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Jan 11, 2024 15:02:51   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
IMO
I find it hard to understand the governments position. They say he defrauded banks by over valuing his properties and net worth. But the banks aren't complaining. Huh. They gave him loans based on what they evaluated his net worth to be after getting his opinion, his companies abilities to finish the job and pay back the banks, and how they evaluated Trump in getting the job done on time and paying back the banks on time. He did and they also evaluated this factor in their evaluations of their loans to him and his companies.

Many of us have bought homes and cars. The seller puts out a price. (Possibly over valuating). But if someone walks in and pays that price, was it over valuating? The buyer valued it as that much and maybe more, and bought it. If the buyer offers a lower price, that is the opening of negotiations. Maybe he can get it for less and some extra concessions.

That is all Trump was doing in valuating his net worth on the high end and hoping for an agreement from the banks as to that valuation. They analyzed all the data Trump provided and then investigated his net worth themselves. They they evaluated Donald Trump and his reputation to pay back the loans on time. Trump had a record of finishing projects for less money and before deadlines. They trusted this and added it to their evaluations and gave him the loans. They say their was no fraud.

Who the hell is this dam democrat Judge and democrat DA, with no experience in borrowing money to build hotels, etc, to say there was fraud, and even prejudge the trail before it even started. It is all based on hatred and politics, plain and simple. They should both loose their jobs over this injustice and she should be investigated for funneling money to her F buddy.

Logically Right

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Jan 11, 2024 15:05:16   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
IMO
I find it hard to understand the governments position. They say he defrauded banks by over valuing his properties and net worth. But the banks aren't complaining. Huh. They gave him loans based on what they evaluated his net worth to be after getting his opinion, his companies abilities to finish the job and pay back the banks, and how they evaluated Trump in getting the job done on time and paying back the banks on time. He did and they also evaluated this factor in their evaluations of their loans to him and his companies.

Many of us have bought homes and cars. The seller puts out a price. (Possibly over valuating). But if someone walks in and pays that price, was it over valuating? The buyer valued it as that much and maybe more, and bought it. If the buyer offers a lower price, that is the opening of negotiations. Maybe he can get it for less and some extra concessions.

That is all Trump was doing in valuating his net worth on the high end and hoping for an agreement from the banks as to that valuation. They analyzed all the data Trump provided and then investigated his net worth themselves. They they evaluated Donald Trump and his reputation to pay back the loans on time. Trump had a record of finishing projects for less money and before deadlines. They trusted this and added it to their evaluations and gave him the loans. They say their was no fraud.

Who the hell is this dam democrat Judge and democrat DA, with no experience in borrowing money to build hotels, etc, to say there was fraud, and even prejudge the trail before it even started. It is all based on hatred and politics, plain and simple. They should both loose their jobs over this injustice and she should be investigated for funneling money to her F buddy.

Logically Right
IMO br I find it hard to understand the government... (show quote)


Nothing about democrats makes sense.

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Jan 11, 2024 15:24:29   #
1ProudAmerican
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
IMO
I find it hard to understand the governments position. They say he defrauded banks by over valuing his properties and net worth. But the banks aren't complaining. Huh. They gave him loans based on what they evaluated his net worth to be after getting his opinion, his companies abilities to finish the job and pay back the banks, and how they evaluated Trump in getting the job done on time and paying back the banks on time. He did and they also evaluated this factor in their evaluations of their loans to him and his companies.

Many of us have bought homes and cars. The seller puts out a price. (Possibly over valuating). But if someone walks in and pays that price, was it over valuating? The buyer valued it as that much and maybe more, and bought it. If the buyer offers a lower price, that is the opening of negotiations. Maybe he can get it for less and some extra concessions.

That is all Trump was doing in valuating his net worth on the high end and hoping for an agreement from the banks as to that valuation. They analyzed all the data Trump provided and then investigated his net worth themselves. They they evaluated Donald Trump and his reputation to pay back the loans on time. Trump had a record of finishing projects for less money and before deadlines. They trusted this and added it to their evaluations and gave him the loans. They say their was no fraud.

Who the hell is this dam democrat Judge and democrat DA, with no experience in borrowing money to build hotels, etc, to say there was fraud, and even prejudge the trail before it even started. It is all based on hatred and politics, plain and simple. They should both loose their jobs over this injustice and she should be investigated for funneling money to her F buddy.

Logically Right
IMO br I find it hard to understand the government... (show quote)


Who the H3LL even brought this suit???? I've heard that the banks and other lending agencies sad they had no problem, they got their money back as requested and in a timely manner. Was it Latecia S**t James....and if so, what standing does she have in the matter?!?! As we ALL know, she campaigned on destroying Trump... NOTHING political there!!!!

