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May 1, 2024 18:53:50   #
Rose42
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
You got that right! Plenty of chuckles.

And you've gotten to the heart of the difference between the "sides."


The supreme (unfounded) arrogance is both entertaining and sad.

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May 1, 2024 18:54:00   #
PeterS
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
An indictment is an accusation. Nothing more. You can accuse anyone of anything and it means nothing.

Yeah, but to be indicted you do something wrong; violate the rule of law. None of this came out of the blue. He didn't simply look at Stormy Daniels and was indicted. Now if you don't understand? All rules of law extend from our constitution. That's really its purpose, to give us the legal structure for the country to follow. Now remember, when Trump took his oath he swore to the god he so loves to uphold the constitution and the rule of law. This compounds the egregiousness of the crimes that he's committed because he violated his oath when he committed them!

And, I understand completely. For you MAGA conservatives you could give a flip about anything Trump did while in or out of office. You need the ultimate power and he is your key to getting it. That's a pretty weak key though because his arrogance is going to cause him to go into the election with at least one conviction against him. Remember the Lincoln Conservatives in the 2020 election? They only wanted to peal 4% of the vote away from him...and got it...which sunk his chance for reelection.

So the moral to the story is: indictments do matter because they can not only put you in jail, they can cost you elections and once again deny conservatives their ultimate quest for power!

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May 1, 2024 18:57:25   #
PeterS
 
Rose42 wrote:
The supreme (unfounded) arrogance is both entertaining and sad.

Yeah, but this "unfounded arrogance" is going to cost you the election. Is that what you find so entertaining and sad at the same time? Your defeat?

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May 1, 2024 18:59:32   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
The supreme (unfounded) arrogance is both entertaining and sad.


Oh darn

You just made me think about our supreme court justices and their arrogance.

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May 1, 2024 19:06:36   #
Rose42
 
PeterS wrote:
Yeah, but this "unfounded arrogance" is going to cost you the election. Is that what you find so entertaining and sad at the same time? Your defeat?


America loses if either is elected. Is that my defeat you’re speaking of?

Some of you support the current babbling idiot in the WH. Thats not smart. You people are settling for abject mediocrity (I’m being nice) and corrupt politics as usual. Thats not smart at all and instead of actually standing up and doing something about it you follow everyone else and waste your vote

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May 1, 2024 19:11:22   #
Rose42
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Oh darn

You just made me think about our supreme court justices and their arrogance.


You wouldn’t care if they were all like Ketanji Jackson who refused to define what a woman is. That showed zero integrity on her part. You’re just in a huff because there are more conservatives now.

Ginsburg screwed the left by not retiring so Obama could appoint a justice

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May 2, 2024 10:42:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Parky60 wrote:
That's not what you said. You said, "Many times, that verbosity is actually a rational argument that will appear to be excessive verbiage to readers who have already jumped to premature conclusions."

Same thing - different words. If you had ANY reading comprehension it would be obvious to you.

Parky60 wrote:

So you equate verbosity with a rational argument.

Nope, once again, you're reading comprehension fails you. Here are my two statements verbatim...

1. Many times, that verbosity is actually a rational argument that will appear to be excessive verbiage to readers who have already jumped to premature conclusions.

2. In depth analysis for one man is mere verbosity for the fool who has already jumped to premature conclusions.

One statement is just a shorter version of the other and BOTH of them are conditioned on the reader making premature conclusions.

By reading these statements and coming away with "So you equate verbosity with a rational argument." You are openly declaring your illiteracy for all to see.

You wanna keep going Perky?

Parky60 wrote:

IOW you're a verbose poster who writes 25 words when 10 will do just to show off how allegedly intelligent you are. I said it before and I'll say it again... you may have book smarts but you sure as hell aren't wise.

Why don't you focus on the argument instead of attacking the poster because you think he's using too many words? Do you realize how idiotic that looks?

