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Jan 12, 2024 14:16:38   #
American Vet
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I am surprised that you are only referring to it as highly suspect.

The condensed versions of a caper does tend to have half-truths due to its brevity.


IOW - you are posting you usual brand of crap.

Dishonest - but par for you.

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Jan 12, 2024 14:27:15   #
Knightlady
 
pegw wrote:
The only problem with your logic is that it is illegal to overvalue your assets to gain a better deal from the banks. Ill gotten gains can be seized by the government. Trump is a serial criminal and is having his day in court.


If the banks were fine with all transactions then shouldn't over zealous politicians quit telling them how to run their businesses.

How about charging the banks for accepting the values Trump gave them?

How about the losses in profits from future loans for the banks? Think they are happy about that?

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Jan 12, 2024 14:28:47   #
Hydro
 
pegw wrote:
The only problem with your logic is that it is illegal to overvalue your assets to gain a better deal from the banks. Ill gotten gains can be seized by the government. Trump is a serial criminal and is having his day in court.


Pegw - I can go apply for a loan requesting to borrow 1 million dollars putting my home up as collateral- the bank will send their appraiser out to verify the value of my home - if their appraisal comes back at 800,000 - the most they will lend me would be 80% of 800,000 dollars - the bank decides what an asset is worth and once they have decided - what you will be loaned will depend on your credit rating and ability to repay the loan - this is a sham inditements looking to keep Trump from campaigning- and they set it up so New York law makes the judgement it didn’t warrant a jury -

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Jan 12, 2024 14:36:34   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
American Vet wrote:
IOW - you are posting you usual brand of crap.

Dishonest - but par for you.

Dismiss truth at your peril.

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Jan 12, 2024 14:48:24   #
Hydro
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Dismiss truth at your peril.


Rascal you should take your own advice

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Jan 12, 2024 15:03:29   #
Hydro
 
MAGA MAN wrote:
The banks don't complain. What are you trying to say?


You are beating a dead horse - it is obvious banks appraise any asset they are asked to loan on - it is the responsibility of the lender to verify value - when dealing in the dollars at this level - one banker doesn’t make the decision - the request along with the assets being offered for collateral along with credit history and one’s ability to make the payments goes before a loan committee for approval - this fraud trial is a sham being used as a stumbling block for Trump - the judge by his own verbiage has left no doubt he is very bias and had his mind made up befor the first piece of evidence was presented - what ever the outcome from this trial unless innocent is the verdict - will be overturned in a higher court - to bad Trump can’t hold these individuals liable once it is turned over

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Jan 12, 2024 15:12:44   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Kevyn wrote:
It is fraud when the value given in loan applications is falsely high and for taxes is falsely low. These are not a few percentage points of inaccuracies but huge discrepancies that were known to be false. This has already been decided by the court and is water under the bridge, the case that closed today is just determining how much penalty he will pay and wether the fraud was egregious enough to cause him to lose the privilege of doing business in the state of New York. The victims of the fraud are the taxpayers and businesses in New York who play by the rules.
It is fraud when the value given in loan applicati... (show quote)


Properties, homes, cars, boats do not have one value and values go up and down.
Ever hear the term "cash value" or wholesale? How about retail value or market value?
IRS should always only receive cash/wholesale values and banks themselves use the much higher retail values.

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Jan 12, 2024 15:24:27   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Kevyn wrote:
It is fraud when the value given in loan applications is falsely high and for taxes is falsely low. These are not a few percentage points of inaccuracies but huge discrepancies that were known to be false. This has already been decided by the court and is water under the bridge, the case that closed today is just determining how much penalty he will pay and wether the fraud was egregious enough to cause him to lose the privilege of doing business in the state of New York. The victims of the fraud are the taxpayers and businesses in New York who play by the rules.
It is fraud when the value given in loan applicati... (show quote)



This morality lecture comes to us from a man(? I assume it's a man but he doesn't seem to be much of one) who believes it's OK to slaughter a fetus up until it's born. Maybe we should value a lecture from Xaviera Hollander on chastity as much.