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Jan 11, 2024 15:26:08   #
MAGA MAN Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Who the H3LL even brought this suit???? I've heard that the banks and other lending agencies sad they had no problem, they got their money back as requested and in a timely manner. Was it Latecia S**t James....and if so, what standing does she have in the matter?!?! As we ALL know, she campaigned on destroying Trump... NOTHING political there!!!!


It's all a b.s. claim to bring down a great man.

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Jan 11, 2024 15:28:52   #
Kevyn
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
IMO
I find it hard to understand the governments position. They say he defrauded banks by over valuing his properties and net worth. But the banks aren't complaining. Huh. They gave him loans based on what they evaluated his net worth to be after getting his opinion, his companies abilities to finish the job and pay back the banks, and how they evaluated Trump in getting the job done on time and paying back the banks on time. He did and they also evaluated this factor in their evaluations of their loans to him and his companies.

Many of us have bought homes and cars. The seller puts out a price. (Possibly over valuating). But if someone walks in and pays that price, was it over valuating? The buyer valued it as that much and maybe more, and bought it. If the buyer offers a lower price, that is the opening of negotiations. Maybe he can get it for less and some extra concessions.

That is all Trump was doing in valuating his net worth on the high end and hoping for an agreement from the banks as to that valuation. They analyzed all the data Trump provided and then investigated his net worth themselves. They they evaluated Donald Trump and his reputation to pay back the loans on time. Trump had a record of finishing projects for less money and before deadlines. They trusted this and added it to their evaluations and gave him the loans. They say their was no fraud.

Who the hell is this dam democrat Judge and democrat DA, with no experience in borrowing money to build hotels, etc, to say there was fraud, and even prejudge the trail before it even started. It is all based on hatred and politics, plain and simple. They should both loose their jobs over this injustice and she should be investigated for funneling money to her F buddy.

Logically Right
IMO br I find it hard to understand the government... (show quote)

It is fraud when the value given in loan applications is falsely high and for taxes is falsely low. These are not a few percentage points of inaccuracies but huge discrepancies that were known to be false. This has already been decided by the court and is water under the bridge, the case that closed today is just determining how much penalty he will pay and wether the fraud was egregious enough to cause him to lose the privilege of doing business in the state of New York. The victims of the fraud are the taxpayers and businesses in New York who play by the rules.

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Jan 11, 2024 15:52:44   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Kevyn wrote:
It is fraud when the value given in loan applications is falsely high and for taxes is falsely low. These are not a few percentage points of inaccuracies but huge discrepancies that were known to be false. This has already been decided by the court and is water under the bridge, the case that closed today is just determining how much penalty he will pay and wether the fraud was egregious enough to cause him to lose the privilege of doing business in the state of New York. The victims of the fraud are the taxpayers and businesses in New York who play by the rules.
It is fraud when the value given in loan applicati... (show quote)


***This has already been decided by the court
>>>Without a trial by obvious prejudicial bias by a Judge who h**es Trump. No fair judgment there.

***The victims of the fraud are the taxpayers and businesses in New York who play by the rules.
>>>There was no fraud and he played by the rules. There is no absolute value and each player makes there own estimate and negotiations begin.

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Jan 11, 2024 16:16:23   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Who the H3LL even brought this suit???? I've heard that the banks and other lending agencies sad they had no problem, they got their money back as requested and in a timely manner. Was it Latecia S**t James....and if so, what standing does she have in the matter?!?! As we ALL know, she campaigned on destroying Trump... NOTHING political there!!!!

Victimless crime.
https://donewiththebulls**t.quora.com/If-Donald-Trump-did-inflate-the-values-of-his-properties-when-applying-for-loans-as-Letitia-James-contends-who-was-hu-66?ch=17&oid=1477743726704688&share=095a5629&srid=xCABS&target_type=answer

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Jan 11, 2024 16:29:02   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
There was no victim. The banks made money. They declared they were not victimized.

What part of dirty politics don't you understand?

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Jan 11, 2024 19:45:25   #
Kevyn
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***This has already been decided by the court
>>>Without a trial by obvious prejudicial bias by a Judge who h**es Trump. No fair judgment there.

***The victims of the fraud are the taxpayers and businesses in New York who play by the rules.
>>>There was no fraud and he played by the rules. There is no absolute value and each player makes there own estimate and negotiations begin.


Trump hired i***ts as lawyers who didn’t request a jury. Likely sk**led attorneys require compensation. The actions of a clown, he is as lousy a felon as he was a president.

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Jan 11, 2024 21:34:41   #
1ProudAmerican
 
MAGA MAN wrote:
It's all a b.s. claim to bring down a great man.


TOTALLY!!!! FA James should be prosecuted and thrown in the clink with lesbians.