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May 2, 2024 10:47:36   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Parky60 wrote:
Why don't you quit your babbling and STFU already. All you do is parrot every thing from the left that you read.

So when I post something, it's too many words and I'm just being verbose. When someone else uses very few words, they just need to STFU.

Do you even know what we are talking about or are you just here to tell liberals to STFU?

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May 2, 2024 11:43:24   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
straightUp wrote:
So when I post something, it's too many words and I'm just being verbose. When someone else uses very few words, they just need to STFU.

Do you even know what we are talking about or are you just here to tell liberals to STFU?

Of course you'll come to the defense of one of your biggest fans who may be a "person of a few words" but all he ever does is parrot what he reads.

Anyway, it's time to go back to breezing by your verbose and arrogant posts that you think are so clever and intelligent. Like I said, you're not very wise and I'm a little forgetful because I forgot that you're a waste of my time.

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May 2, 2024 12:16:29   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
PeterS wrote:
Yeah, but to be indicted you do something wrong; violate the rule of law.

Actually, Buzzy is correct. An indictment is just an accusation.

PeterS wrote:

None of this came out of the blue. He didn't simply look at Stormy Daniels and was indicted. Now if you don't understand? All rules of law extend from our constitution. That's really its purpose, to give us the legal structure for the country to follow.

Yeah, I gotta step in here too. All rules do NOT extend from our constitution. Our laws... the U.S.Code, for example, is actually based more on Common Law, which we inherited from England. The legal structure that the U.S. Constitution establishes is limited to how the government operates. In fact nothing in our constitution applies to us as citizens at all. You can think of the Constitution as "the rules the government follows", while everyone else follows the U.S.Code and the gazillion laws defined at state and local levels.

PeterS wrote:

Now remember, when Trump took his oath he swore to the god he so loves to uphold the constitution and the rule of law.

Correct. This is why servicemen and politicians all take an oath to uphold the Constitution as a condition for talking the job. The job itself is part of the government. If you don't work for the government you are not subjected to the rules of the Constitution.

PeterS wrote:

This compounds the egregiousness of the crimes that he's committed because he violated his oath when he committed them!

It certainly seems like he did. If not for "the grownups in the room" He would have committed a lot more. The example I always think of is one of his first moves in office, pressing for a ban on ALL Muslims coming to the country. The courts didn't allow it BECAUSE is was a violation of the Constitution's 1st and 5th amendments.

I mean, these Amendments are clear enough for a 5th grader to understand. You can't persecute people based on their race or religion. What part of that does Trump and his groupies not understand? Or is it that they DO understand and Trump was just trying to see what he could get away with? That would make it even more egregious.

I think it's pretty obvious that Trump has been playing this game all along... He knows that it's unconstitutional to persecute people based on race or religion but he also knows that by doing so, he can score political points with his base which is practically founded on bigotry. So he proceeds to intentionally violate his oath to see what he can get away with. This is in perfect alignment with his business practices, where he intentionally lies about things like property value to see what he can get away with.

PeterS wrote:

And, I understand completely. For you MAGA conservatives you could give a flip about anything Trump did while in or out of office. You need the ultimate power and he is your key to getting it. That's a pretty weak key though because his arrogance is going to cause him to go into the election with at least one conviction against him. Remember the Lincoln Conservatives in the 2020 election? They only wanted to peal 4% of the vote away from him...and got it...which sunk his chance for reelection.

So the moral to the story is: indictments do matter because they can not only put you in jail, they can cost you elections and once again deny conservatives their ultimate quest for power!
br And, I understand completely. For you MAGA con... (show quote)

I think there is a growing number of Americans that are starting to see Trump for the crook that he has always been. He STILL hasn't won a popular vote which is the true indicator of the people's will... He lost it by 3 million in 2016 and 8 million in 2020.

As for what influence the indictments have... I think it can go either way. One one hand, people know that good people generally don't get indicted. On the other hand, there is also a growing number of people in America that don't trust the government and might think Trump is being unfairly targeted, which might encourage them to support Trump.