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Jan 12, 2024 15:26:33   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Properties, homes, cars, boats do not have one value and values go up and down.
Ever hear the term "cash value" or wholesale? How about retail value or market value?
IRS should always only receive cash/wholesale values and banks themselves use the much higher retail values.



And real estate taxes are assessed by government employees who usually do their own assessments.

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Jan 12, 2024 15:54:53   #
American Vet
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Dismiss truth at your peril.


I do not dismiss the truth.

But I point out that you post lots of opinions - but very little truth.

So feel free to provide evidence/proof of your inane comment.

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Jan 13, 2024 08:01:46   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
IMO
I find it hard to understand the governments position. They say he defrauded banks by over valuing his properties and net worth. But the banks aren't complaining. Huh. They gave him loans based on what they evaluated his net worth to be after getting his opinion, his companies abilities to finish the job and pay back the banks, and how they evaluated Trump in getting the job done on time and paying back the banks on time. He did and they also evaluated this factor in their evaluations of their loans to him and his companies.

Many of us have bought homes and cars. The seller puts out a price. (Possibly over valuating). But if someone walks in and pays that price, was it over valuating? The buyer valued it as that much and maybe more, and bought it. If the buyer offers a lower price, that is the opening of negotiations. Maybe he can get it for less and some extra concessions.

That is all Trump was doing in valuating his net worth on the high end and hoping for an agreement from the banks as to that valuation. They analyzed all the data Trump provided and then investigated his net worth themselves. They they evaluated Donald Trump and his reputation to pay back the loans on time. Trump had a record of finishing projects for less money and before deadlines. They trusted this and added it to their evaluations and gave him the loans. They say their was no fraud.

Who the hell is this dam democrat Judge and democrat DA, with no experience in borrowing money to build hotels, etc, to say there was fraud, and even prejudge the trail before it even started. It is all based on hatred and politics, plain and simple. They should both loose their jobs over this injustice and she should be investigated for funneling money to her F buddy.

Logically Right
IMO br I find it hard to understand the government... (show quote)


This is the kind of society our weak minded left want. UNTIL it happens to them, then they'll be singing a different song. Just like with everything else.

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Jan 13, 2024 08:05:45   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Who the H3LL even brought this suit???? I've heard that the banks and other lending agencies sad they had no problem, they got their money back as requested and in a timely manner. Was it Latecia Slut James....and if so, what standing does she have in the matter?!?! As we ALL know, she campaigned on destroying Trump... NOTHING political there!!!!


I watched a banker telling reporter how the loan process works. He said they have their own appraisers who determine value of properties and understand that borrower's aren't professional appraisers and are usually basing their values on multiple reasons, such as how much something sold for near them. He also said that most applicants like Trump are also assessed by their past loans and rather they were paid in a timely way.

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Jan 13, 2024 13:03:42   #
1ProudAmerican
 
https://video.spreely.com/watch/039-every-real-estate-developer-everywhere-does-this-039-kevin-o-039-leary-reacts-to-trump-civ_beUigY381Fv3isi.html

Kevin O'Leary says EVERY real estate person does what Trump did so they should ALL be brought to trial

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Jan 13, 2024 13:15:16   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
https://video.spreely.com/watch/039-every-real-estate-developer-everywhere-does-this-039-kevin-o-039-leary-reacts-to-trump-civ_beUigY381Fv3isi.html

Kevin O'Leary says EVERY real estate person does what Trump did so they should ALL be brought to trial

Kevin O'Leary is Canadian nut case, calls himself Mr. Wonderful.

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Jan 13, 2024 13:46:04   #
Big Kahuna
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Kevin O'Leary is Canadian nut case, calls himself Mr. Wonderful.


And you are the complete opposite of O'Leary, "Mr. Not So Wonderful".

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