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Feb 14, 2015 15:22:53   #
BOHICA
 
Many people believe that life arose on it's own, with no help whatsoever. They believe this despite the fact that there is no evidence to support it.

DNA, has something called complex specified information. It is responsible for building and controlling a cell that is so complex that we have yet to understand even a significant fraction of it.

There are cellular networks in every cell. These are complex beyond belief. Each network has many specialized components that work in perfect harmony to keep the cell alive and functioning properly. These networks are also part of larger networks that work together and exchange information. If just one component of this network is missing, the cell dies.

These networks are so complex that our most powerful computers are incapable of modeling how they function. SO, I ask you. Where did this information come from? Information, such as that contained in every molecule of DNA, does not simply appear as a result of random processes.

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Feb 14, 2015 15:56:51   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
BOHICA wrote:
Many people believe that life arose on it's own, with no help whatsoever. They believe this despite the fact that there is no evidence to support it.

DNA, has something called complex specified information. It is responsible for building and controlling a cell that is so complex that we have yet to understand even a significant fraction of it.

There are cellular networks in every cell. These are complex beyond belief. Each network has many specialized components that work in perfect harmony to keep the cell alive and functioning properly. These networks are also part of larger networks that work together and exchange information. If just one component of this network is missing, the cell dies.

These networks are so complex that our most powerful computers are incapable of modeling how they function. SO, I ask you. Where did this information come from? Information, such as that contained in every molecule of DNA, does not simply appear as a result of random processes.
Many people believe that life arose on it's own, w... (show quote)






I believe that God made the heavens, then the Angels [Lucifer as one of the God's (Archangel) CEO's, so-to-speak], the foliage, fish and wildlife and then Adam, then God took one of Adam's ribs and made Eve.

Since the serpents were already on earth, Lucifer, because [he] wanted the top job, was cast from Heaven to earth and became the earthly Satan; apples were beautiful and delicious, and temptation was born!!!

Evolution is fine, but we haven't yet found an ape that has much beyond the mental capacity of even a jackass; thus the demoncraps!!! It's in THEIR "DNA!!!"

And when jackasses learn as much as an ape "WE" should consider allowing [them] back into office to do very menial chores; like back in the ole' days when "jackasses" were born; at the Jackson WH!!! And thank God NONE of them made it to Mt. Rushmore.

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Feb 14, 2015 16:14:56   #
Blacksheep
 
BOHICA wrote:
Many people believe that life arose on it's own, with no help whatsoever. They believe this despite the fact that there is no evidence to support it.


Yes there is, there's lots of evidence and more keeps piling up every day. What there's no evidence for is the creation of life by some magical deity. Do some reading, keep up with scientific and technological advances, your knowledge is 19th Century.

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Feb 14, 2015 16:17:18   #
BOHICA
 
B****sheep wrote:
Yes there is, there's lots of evidence and more keeps piling up every day. What there's no evidence for is the creation of life by some magical deity. Do some reading, keep up with scientific and technological advances, your knowledge is 19th Century.


That's your opinion. Let's see some credible evidence that shows it's even remotely possible for a random collection of lifeless chemicals to produce the complexities of even the simplest life form.

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Feb 14, 2015 16:20:47   #
Blacksheep
 
BOHICA wrote:
That's your opinion. Let's see some credible evidence that shows it's even remotely possible for a random collection of lifeless chemicals to produce the complexities of even the simplest life form.


No it's not my opinion. It's science. If you want credible evidence, get off your butt and do your own research, educating you isn't everyone else's job.

You show US some proof that a magical being created life. Go for it, we'll wait. Bible quotes are not proof.

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Feb 14, 2015 16:28:22   #
Haughty Lib Loc: Boston, NYC, D.C.
 
BOHICA wrote:
Many people believe that life arose on it's own, with no help whatsoever. They believe this despite the fact that there is no evidence to support it.

DNA, has something called complex specified information. It is responsible for building and controlling a cell that is so complex that we have yet to understand even a significant fraction of it.

There are cellular networks in every cell. These are complex beyond belief. Each network has many specialized components that work in perfect harmony to keep the cell alive and functioning properly. These networks are also part of larger networks that work together and exchange information. If just one component of this network is missing, the cell dies.

These networks are so complex that our most powerful computers are incapable of modeling how they function. SO, I ask you. Where did this information come from? Information, such as that contained in every molecule of DNA, does not simply appear as a result of random processes.
Many people believe that life arose on it's own, w... (show quote)


I'm sorry, but you keep making the argument that because you don't understand something complex, by default, that must mean God made it.

That's just a ridiculously stupid argument.

I'm not making the argument that God didn't create it, but I certainly understand that just because we haven't come to understand something, it doesn't follow that God had a hand in it.

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Feb 14, 2015 16:29:17   #
BOHICA
 
B****sheep wrote:
No it's not my opinion. It's science. If you want credible evidence, get off your butt and do your own research, educating you isn't everyone else's job.

You show US some proof that a magical being created life. Go for it, we'll wait. Bible quotes are not proof.