I'm not even sure if a conviction would be any different, given the fanatic support that he gets from bigots that would rather see the Republic give up it's principle of equality and "justice for all" than to see their white supremacy being compromised.

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May 2, 2024 12:23:49   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Parky60 wrote:
Of course you'll come to the defense of one of your biggest fans who may be a "person of a few words" but all he ever does is parrot what he reads.

Anyway, it's time to go back to breezing by your verbose and arrogant posts that you think are so clever and intelligent.

Of course... I wouldn't expect you to stand toe to toe with me. Ignoring my arguments and attempting to insult me instead seems more your speed.

Parky60 wrote:

Like I said, you're not very wise and I'm a little forgetful because I forgot that you're a waste of my time.

Don't blame me for wasting your time. You don't HAVE to read or respond to my posts. That's all on you.

'hope that wasn't too many words for you

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May 2, 2024 12:43:14   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
straightUp wrote:
It won't be a problem for me personally. I'm white and financially secure. In fact, I almost want to Trump to win just so people can see him screw America first hand.

One term is never enough to get the full picture of how bad a president really is. The the first two years is more influenced by the previous president which also means that for two years the next president gets blamed for the results of the current president. This is why presidential failures usually happen in the second term. Trump is the first president to be shitty enough to actually get impeached in his first (and only term) TWICE!

I also think that another Trump term could be the catalyst that finally launches a leftist revolution. Trump followers never notice this but during Trump's one term, groups like the DSA saw massive increases in membership.

During Trump's first term, we saw that his inability to work with Congress forced him to rely on his executive powers which is constitutionally limited to the policies of his administration. Trump will no doubt try to expand that power but doing so will cost him a lot of support as his attempts to create a tyranny will become more obvious.

A second term for Trump will make his real intentions more obvious and that might be what America needs to shake out of these delusions about him and the state of our union.
It won't be a problem for me personally. I'm white... (show quote)


We are too busy watching Biden.Destroy america to worry about donald trump screwing it over

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May 2, 2024 12:45:34   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
I think there is a growing number of Americans that are starting to see Trump for the crook that he has always been. He STILL hasn't won a popular vote which is the true indicator of the people's will... He lost it by 3 million in 2016 and 8 million in 2020.

As for what influence the indictments have... I think it can go either way. One one hand, people know that good people generally don't get indicted. On the other hand, there is also a growing number of people in America that don't trust the government and might think Trump is being unfairly targeted, which might encourage them to support Trump.

I'm not even sure if a conviction would be any different, given the fanatic support that he gets from bigots that would rather see the Republic give up it's principle of equality and "justice for all" than to see their white supremacy being compromised.
I think there is a growing number of Americans tha... (show quote)



" given the fanatic support that he gets from bigots that would rather see the Republic give up it's principle of equality and "justice for all" than to see their white supremacy being compromised.[/quote] "

I imagine the best way you can force yourself to vote for Joe Biden's continued failures is to tell yourself that only bigots and white supremacists support Trump.

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May 2, 2024 13:05:43   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
microphor wrote:
We are too busy watching Biden.Destroy america to worry about donald trump screwing it over

I don't know what you're "watching" but everytime I read something from you people about how Biden is "destroying America", it's always an unproven conspiracy theory, or a reflection of your ignorance, for instance blaming Biden for the post-pandemic inflation.

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May 2, 2024 13:41:33   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't know what you're "watching" but everytime I read something from you people about how Biden is "destroying America", it's always an unproven conspiracy theory, or a reflection of your ignorance, for instance blaming Biden for the post-pandemic inflation.

And yet Biden and his moronic followers blame it on "corporate greed".

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-05/biden-blames-corporate-greed-as-driver-of-us-inflation

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/mar/18/biden-points-finger-at-corporate-greed-as-inflatio/

And so on and so on...

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