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PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

eden wrote:

Most of these posts are completely missing the poi... (show quote)

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carolyn

2bltap wrote:

MICHIGAN TO BEGIN DRUG TESTING SOME WELFARE RECIPI... (show quote)

This should have been required from the day welfare started. And it was like it still is. It was always good for a number of votes to keep the crooks in office.

2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

carolyn wrote:

This should have been required from the day welfare started. And it was like it still is. It was always good for a number of votes to keep the crooks in office.

carolyn- Well hello there. I believe this the first time we spoke. So it's a pleasure. I agree with you 100%. I think the reason this requirement wasn't implemented was because the scamming wasn't so in your face prevalent as it is now. These programs are a major part of our system now as well as economically. These programs were meant to assist not be the paycheck.
As a result we have so many children that are born into this mindset that many many many of them they think it is normal and perpetuate the problem. Not there fault initially. However, as they grow into adulthood and see that nothing adverse is happening to others they end up not caring. Thank you for your post and please continue.

Semper Fi

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

archie bunker wrote:

I am subject to drug testing in order to keep a job so I can pay taxes so the government can give those taxes to people who won't work. Why should I be drug tested in order to earn money?

No one wants children to starve Tom. I think the bigger point is to combat abuse of the system by career leeches.

I do agree that career leeches who could do for themselves need a wake up call. I believe welfare services should be a temporary measure with the requirement for verifiable work search each week. If the parents are cut off the children will have to be put in foster homes to be fed and housed. Few people will take on that job. I know I am a foster parent to two of my grandchildren. Ella 23 months and Anthony almost 12. They both have the same birthday Jan 25.

Brucey Loc: USA

2bltap wrote:

MICHIGAN TO BEGIN DRUG TESTING SOME WELFARE RECIPI... (show quote)

Amen to that
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keithhowell58 Loc: Hollywood,fl

Don't take away from the kids i'm pretty sure we all agree with that, we also agree about people (adults) taking advantage of the system should be stopped and if possible put in jail, but lets face it no matter what you do your going to have people taking advantage! I personally know people write now that brag about taking advantage of the system as far as disability, and i also know the longer you give free stuff to people they are going to take advantage! But I feel drug testing isn't the right answer! Maybe if there were better insensitives to get off welfare there might be a change! (Higher minimum wage)it might not make a difference to some critics but if you can send money overseas to build schools and roads and arm foreign armies you can say let's fix our problems first! I know that sounds selfish and mean but that is how i feel!

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

I do agree that career leeches who could do for themselves need a wake up call. I believe welfare services should be a temporary measure with the requirement for verifiable work search each week. If the parents are cut off the children will have to be put in foster homes to be fed and housed. Few people will take on that job. I know I am a foster parent to two of my grandchildren. Ella 23 months and Anthony almost 12. They both have the same birthday Jan 25.

God bless you for doing what you do Tom. I honestly don't have the answer. Is there one? It just burns me up to see the abuse of the system. I can say that as a taxpayer. I never get a return. Always have to pay. That money would be better spent in my local community on projects for feeding children than it would going through the feds.

You have a big heart Tom!! Many of us do too; but a line must be drawn somewhere. What happened to personal responsibility, accountability, consequenses?

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

archie bunker wrote:

God bless you for doing what you do Tom. I honestl... (show quote)

It seems personal responsibilty does not register with some people. I have nothing to do with those types. They usually wind up in jail

Brucey Loc: USA

keithhowell58 wrote:

Don't take away from the kids i'm pretty sure we a... (show quote)

I do not totally disagree with you, but I do not feel drug addicts should receive welfare. If you can afford to do drugs, you don't need Uncle Sam to feed you, or house you. Get a job and become a responsible citizen.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

It seems personal responsibilty does not register with some people. I have nothing to do with those types. They usually wind up in jail

We aren't so far apart on this. If a person is REALLY trying to help themselves, I will give them the shirt off my back, and the shoes off my feet. Is it unreasonable to expect them to do whats right for themselves and their kids? Should we keep enableing (sp) bad decisions?

keithhowell58 Loc: Hollywood,fl

Face it Archie some people don't care! They for some reason think they are owed! Nobody is owed anything that they didn't work for except our nation's kids! I spent 13 years in the Army and afterwards spent 20 years working with kids in the intercity! Now I'm disable so i worked for mine!I feel if we can reach out to our youth we can bring about a change in attitude I sure tried but it's going to take more than me! Kids I worked with are willing to do it we just have to get them out of that cycle and let them compete on and even playing field (by the way their is nothing wrong with working at Mc Donalds at a decent wage) wish like hell I could work at Mc Donalds to supplement my income but I can't im really ill! But what can I say everybody doesn't feel the way I do, to bad!

Comment Loc: California

grace scott wrote:

It does affect all of us, and should be done. It has the added benefit of giving jobs to those responsible for and those doing the testing.

I agree Grace, I want to propose a set of facts to the forum and ask what does society do with a person like this..

1-- About 2.5 years ago my grandson got out of prison for failure to register as a sex offender.

2-- I allowed him to stay in my RV on my property where I live. He had full access to my house.

3-- He got $500 in food stamps upon release.

4 --I helped him get a job at Walmart.

5---I assisted him in getting a job at Walmart. He did good for about a year.

6--- He got on drugs. Walmart gave him 3 months to get clean. He went to counseling and got clean.

7 --I discovered that he was stealing from me. I put him on probation. Walmart put him on probation.

8 --Upon the receipt of his first check he bought Meth.

9 --He was fired and I terminated his residence and banned him from coming back even to visit.

10--He checked himself into a mental clinic for three months.

11-- Upon being released he cut his body and went to the ER . He did this many times before. He was hearing voices and people were spying on him. Delusional.

12-- As a recovering addict he is back on food stamps $200 a month. He is homeless and lives in a field.

13--There are millions of people like this. He is not rehab able. What do we as a society do with these people? The county has a house they can go to for showers and wash their clothes.
14-- He ran up $50,000 in ambulance and hospital bills.
All on the tax payer.

He cost me several thousand dollars in trying to help him and he threw it all away for drugs. He is a career criminal. I saw that.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

archie bunker wrote:

We aren't so far apart on this. If a person is REALLY trying to help themselves, I will give them the shirt off my back, and the shoes off my feet. Is it unreasonable to expect them to do whats right for themselves and their kids? Should we keep enableing (sp) bad decisions?

Seems like the good Lord looks out for fools and idiots while the fortunate seem to help the unfortunate. I haven't gotten a tax refund since 1979. guess I have done more than enough for the worthless of our society. Kids Old and crippled should be the only ones we assist. But we are stuck helping fools and idiots without the desire or PRIDE to make their own way

archie bunker Loc: Texas

keithhowell58 wrote:

Face it Archie some people don't care! They for s... (show quote)

I know what you are saying. You do what you have to to take care of your business. Get up, go to work. Pick em up, put em down.
We should take care of the people who CAN'T.
I just hate having to take care of those who WON'T..

Comment Loc: California

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

Seems like the good Lord looks out for fools and idiots while the fortunate seem to help the unfortunate. I haven't gotten a tax refund since 1979. guess I have done more than enough for the worthless of our society. Kids Old and crippled should be the only ones we assist. But we are stuck helping fools and idiots without the desire or PRIDE to make their own way

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I wish you had gotten money back but, on the rest of your post was the best thing I have seen you post. Did you fall outa bed and strike your heard? :lol: :lol: