Exactly right. Blaming our messes on God just doesn't fly. God is not in control and never has been. The whole fable of "God gave us Free Will" hinges on the story of creation. We know that we weren't created, we evolved over literally billions of years. If God could give us free will, then that means that God could also take it away and that means that God is in control of us.

This is the crap that the fat priests tell people to keep them afraid of God and in line. "God will punish you for your sins". Bullshit. God doesn't punish anyone for anything and never has. All that hateful, abusive stuff that God supposedly did in the Old Testament is nothing but a load. Life is dangerous and often hard. It always has been but we've made things a lot better for ourselves over the ages, we no longer die by the age of 40, covered in scars, and most of our newborn at least reach maturity, and God had nothing to do with any of it.

God has never placed us, his children, in a game as pawns. We are kings and queens, princes and princesses in his army. We can have the strength of his almighty hand and his promise to avenge his children. There are extreme benefits to serving a Lord who gives meaning to life. We can follow His loving covenants or rebel and pay the price for there is a consequence of that rebellion. Our laws were based on the first law of God known to be called " the ten commandments". God wanted to communicate his live to protect man from the evilness that is prevalent in this world. His words to us are an assurance of peace and prosperity and trust that He would protect and save us from that evil. Free choice was God being very generous and caring, but still knowing that we needed to be disciplined to keep us from going "wild". He's not a control freak but a loving father who really wants us to be able to prosper and learn by our mistakes. The speed bumps of life can knock us down but we have an advocate in Him. All we have to do is call out and He will help us. He wishes for us to communicate daily, as we were created for His pleasure. He loves hearing from us. He also warned us of certain road blocks and storms that would be challenges for us, but always made a way to escape by calling on Him. Pretty simple. So simple most men trip on the simplicity of a loving caring God. I say ask Him to show you how wonderful He truly is. You'll have a more abundant life with Him in it.��

God asks one thing of man, are you with me or are you with Satan? There's no walking the fence. Either go whole hog for God or suffer consequences serving Satan who hates you and doesn't want you to prosper or have peace or value of living. Satan knows where to apply the glitter so we get tempted, but God wants our consciousness to correct our actions so that we don't make mistakes. How loving is that? Choice is offered by love, destruction is signs of rebellion that will cause death. Not just to the soul if msn but his conscience and that takes him into danger. God advocates a refuge from that danger. What a wonderful loving God. He wants all mankind to prosper and live in peace without hatred or malice of any kind. The senseless battle for who is "best" falls under idiocy. God knows it but free will allows us to blunder. He can't stop stupid. He watches from on high wondering when we'll finally call on Him. His available 24/7. He allows U-turns.
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If god is in control, then the mess we are in is Gods mess & he willed us to be in this mess.

We are here in a mess that mankind made & mankind has to work its way out of it.

If you believe God is in control, then we are just pawns in a game.

Look at it this way. If God controls us we have no freewill.

If we have no freewill we do what God ordains & are sinners because God wishes it so.

I say we do have freewill & we are here on earth to use it.

It is our use of of the freewill that God has given us that will lead us to make the right use of it.

If god is in control, then the mess we are in is Gods mess & he willed us to be in this mess.

We are here in a mess that mankind made & mankind has to work its way out of it.

If you believe God is in control, then we are just pawns in a game.

Look at it this way. If God controls us we have no freewill.

If we have no freewill we do what God ordains & are sinners because God wishes it so.

I say we do have freewill & we are here on earth to use it.

It is our use of of the freewill that God has given us that will lead us to make the right use of it.

Christianity teaches that God made everything, gave Man "dominion over" everything on the planet, and gave Man Free Will. At the same time it teaches that God causes things to happen here on Earth, turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt and so on, and punished the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. That's not exactly conducive to the old Free Will concept, if God hands out orders and kills you for disobeying., now is it?

The Christian god is in conflict with itself. The Old Testament god is full of human anger, jealousy and retribution. The New Testament god is all peace and love and forgiveness.Two different gods. No wonder it gets confusing.

God isn't in control of our lives but we can give God responsibility for dealing with our problems by giving those problems to God and letting go of them. Totally letting go of them. God can't fix things while someone else is holding on to them and still trying to fix them. You have to utterly give them away, to fully let go. Then God can be a part of your life.

But cause the messes we get into, the disasters that happen? No. God has nothing to do with that.

