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Feb 11, 2023 21:22:10   #
ForThePeople
 
ForThePeople wrote:
OK - then please explain to me what Pro Choice really means in ACTIONS OTHER THAN ABORTION, especially for ones that are pregnant.

I'm simply categorizing those who push abortion apart from those that don't.


That's how I thought you'd "answer".

Let's get our terms straight.

The ONLY "PRO CHOICE" ACTION WHEN PREGNANT IS ABORTION.
Period.
Exclamation Point.

Unless of course you can show otherwise.
Buehler? Buehler? Buehler?

Anything else is called BIRTH CONTROL.

Abortion and birth control are NOT synonymous.

Those terms have been intentionally bastardized to purposely cloud the issue, especially for young easily influenced kids.



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Feb 12, 2023 14:15:30   #
Ricktloml
 
Rose42 wrote:
As I said its your opinion. Do you understand the meaning of what you posted? It doesn’t mean one is pro abortion because they think a woman should be able to choose. I’ve only met a few people who were really pro abortion and they were all women who used it as a form of birth control. W

Personally I think its wrong and would not support that choice.




Wow. I hesitate to wade into this semantic debate, but a dictionary definition of a word is more than just a personal opinion. In the context of abortion...choice is synonymous with abortion. Where pro-abortion is the subject...choice means abortion. What is being chosen? Whether to abort a baby or not. It is an sick euphemism to reduce the ugly truth of what "choice"/abortion actually is.

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Feb 12, 2023 15:21:33   #
Rose42
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Wow. I hesitate to wade into this semantic debate, but a dictionary definition of a word is more than just a personal opinion. In the context of abortion...choice is synonymous with abortion. Where pro-abortion is the subject...choice means abortion. What is being chosen? Whether to abort a baby or not. It is an sick euphemism to reduce the ugly truth of what "choice"/abortion actually is.


Choice is not synonymous with abortion - many more choose life.

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Feb 12, 2023 15:47:12   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
ForThePeople wrote:
That's how I thought you'd "answer".

Let's get our terms straight.

The ONLY "PRO CHOICE" ACTION WHEN PREGNANT IS ABORTION.
Period.
Exclamation Point.

Unless of course you can show otherwise.
Buehler? Buehler? Buehler?

Anything else is called BIRTH CONTROL.

Abortion and birth control are NOT synonymous.

Those terms have been intentionally bastardized to purposely cloud the issue, especially for young easily influenced kids.


You stated, "The ONLY "PRO-CHOICE" ACTION WHEN PREGNANT IS ABORTION."

No, another choice is to carry the baby to full term and give birth. That is a choice. furthermore, another choice is to give the baby up for adoption. That too is a choice. Neither of these involves abortion or birth control. Both are an alternative "CHOICE" to abortion and/or contraception.

Additionally, according to #3 of your dictionary definition; "The act or process of deliberating limiting the number of one's children born, especially by conception," notice the words used are ", especially by conception," rather than "only by conception." Therefore, abortion could be used to limit the number of one's children born by the definition you provided. That's not to say that I favor abortion. I do not! Abortion is an abomination, except in rare instances where it is a medical necessity for the mother (less than 1% of abortions).



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Feb 12, 2023 16:39:29   #
ForThePeople
 
dtucker300 wrote:
You stated, "The ONLY "PRO-CHOICE" ACTION WHEN PREGNANT IS ABORTION."

No, another choice is to carry the baby to full term and give birth. That is a choice. furthermore, another choice is to give the baby up for adoption. That too is a choice. Neither of these involves abortion or birth control. Both are an alternative "CHOICE" to abortion and/or contraception.

