Singularity

Thanks! I'm all outta breath, but that felt GOOD!!!!
GOD xLESS AMERICA!!!

BOHICA

Just because you study something, doesn't mean you understand it.

I assume you understand the central message of the Bible. That all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Jesus is the only way to life. It requires one to surrender themselves to the will of God. Something many are incapable of doing. Their sinful pride will not allow it.

They want to control their own lives. They want to EARN their way to Heaven, assuming they believe there is a Heaven.

Maybe you do understand Scripture. Maybe that's the problem. You understand it, but you also reject it.

easlygary

How about this---go sit in front of a wall, talk to God, hold your breath until you hear an answer. If you hear an answer go see a doctor cause your nuts.

Singularity

You are dodging my challenge. The central message of the Bible is like that of the snake oil salesman.

1. Convince you you have an ailment, sin.

2. Then sell you the cure, redemptive sacrifice, vicarious redemption.

3. For a price, your sanity, via indoctrinal psychosis, faith!

Refute these three points or admit I am correct and retract your challenge.

BOHICA

I don't have to. The Bible refutes you. Anything I say will simply be rejected by you. You have what the Bible refers to as a reprobate mind. You have read Gods word and have rejected it. I can't help you. No one can.

Singularity

You said, "It is painfully obvious that you do not understand the Christian faith."

You imply my statements are not Biblical or central to the Bible's message.

I assumed you could substantiate your claim. The BIBLE does not refute my points as they are CENTRAL themes of the message. Kinda the point, actually.

If you can't refute my statements, man up and admit it. Don't be a coward and threaten me, claiming your big brother can beat me up so you must be right. Your responses have regressed to three year old level at this point. Shall I assume further devolution on your part?

Answer truthfully! Have you read the Bible thru even once?

BOHICA

Why should I continue this conversation? Your bias is obvious. It's also obvious that you don't care what I or any other Christian has to say. The Bible speaks for itself. It doesn't need me to defend it. You claim to have studied it. Others have devoted a LIFETIME to it's study, and they disagree with you. What makes you an authority? Why should anyone listen to you? I can't think of one reason. And even if I can't refute anything you say, others who are more knowledgeable can. This conversation is over. I will have no further contact with you. Please return the favor. You have nothing to say that I would care to hear.

Singularity

You started this conversation and this particular debate and came out swinging with your brash prideful "Goddidit" claim then you ignorantly accused me of not understanding the Bible! When proven wrong and unable to answer in defense of your immoral religiously based bigotry, you stick out your bottom lip and refuse to debate further?

Shame on you!

P.S. Hate the foolishness; love the Fool!

P.P.S. Answer truthfully! Have you read the Bible thru even once?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Bo has not read it.

Singularity

Obviously. He is intelligent, somewhat thoughtfully reflective, and seems a decent moral person altogether. The fact that he is still a Christian obviously means he hasn't comprehended the actual texts in the Bible. He has swallowed some line, believing someone else could refute my criticism, but doesn't say who. Except that at judgement day.... I don't think either of us will be surprised after death with a god's revelation. Because we will both be dead.

If he could just quietly enjoy his religion in peace, or post and respond respectfully, we could all have great fun debating!

There are a number of conservative religious persons on OPP with whom I have lively public forum and private message debates with. Vigorous debates with respectful, loving and honest christian people.

Vacaman

Sorry I meant 200 million years per carbon dating.

Singularity

Late edit: I normally try to follow grammatical conventions, but have begun to lazily rely on my spell checker to capitalize proper nouns, like Christian, thus using the lower case in the above post was unintentional.

Vacaman

Nothing rusted? You are claiming zero oxygen?

Vacaman

Thanks for the interesting read, these papers are typical of the worldly man and satans lies. No big deal for me or you if this is how you conclude mankinds dark times. The Old Testament is not Christian would be my first point to the obvious as a flaw, Christians never practiced animal or human sacrafices. WTF!!!??? Eat my body! Drink my blood! That is human sacrifice. I believe you are taught that Jesus was fully human as well as fully God... (200% BS) Christians do beleive that Christ paid for our sins and yes this includes murder as no sin is greater than any other. I have a hard time with that part and it doesn't sound fair, but when a person is in Christ they have typically repented and left their sinful way. Why not just repent, leave your sinful ways, AND leave the creepiness involved in eating Jesus' body and blood in effigy in the past where it belongs.Again very hard to do in this hate filled world. Christians are not perfect people Then whats the POINT! If it doesn't even work!! and if they are true Christians you may not even know they are Christians at all unless you catch them during sacrament. This sacrament is an old ritual that Christ asked us to perform so that we would again feel his sacrafice. Exactly my point! Then whats your POINT! If it doesn't even work so as to allow others to be able to see any noticeable difference in behavior and lifestyle??!!??!!

First off it seams pretty clear that you once believed and now don't, perhaps a lost loved one?
Secondly the sacrament is in no way human sacrafice and if you think about it it was the last sacrafice the Jews had to be liable for.
Thirdly Christians like me work very hard to better ourselves and help those in need without judging them,in otherword be Christlike.
Fourth, if it were easy to accept faith without any other of our senses being used there would likely be even more than the 2 billion or so Christians in the world today.
If it were only that easy to explain the feeling if when the Holy Spirit moves you. When a person experiences that, you don't forget. We may pass it off as coincidence until it happens again and I find it amazing that atheist and Muslims are discovery Christ more frequently than ever in spite of all the persecution and denial by those who can not tell who is who unless they ask.
Christians do their best, just as you are doing your best to deny.
Thanks again.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Before photosynthesis, no rust (oxidation). Its called a reducing atmosphere. Amazing isnt it?