Abiogenesis is not science. Science is repeatable experiments that gather data about natural phenomena. There are no scientific experiments that can reproduce the origin of life. All scientists are capable of doing is offering a hypothesis about how it MIGHT have happened. It is nothing but a fairy tale for grown ups. In other words, there is no evidence that it actually happened, or even how it might have happened. Once you eliminate the impossible, wh**ever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the t***h

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Feb 14, 2015 16:33:31   #
BOHICA
 
Haughty Lib wrote:
I'm sorry, but you keep making the argument that because you don't understand something complex, by default, that must mean God made it.

That's just a ridiculously stupid argument.

I'm not making the argument that God didn't create it, but I certainly understand that just because we haven't come to understand something, it doesn't follow that God had a hand in it.


"I'm sorry, but you keep making the argument that because you don't understand something complex, by default, that must mean God made it."


That is not the argument I'm making. My argument is that from everything we know to be true, it is impossible for lifeless chemicals to produce life. Thus, if it cannot happen on it's own, it had to have had some help.

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Feb 14, 2015 16:43:08   #
Haughty Lib Loc: Boston, NYC, D.C.
 
BOHICA wrote:
"I'm sorry, but you keep making the argument that because you don't understand something complex, by default, that must mean God made it."


That is not the argument I'm making. My argument is that from everything we know to be true, it is impossible for lifeless chemicals to produce life. Thus, if it cannot happen on it's own, it had to have had some help.


... which IS the argument that because something isn't yet fully understood, therefore, God must have created it.

You don't know what's possible or impossible.

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Feb 14, 2015 16:58:00   #
BOHICA
 
Haughty Lib wrote:
... which IS the argument that because something isn't yet fully understood, therefore, God must have created it.

You don't know what's possible or impossible.


Tell you what. Why don't you make a soup of the chemicals that make up all living organisms and wait a while. Let me know if anything crawls out of the pot.

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Feb 14, 2015 17:13:48   #
Blacksheep
 
BOHICA wrote:
"I'm sorry, but you keep making the argument that because you don't understand something complex, by default, that must mean God made it."


That is not the argument I'm making. My argument is that from everything we know to be true, it is impossible for lifeless chemicals to produce life. Thus, if it cannot happen on it's own, it had to have had some help.


Cellular structures do in fact occur in different chemical soups, cells that absorb "nutrients" from that soup. Eventually they stop absorbing or they burst, instead of expanding out to a certain point and then separating into two halves. Picture a big bubble closing in at the center and then becoming two bubbles. That's what life is. Just a bubble of organic nutrient that divides in half instead of bursting.

The study of comets has shown that they have rich organic chemical soups, much of the ingredients of life. Remember, all you need is one cell to start life on a whole planet and contrary to your OPINION, it is NOT impossible for life to begin this way.

You present your OPINION as if it were fact. You don't have the definitive answer any more than the rest of us, but if it's to be a matter of faith, I have faith that SCIENCE will eventually find it.

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Feb 14, 2015 17:20:47   #
BOHICA
 
B****sheep wrote:
Cellular structures do in fact occur in different chemical soups, cells that absorb "nutrients" from that soup. Eventually they stop absorbing or they burst, instead of expanding out to a certain point and then separating into two halves. Picture a big bubble closing in at the center and then becoming two bubbles. That's what life is. Just a bubble of organic nutrient that divides in half instead of bursting.

The study of comets has shown that they have rich organic chemical soups, much of the ingredients of life. Remember, all you need is one cell to start life on a whole planet and contrary to your OPINION, it is NOT impossible for life to begin this way.

You present your OPINION as if it were fact. You don't have the definitive answer any more than the rest of us, but if it's to be a matter of faith, I have faith that SCIENCE will eventually find it.
Cellular structures do in fact occur in different ... (show quote)


Once again, that's your opinion. How about providing a source for your claims?

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Feb 14, 2015 17:43:06   #
Blacksheep
 
BOHICA wrote:
Once again, that's your opinion. How about providing a source for your claims?


Once again back atcha, do your own research and verify what you post BEFORE you post it, because it isn't our job to educate you. Get on Google or wh**ever your preference is and start looking things up instead of posting erroneous opinions, claiming they're facts, and then demanding that we prove otherwise.

You posted this stuff, it's your job to verify it. Not ours. That's the same crappy trick that all the Libs use, they post utter bulls**t and then demand that we do all the work to prove otherwise. NO, you prove it. Your post, your job.

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Feb 14, 2015 17:47:19   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
How would you rate Albert Einstein on the subject ?????

B****sheep wrote:
Yes there is, there's lots of evidence and more keeps piling up every day. What there's no evidence for is the creation of life by some magical deity. Do some reading, keep up with scientific and technological advances, your knowledge is 19th Century.

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Feb 14, 2015 17:54:33   #
Blacksheep
 
missinglink wrote:
How would you rate Albert Einstein on the subject ?????


I wouldn't, he's dead, I know the quote of his the cretins, oops I mean the creationists always use, and it's of no value at all because he was a mathematician when he wasn't being a clerk, and had zero knowledge of biochemistry. That quote is meaningless.

Science has marched on since he proposed the Theory of Relativity back in 1905. How would you rate the advances of science in the last 110 years since Relativity?

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