Additionally, according to #3 of your dictionary definition; "The act or process of deliberating limiting the number of one's children born, especially by conception," notice the words used are ", especially by conception," rather than "only by conception." Therefore, abortion could be used to limit the number of one's children born by the definition you provided. That's not to say that I favor abortion. I do not! Abortion is an abomination, except in rare instances where it is a medical necessity for the mother (less than 1% of abortions).
You stated, "The ONLY "PRO-CHOICE" ... (show quote)


The notion to carry a baby to full term is typically labeled "Pro Life" not "Pro Choice". Adoption is a choice "Pro Lifers" could potentially make due to extenuating circumstances AFTER they intentionally did NOT interfere with a child's birth.

The "Pro Choicers" are the same ones that promote abortion. That's why they use that phrase - to camoflage the actual intent to make it sound more palatable and humaniistic.

100% agree with your last 3 sentences.

Like you, I don't agree with the typical use of abortion, nor saying YOU are against it but thinking it's OK for others to do it.

It's ALWAYS wrong in almost any circumstance whether it's labeled Pro Choice or not.

I think you and I are pretty much on the same gage here and I'm very happy that we're able to converse civilly

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Feb 12, 2023 16:56:39   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
ForThePeople wrote:
The notion to carry a baby to full term is typically labeled "Pro Life" not "Pro Choice". Adoption is a choice "Pro Lifers" could potentially make due to extenuating circumstances AFTER they intentionally did NOT interfere with a child's birth.

The "Pro Choicers" are the same ones that promote abortion. That's why they use that phrase - to camoflage the actual intent to make it sound more palatable and humaniistic.

100% agree with your last 3 sentences.

Like you, I don't agree with the typical use of abortion, nor saying YOU are against it but thinking it's OK for others to do it.

It's ALWAYS wrong in almost any circumstance whether it's labeled Pro Choice or not.

I think you and I are pretty much on the same gage here and I'm very happy that we're able to converse civilly
The notion to carry a baby to full term is typical... (show quote)


Not all Pro-choicers promote abortion. Some who are pro-choice would never abort their own baby, and although they may think abortion is an abomination, they don't feel they should dictate to everyone else how to deal with an abortion. I don't agree with their position because the baby has no say in the outcome. The biblical teaching is that the preborn child should be treated as a person from the moment of conception, I believe life begins at conception. Who will speak for the unborn?

There are many people who have been born where it seems it would have been better if the parents had aborted the baby...Hitler comes immediately to mind. However, there is no way to tell who is and isn't evil incarnate. Here's a citation from Randy Alcorn (Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments, [Portland, OR: Multnomah, 1992], 175) quoting a medical school professor who told about the following case study and asked students what they would do:

The father had syphilis and the mother had tuberculosis. Of four previous children, the first was blind, the second died, the third was both deaf and dumb, and the fourth had tuberculosis. What would you advise the woman to do when she finds herself pregnant again?

One student answered, "I would advise an abortion." Then the professor said, "Congratulations.... You have just killed Beethoven."

Well now, I'm glad we got that settled.

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Feb 12, 2023 17:05:00   #
ForThePeople
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Well now, I'm glad we got that settled.


Me too amigo

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Feb 12, 2023 17:22:42   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
ForThePeople wrote:
Me too amigo


Have a great day. It will shortly be time to turn on the Super Bowl. Any predictions? I'm rooting for Philadelphia Eagles, but I think if Mahomes is spot on today then KC Chiefs will roll over them. If the Eagles can contain Mahomes, they have a good shot at winning.

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Feb 12, 2023 17:51:10   #
ForThePeople
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Have a great day. It will shortly be time to turn on the Super Bowl. Any predictions? I'm rooting for Philadelphia Eagles, but I think if Mahomes is spot on today then KC Chiefs will roll over them. If the Eagles can contain Mahomes, they have a good shot at winning.


I like KC.

Not sure if Mahome's high ankle sprain is OK though.

I think that guy is really special and is kinda redefining the QB position in that he has so many different release points along with his scrambling ability.

Truth is, no skin in the game so all I really want is a good close game, which is not normal these days.

Enjoy my friend!!

They're wrapping up thw WM Phoenix Open in Scottsdale then the Super Bowl in Glendale.

Crazy day there!!

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