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Jan 12, 2024 07:50:46   #
Big Kahuna
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Who the H3LL even brought this suit???? I've heard that the banks and other lending agencies sad they had no problem, they got their money back as requested and in a timely manner. Was it Latecia S**t James....and if so, what standing does she have in the matter?!?! As we ALL know, she campaigned on destroying Trump... NOTHING political there!!!!


Leticia S**t James is herself overvalued. She thinks her value is priceless while her real value is around zero. She should be imprisoned for impersonating a banker and stripped of any credentials that she currently has.

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Jan 12, 2024 10:00:47   #
MAGA MAN Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
TOTALLY!!!! FA James should be prosecuted and thrown in the clink with lesbians.


Yes.

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Jan 12, 2024 10:30:50   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
IMO
I find it hard to understand the governments position. They say he defrauded banks by over valuing his properties and net worth. But the banks aren't complaining. Huh. They gave him loans based on what they evaluated his net worth to be after getting his opinion, his companies abilities to finish the job and pay back the banks, and how they evaluated Trump in getting the job done on time and paying back the banks on time. He did and they also evaluated this factor in their evaluations of their loans to him and his companies.

Many of us have bought homes and cars. The seller puts out a price. (Possibly over valuating). But if someone walks in and pays that price, was it over valuating? The buyer valued it as that much and maybe more, and bought it. If the buyer offers a lower price, that is the opening of negotiations. Maybe he can get it for less and some extra concessions.

That is all Trump was doing in valuating his net worth on the high end and hoping for an agreement from the banks as to that valuation. They analyzed all the data Trump provided and then investigated his net worth themselves. They they evaluated Donald Trump and his reputation to pay back the loans on time. Trump had a record of finishing projects for less money and before deadlines. They trusted this and added it to their evaluations and gave him the loans. They say their was no fraud.

Who the hell is this dam democrat Judge and democrat DA, with no experience in borrowing money to build hotels, etc, to say there was fraud, and even prejudge the trail before it even started. It is all based on hatred and politics, plain and simple. They should both loose their jobs over this injustice and she should be investigated for funneling money to her F buddy.

Logically Right
IMO br I find it hard to understand the government... (show quote)



One man's junk is another's collectors' item.

Both the Judge and the AG should be prosecuted for crimes against The Constitution. And that gets to another problem. There are no teeth in The Constitution. For any law that is passed, the individual usually has to show injury. If a law or action is ruled unconstitutional, the only penalty is that the law is overturned.

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Jan 12, 2024 12:04:24   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
IMO
I find it hard to understand the governments position. They say he defrauded banks by over valuing his properties and net worth. But the banks aren't complaining. Huh. They gave him loans based on what they evaluated his net worth to be after getting his opinion, his companies abilities to finish the job and pay back the banks, and how they evaluated Trump in getting the job done on time and paying back the banks on time. He did and they also evaluated this factor in their evaluations of their loans to him and his companies.

Many of us have bought homes and cars. The seller puts out a price. (Possibly over valuating). But if someone walks in and pays that price, was it over valuating? The buyer valued it as that much and maybe more, and bought it. If the buyer offers a lower price, that is the opening of negotiations. Maybe he can get it for less and some extra concessions.

That is all Trump was doing in valuating his net worth on the high end and hoping for an agreement from the banks as to that valuation. They analyzed all the data Trump provided and then investigated his net worth themselves. They they evaluated Donald Trump and his reputation to pay back the loans on time. Trump had a record of finishing projects for less money and before deadlines. They trusted this and added it to their evaluations and gave him the loans. They say their was no fraud.

Who the hell is this dam democrat Judge and democrat DA, with no experience in borrowing money to build hotels, etc, to say there was fraud, and even prejudge the trail before it even started. It is all based on hatred and politics, plain and simple. They should both loose their jobs over this injustice and she should be investigated for funneling money to her F buddy.

Logically Right
IMO br I find it hard to understand the government... (show quote)


In business he sets a value then the bank does their numbers sets their value they both meet somewhere in the middle it's called doing BUSINESS. It like people keep harping look how many times he declared bankruptcy. Why cant they get it straight he buys business cheap that's in trouble the business then files bankruptcy to clear old debt. Renames it gets it back on its feet and sells it profit simple

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Jan 12, 2024 12:08:53   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
bggamers wrote:
In business he sets a value then the bank does their numbers sets their value they both meet somewhere in the middle it's called doing BUSINESS. It like people keep harping look how many times he declared bankruptcy. Why cant they get it straight he buys business cheap that's in trouble the business then files bankruptcy to clear old debt. Renames it gets it back on its feet and sells it profit simple

Why cant they get it straight?

They can’t get it straight because this is crap.

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