated for service to the church.

“And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them saying, ‘This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me’” (Luke 22:19).

At that moment, Christ ordained the Apostles to share the fullness of his high priesthood. He instituted the sacrament of holy orders at the same time he is instituted the sacrament of the Eucharist, thus showing their intimate connection.

The three degrees are referred to, respectively, as the
1. The episcopate,
2. The presbyterate and
3. The diaconate.

1. The bishop is the only minister of this sacrament. Ordination as a bishop confers the fullness of the sacrament, making the bishop a successor to the Apostles, a member of the College of Bishops, and giving him the threefold office to teach, sanctify, and govern the People of God.

2. Ordination as a priest configures the priest as Christ the Head of the Church, the one essential High Priest, and conferring on him the power, as the bishops' assistant, to celebrate the sacraments and other liturgical acts, especially the Eucharist.

3. Ordination as a deacon configures the man in the service of the bishop, especially in the Church's exercise of Christian charity towards the poor, and preaching of the word of God.

Men who discern a vocation to the priesthood are required by canon law (canon 1032 of the Code of Canon Law) to undertake a seminary program that includes, as well as graduate level philosophical and theological studies, a formation program that includes spiritual direction, retreats, apostolate experience, Latin training, etc. The course of studies in preparation for ordination as a "permanent" deacon is decided by the regional episcopal conference.

Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say 1545, 1548
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a6.htm

Who does not need daily like those high priests to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. Because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath which came after the Law appoints a Son made perfect forever.” The operative word is “once.” One sacrifice. There is no need for daily offering of sacrifices.

There is no problem here and I concur that Jesus Christ is the High priest and king from the priestly order of Melchizedek Genesis 14.

Hebrews (7:13-17)
Jesus is considered a priest in the order of Melchizedek, the "King of Righteousness" because, like Melchizedek, Jesus was not a descendant of Aaron, and thus would not qualify for the Jewish priesthood under the Law of Moses. Abraham predates, Moses and Arron and the writings of the Torah-Pentateuch.

In Matthew 1:1–6 and Luke 3:31–34 of the New Testament, Jesus is described as a member of the tribe of Judah by lineage. Revelation 5:5 also mentions an apocalyptic vision of the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, and he blessed Abram, saying, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. And praise be to God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand." Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
(Genesis 14:17-20)

He is the first individual to be given the title Kohen (priest) in the Hebrew Bible

Except one of the Psalms, this is only one place in the Hebrew Bible where he is mentioned at all.
The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."
(Psalm 110:4,)

In the New testament he is, however, mentioned by Saint Paul makes an argument that Jesus Christ is compared to High Priest Melchizedek:
In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father.” And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."
(Hebrews 5:5-6)

Christ is said to be indirectly "in the order of Melchizedek" in Hebrews 7
If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
(Hebrews 7:11)



2. If you will look at the ninth chapter of Hebrews you will see this same truth repeated in verse 11.

The Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation.
Hebrews 9:11

Really Balmer,

This is all you have, if you can't copy or paste, stop wasting everybody's time.

Methinks this is kinda vague.

Could you be more specific, stop jumping to post article to post articles, as to inflating your delicate ego, and drumming up the gang mob mentality.

This shows how shallow and petty a person you have become as a person.

balmer, stop the continued attacking abuse on Catholics and members of the OPP religious forum.

"Internetting Trolls:
1. Dog-Piling Troll's, Online silencing, Cyber Mob to discredit a target
2. Sea-Lioning Troll's, Self-Appointed "Good Cop"
3. Concern Troll's, Pseudo-Displays of "Constructive Criticism"
4. Gish Galloping Troll's, Falsehoods nitpicking arguments unrelated details
5. Impersonation Troll's, create hoax impersonation accounts in your name
6. Gas-Lighting Troll's, Giving false information to cause self-doubt.

Communion and the Body of Christ according to scripture
First: Rose42 on Dec 17, 2018 13:31:04
Go to list newest and it is on page 3 I believe

balmer,

Rose42 has her own voice and can answer herself.

The conversation was between the two of us, until you butted your head into the conversation.


As Pennylynn said, be respectful, what you are doing is cat-like a mob mentality as Padre-mike called you.

I have another internet term for the mob mentality here on the OPP religious forum and ethical decorum that is not practiced.

