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Feb 27, 2015 19:05:36   #
MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon
 
Good question, but that has already been proven scientifically in both the animal kingdom as well as in the human realm. Just look it up. And that is why, since we are on that point, that God had already made men and women before he made Adam and Eve. And that is why when Cain was banished from the garden he said, "This punishment is more than I can bear, for whosoever is out there will k**l me."
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oldroy wrote:
Oh chit oh dear, what if all the reading one does comes from those who think the opposite of what you think?

The thing that bothers me most about this evolution - creation argument is that it is only an argument. Those of us who believe in God may be totally right about him creating the whole thing but evolution may well have caused some changes in humans as it has with animals. I think that all of us on both sides of this argument would be smarter to consider that we do cause changes in the animal world through selective breeding but won't allow that kind of thing with humans. Don't we all believe that if we allowed closer familial breeding than we do we would weaken the human animal? I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but I don't think so.
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Feb 27, 2015 19:08:37   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
oldroy wrote:
I have already done that and I do know through science that when humans inbreed too much the results aren't acceptable and at the same time we don't worry about the animal world that has them working from what works to keep them alive but never from what they know since they don't have brains like ours.


A good example of man interfereing with natural se******n was out attempt to harvest salmon eggs and sperm to then combine them and release the fertilized eggs, hoping to increase the number of salmon. The number of surviving fish dropped dramatically. Without the natural se******n of breeding adults, offspring were dramatically weaker and thus survived at a much smaller number.

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Feb 27, 2015 20:31:52   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Artemis wrote:
I am not speaking to you condescendingly, I'm merely giving you my perspective, I am not the one stating this is how it is. It is only my thoughts on the topic.

Are we not walking equals to God? We all start out being born and we begin making our own choices, and he watches.

If a father were to warn his son to choose wisely, and the son does not and ends up getting and his hand gets cut off, and he looks up at his father and his father says you did not choose wisely.
Do you think the father loves the son any less?

Sick and evil people are lost souls, they are people so lost in their mind, heart, and all the way to their soul. You think God loves them any less, or maybe he pity's them for bringing on their own form of hell and suffering and may hope they seek forgiveness if they are ever have the mindfulness to do so.
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All women speak to me condescendingly, don't let it rent space in your head. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know what you're saying and I respect that your views are just that and, my views are my own.

IMHO, well NO and not just no but, HELL NO! We are not walking equals with God. How many new worlds did you create this month? Any new life forms? C'mon Artemis my belief is that God is now, was always and will always be there.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

~John 1:1

That's why women have a hard time accepting this, being you can hardly get a word in edgewise when speaking with them and, they always have to have the first and the last word! Face it, you can't stand the competition...

Pardon me while I duck as things are being hurled at me.

Please allow me to digress to a discussion of fathers. My belief is that there are only two types of people that exist in this old world. They are good `uns and bad `uns PERIOD. The fields of psychology and psychiatry seek to give all dysfunctional and evil things a person does a label so that they can treat it. This makes them pill pushers for Big Pharma too many times. I do want to make the distinction between counseling and labeling for Big Pharma. Counseling is being a really good friend, pure and simple. Diagnosing & accompanying medicinal treatments is labeling, pure and simple.

Now even a child is known by what they do, having two hands or not, okay? In Proverbs 20:11 it tells the reader,

It is by his deeds that a lad distinguishes himself If his conduct is pure and right.

I want you to connect the dots to adulthood if you will...

You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the t***h because there is no t***h in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

~John 8:44

Two fathers, two different types of children! God loves the world and all that He created more than you or I could ever realize.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

~John 3:16-17

That's love isn't it? Many mothers won't even let their sons play football or join the military, because they don't want them to get hurt. Could you knowingly send yours into the world to be treated like mankind treated His son?

That's a rhetorical question.

So yes I KNOW God loves all of us miserable, wretched creatures because even while still in our sin, He provides a way out through belief on His son.

It up to us to choose, He's not forcing Himself on anybody. I just don't want anyone who makes an unwise choice come crying to me, because you won't be able to after the living years.

:wink: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 27, 2015 22:50:51   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
RockKnutne wrote:
All women speak to me condescendingly, don't let it rent space in your head. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know what you're saying and I respect that your views are just that and, my views are my own.

IMHO, well NO and not just no but, HELL NO! We are not walking equals with God. How many new worlds did you create this month? Any new life forms? C'mon Artemis my belief is that God is now, was always and will always be there.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

~John 1:1

That's why women have a hard time accepting this, being you can hardly get a word in edgewise when speaking with them and, they always have to have the first and the last word! Face it, you can't stand the competition...

Pardon me while I duck as things are being hurled at me.

Please allow me to digress to a discussion of fathers. My belief is that there are only two types of people that exist in this old world. They are good `uns and bad `uns PERIOD. The fields of psychology and psychiatry seek to give all dysfunctional and evil things a person does a label so that they can treat it. This makes them pill pushers for Big Pharma too many times. I do want to make the distinction between counseling and labeling for Big Pharma. Counseling is being a really good friend, pure and simple. Diagnosing & accompanying medicinal treatments is labeling, pure and simple.

Now even a child is known by what they do, having two hands or not, okay? In Proverbs 20:11 it tells the reader,

It is by his deeds that a lad distinguishes himself If his conduct is pure and right.

I want you to connect the dots to adulthood if you will...

You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the t***h because there is no t***h in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

~John 8:44

Two fathers, two different types of children! God loves the world and all that He created more than you or I could ever realize.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

~John 3:16-17

That's love isn't it? Many mothers won't even let their sons play football or join the military, because they don't want them to get hurt. Could you knowingly send yours into the world to be treated like mankind treated His son?

That's a rhetorical question.

So yes I KNOW God loves all of us miserable, wretched creatures because even while still in our sin, He provides a way out through belief on His son.

It up to us to choose, He's not forcing Himself on anybody. I just don't want anyone who makes an unwise choice come crying to me, because you won't be able to after the living years.

:wink: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
All women speak to me condescendingly, don't let i... (show quote)


Ever notice that some folks want to hug people when drunk and others want to crap on folks when drunk?

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Feb 27, 2015 23:42:27   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Ever notice that some folks want to hug people when drunk and others want to crap on folks when drunk?


Not me nwt, I want to take a dump on `em no matter what I'm drinking. Ya wanna hug, call yer mamma, that's what I think!

:wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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