PeterS wrote:
Yeah, but to be indicted you do something wrong; violate the rule of law.
Actually, Buzzy is correct. An indictment is just an accusation.
PeterS wrote:
None of this came out of the blue. He didn't simply look at Stormy Daniels and was indicted. Now if you don't understand? All rules of law extend from our constitution. That's really its purpose, to give us the legal structure for the country to follow.
Yeah, I gotta step in here too. All rules do NOT extend from our constitution. Our laws... the U.S.Code, for example, is actually based more on Common Law, which we inherited from England. The legal structure that the U.S. Constitution establishes is limited to how the government operates. In fact nothing in our constitution applies to us as citizens at all. You can think of the Constitution as "the rules the government follows", while everyone else follows the U.S.Code and the gazillion laws defined at state and local levels.
PeterS wrote:
Now remember, when Trump took his oath he swore to the god he so loves to uphold the constitution and the rule of law.
Correct. This is why servicemen and politicians all take an oath to uphold the Constitution as a condition for talking the job. The job itself is part of the government. If you don't work for the government you are not subjected to the rules of the Constitution.
PeterS wrote:
This compounds the egregiousness of the crimes that he's committed because he violated his oath when he committed them!
It certainly seems like he did. If not for "the grownups in the room" He would have committed a lot more. The example I always think of is one of his first moves in office, pressing for a ban on ALL Muslims coming to the country. The courts didn't allow it BECAUSE is was a violation of the Constitution's 1st and 5th amendments.
I mean, these Amendments are clear enough for a 5th grader to understand. You can't persecute people based on their race or religion. What part of that does Trump and his groupies not understand? Or is it that they DO understand and Trump was just trying to see what he could get away with? That would make it even more egregious.
I think it's pretty obvious that Trump has been playing this game all along... He knows that it's unconstitutional to persecute people based on race or religion but he also knows that by doing so, he can score political points with his base which is practically founded on bigotry. So he proceeds to intentionally violate his oath to see what he can get away with. This is in perfect alignment with his business practices, where he intentionally lies about things like property value to see what he can get away with.
PeterS wrote:
And, I understand completely. For you MAGA conservatives you could give a flip about anything Trump did while in or out of office. You need the ultimate power and he is your key to getting it. That's a pretty weak key though because his arrogance is going to cause him to go into the election with at least one conviction against him. Remember the Lincoln Conservatives in the 2020 election? They only wanted to peal 4% of the vote away from him...and got it...which sunk his chance for reelection.
So the moral to the story is: indictments do matter because they can not only put you in jail, they can cost you elections and once again deny conservatives their ultimate quest for power!
br And, I understand completely. For you MAGA con... (
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I think there is a growing number of Americans that are starting to see Trump for the crook that he has always been. He STILL hasn't won a popular vote which is the true indicator of the people's will... He lost it by 3 million in 2016 and 8 million in 2020.
As for what influence the indictments have... I think it can go either way. One one hand, people know that good people generally don't get indicted. On the other hand, there is also a growing number of people in America that don't trust the government and might think Trump is being unfairly targeted, which might encourage them to support Trump.
I'm not even sure if a conviction would be any different, given the fanatic support that he gets from bigots that would rather see the Republic give up it's principle of equality and "justice for all" than to see their white supremacy being compromised.