In this order;
1. Dog-Piling Troll's, Online silencing, Cyber Mob to discredit a target
2. Sea-Lioning Troll's, Self-Appointed "Good Cop"
3. Gish Galloping Troll's, Falsehoods nitpicking arguments unrelated details
3. Concern Troll's, Pseudo-Displays of "Constructive Criticism"

A Guide to "Internetting": The internet breakdown of every type "Trolling" on online blogging trolls
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-37830-1.html

"Internetting Trolls :
a. Sea-Lioning Troll's, Self-Appointed "Good Cop"
b. Concern Troll's, Pseudo-Displays of "Constructive Criticism"
c. Gish Galloping Troll's, Falsehoods nitpicking arguments unrelated details
d. Impersonation Troll's, create hoax impersonation accounts in your name
e. Dog-Piling Troll's, Online silencing, Cyber Mob to discredit a target
g. Gas-Lighting Troll's, Giving false information to cause self-doubt.

Balmer and rose42,
The real question is can you dispute Article and come up with a question ?

The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist . . . History and Evidence . . . In-depth analysis . . . Robert J. Spitzer, S.J., Ph.D.


Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . . Cricket's . . .

Other than that, all you are is hot air gas . . .

You can dispute all these biblical verses about the Holy Eucharist Sacraments the real presence, and the article post.

John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Matthew 26:26-27
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,

Mark 14:22-25
And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it.
And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.
Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

Revelation 5:6 ESV
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Revelation 19:9
And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”

Revelation 21:9
Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

1 Corinthians 10:16
The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

1 Corinthians 11:23-32
For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. ...

1 Corinthians 11:29
For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.


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Doc110

balmer,


So where did Rose43 this post thread did she respond ?

Rose42,

Methinks . . .

You can't think of "One" question that a Berean Christadelphians are in opposition to; The Holy Eucharist Sacrament Mystery.



"The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist . . . History and Evidence . . . In-depth analysis . . . Robert J. Spitzer, S.J., Ph.D."


I know that it is a daunting task, to even produce one article question in opposition to the of 9,585 words and 18 page masterpiece affirming the Catholic Churches Christ centered teaching and instructions on the Holy Eucharist Sacrament.

Rose42, TexaCan, and balmer, . . . did you read the article ?

Most probably not.



That's why there is so much silence on the article post and your continued personal comments to my character and demeanor as a practicing Catholic.

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Still waiting rose43, balmer, Texacan, for one small minuscule comment on the Post article thread. Not the Holy Eucharist Sacrament Mystery.

"The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist . . . History and Evidence" . . . In-depth analysis . . . Robert J. Spitzer, S.J., Ph.D.


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Rose42,

1. All you did was to avoided the facts that I presented to you in the Post article and my replies to you.

The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist . . . History and Evidence . . . In-depth analysis . . . Robert J. Spitzer, S.J., Ph.D.


2. All you did was to avoid the Article Post thread topic and my comments. Repeat statement if you didn't read and compared the first time.


3. You couldn't even come up with ("one") Protestant Berean Christadelphian opposition question to the 9,585 word 18 page article.


4. Instead you chose to complain about myself Doc110 and your personal opposition to my Catholic Church and Faith.


Thats your prerogative and opinion.


But please stop being so disingenuous and try to respond the actual topic, all you do is digress in complete opposition of what Pennylynn says to the OPP Religious Faith, Religion, Spirituality forum.


Looks to me this is the same practices that you have gone in the past and are doing on this thread in present day, and most probably are going to do in the future here on the OPP Faith, Religion, Spirituality forum.

Guess some people here can't learn from their mistakes e.g. Rose42, balmer and TexaCan.


Hey tell me, was jack sequim wa, band from the site, I see many of his articles were removed from the website ?


Remember Big-Brother Big-Sister is watching your very comments and replies.


As SantaClaws said, "You better be good, for goodness sake's" . . . or you will get coal in your Christmas stocking, when SantaClaws comes Christmas night.


Doc110

balmer,

The only olive branch you extended was you called me a molester of boys and a rapist of young boys.


But you are forgiven by me.

But what you should be asking for, is for Gods forgiveness at Judgement day.

Jesus Christ and priests are the only ones to forgive sin's


Doc110

TecaCan,

Thank God, your going away, finally.


Praise Jesus Christ, Mary and all the Saints.

Amen, Amen.