How self-important some humans can be, to look at the unimaginably vast Universe that we're such a speck in, and think that God is so concerned with us. There must be life on billions of planets, and God's love is unconditional. That also means undiscriminating. When you can understand that God loves a solitary ant as much as you, then you're starting to get it.

Your 1st sentence makes no sense. God is in control but the mess that we are in is our own doing because he allows us choice. As far as us just being pawns in the game I would say are absolutely right about that. Let me explain it to you this way: I certainly understand your thinking. 10 years ago, I felt much the same way. The fact of the matter is, the more repentant you are and the more you do his will, the more understanding you will have about him and his ways and the more you will be in acceptance with it. He really does love us and want the best for us, but I still feel the 10 Commandments should have been named "God suggestions for peace of mind and a good life". Can you imagine if everyone more than anything else wanted to do his will, -- the peace, prosperity and harmony that we would have (no needs for prisons, mental hospitals locks on our doors or cars, or even need for a paycheck or paying for food at the market, If Everyone TOTALY wanted to do his will) But unfortunately like every other organism on this planet we put ourselves 1st last and always to the detriment of everyone else as well as ourselves. The way it is, is that if we want to be our own God, and the God and master our own lives, feeding our ego and indulging in self gratification, so then God lets us have our own way, and we will spend eternity without him and among all the other selfish, egotistical and evil creatures. So, you make your own bed, have the freedom to choose between good and evil and you will lie in the bed you make. You can't really blame God for allowing you that freedom when you know you wouldn't have it any other way. I mean you would want to be a choiceless robot ? ?? ??? By the way do you know they found Sodom and Gomorrah. It's the only place on earth where brimstone is more than 40%. It is 98 % pure there. (Brimstone is a rock that burns and smells like sulfur when it burns -- look it up on YouTube) Also just think about it; if you are a God who was the author of truth, creating a bunch of creatures and gave them a bunch of directives for the good of all of them to live together in harmony and have good lives, & then when they went their own way and ignore you making war upon each other, and perpetrating criminal actions on each other, what would you do ? ?? ??? --- Really; --- Think about it for a while. If you go ahead and think about that for a while and try to even put yourself in God's position, you might realize that God is not about to let humanity set up an atheistic worldwide secular humanistic Sodom and Gomorrah that ignores him & his directives of the 10 Commandments and just leaves them out. After all -- Would You ???????????????? I think not !

If you watch the video at the bottom you will see God's manipulation & timing and human events for the purpose of his own good pleasure and glory. The coincidences involved in this video in order to manipulate the situation regarding what I said about what God is not going allowe to happen has God's fingerprints all over it. The facts of this fascinating video also demonstrate how God is using Obama and has put him here for the purpose of humanities coming near destruction. (But through our blindness to God's wisdom we have done it to ourselves by electing him) After putting 2 and 2 together from watching this video I have come to believe Obama is part of God's plan and is probably untouchable in spite of his distructive unlawful treasonous behavior. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFCQvvXSwx4

If god is in control, then the mess we are in is Gods mess & he willed us to be in this mess.

We are here in a mess that mankind made & mankind has to work its way out of it.

If you believe God is in control, then we are just pawns in a game.

Look at it this way. If God controls us we have no freewill.

If we have no freewill we do what God ordains & are sinners because God wishes it so.

I say we do have freewill & we are here on earth to use it.

It is our use of of the freewill that God has given us that will lead us to make the right use of it.

There is no half way in this. Is God in control of our day to day doings or not. It isn't about his power.

if we have freewill then how each of us relates to that is how we need to live our day to day life's.

The faith or lack of faith in God is personal & there for if you have faith in God show it in the way you live & deal with others.

I see very little of the love of God being shown on others on this site.

So I say if you truly have the love of God in you heart & all the others that feel the same way then why has it not come to pass after all these years there is still so much hate in the world?

If god is in control, then the mess we are in is Gods mess & he willed us to be in this mess.

We are here in a mess that mankind made & mankind has to work its way out of it.

If you believe God is in control, then we are just pawns in a game.

Look at it this way. If God controls us we have no freewill.

If we have no freewill we do what God ordains & are sinners because God wishes it so.

I say we do have freewill & we are here on earth to use it.

It is our use of of the freewill that God has given us that will lead us to make the right use of it.