Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

You didn't answer the question. "What mess?"

Can you explain what the mess is? Or is the "mess" beyond your comprehension?

Olden McGroen Loc: Texas

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A man dealing in absolutes is a man that has nothing to learn.

Blacksheep

And a man making an absolute statement about me is an i***t and you can't fix stupid. That statement is also an absolute, and absolutely true as well.

Anyone who says the sky is up is dealing in absolutes. But you say that man has nothing to learn. What book are you reading your moronic aphorisms from?

Now what, self-righteous, pompous big mouth?

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

As this statement deals in absolutes...

How long has it been since you learned anything?

Hartbreaker

You my want to believe that but science teaches us many things. One is that there has to be a creator, a first cause to get the universe started. Another, complicated things that change only get corrupted, not more complicated.

There is no way the universe was not created so there has to be a god. Evolution is a bunch of bunk. If DNA changes, the result is not going to be better. Even if another species was developed, if it reproduces sexually, it needs a mate and the odds against it finding a similarly changed life form is so low that new species cannot be developed.

This is why scientists talk about species explosions. They teach that the rules change a periods of times and all of a sudden new species being created is possible and then after a few centuries, it goes back to normal and they are not created. But they cannot explain why this happens.

Do some research, and you will find that science has not found answers to the problem of speciation. With each new discovery, it seems even more impossible. It was easy to believe in Darwin's time when we did not understand DNA. Now it takes more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in God.

"New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy" by Robert J Spitzer
“The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict Fully Updated To Answer The Questions Challenging Christians Today” by Josh McDowell
"Gods Undertaker, Has Science Buried God" by John Lennox
"The Reason for God" by Tim Keller
"Signature in the Cell" by Stephen Meyers
"The Language of God" by Francis Collins

Blacksheep

"Do some research" says the person who never has to the person with the Doctorate. "Evolution is a bunch of bunk."

You don't comprehend what you read. I never said there is no God. Never. I said that God is not what some people seem to think God is. It's not God that I refute, it's dogma and doctrine.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

What you say is a much like I think on this issue.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I feel that we do do show others the respect we should give to each other.

There is just to much h**e & discord in the world.

I guess that I used the word mess because most of us feel that things are wrong & some things could be better.

We seem to be so divided that we are unable to come together & find ways to get along better.

Olden McGroen Loc: Texas

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Name-calling is the first sign of an empty head. You might want to try some breathing exercises to help you calm down. Good grief! Look, I'm simply reading your "absolute understanding" of God and the universe and it's quite entertaining. It's a hodge-podge of this and that. But, hey, if that's where you live, I'm cool with it.

You do realize that your firm beliefs (aka absolutes) are based on theories and interpretation and not actual absolutes, right?

Blacksheep

Wait a sec. First you say that I'm dealing with absolutes and that means that I'm incapable of learning - somehow. Sounds like nonsense but anyway....
Now you say that what you call my absolutes are not absolutes. You go even further and call what I know "Firm beliefs". They're not "firm beliefs", what I know is what I know, not what I believe. Difficult concept for you, no doubt. But try this: You stub your toe and it hurts. You don't for one second believe that it hurts, you know damn well it does. See the difference? Hmm? Beliefs are things you don't know, that you haven't had personal experience with. Okay?

I don't have beliefs or theories. You do realize that you are making assumptions based on your interpretation of your own limited knowledge and experience, don't you?

"Name calling is the first sign of an empty head"? Really? Saying childish things like that is far more so. That's the equivalent of "neener neener" and "yeah, you're another one".

And last, if you're "cool with it", then why didn't you leave it alone instead of making your flippant little remark? You don't really know when to shut up, do you? I bet you were always getting into trouble for running your mouth.

We're done talking. I think all you really want is some attention, but you'll have to get it from someone else. Bye.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

Hello B****sheep! You know you don't believe as I do, and I don't believe as you do, but you do put up a pretty firm case for your side.
It was good reading you again~

Steve700

Your 1st sentence makes no sense. God is in control but the mess that we are in is our own doing because he allows us choice. As far as us just being pawns in the game I would say are absolutely right about that. Let me explain it to you this way: I certainly understand your thinking. 10 years ago, I felt much the same way. The fact of the matter is, the more repentant you are and the more you do his will, the more understanding you will have about him and his ways and the more you will be in acceptance with it. He really does love us and want the best for us, but I still feel the 10 Commandments should have been named "God suggestions for peace of mind and a good life". Can you imagine if everyone more than anything else wanted to do his will, -- the peace, prosperity and harmony that we would have (no needs for prisons, mental hospitals locks on our doors or cars, or even need for a paycheck or paying for food at the market, If Everyone TOTALY wanted to do his will) But unfortunately like every other organism on this planet we put ourselves 1st last and always to the detriment of everyone else as well as ourselves. The way it is, is that if we want to be our own God, and the God and master our own lives, feeding our ego and indulging in self gratification, so then God lets us have our own way, and we will spend eternity without him and among all the other selfish, egotistical and evil creatures. So, you make your own bed, have the freedom to choose between good and evil and you will lie in the bed you make. You can't really blame God for allowing you that freedom when you know you wouldn't have it any other way. I mean you would want to be a choiceless robot ? ?? ??? By the way do you know they found Sodom and Gomorrah. It's the only place on earth where brimstone is more than 40%. It is 98 % pure there. (Brimstone is a rock that burns and smells like sulfur when it burns -- look it up on YouTube) Also just think about it; if you are a God who was the author of t***h, creating a bunch of creatures and gave them a bunch of directives for the good of all of them to live together in harmony and have good lives, & then when they went their own way and ignore you making war upon each other, and perpetrating criminal actions on each other, what would you do ? ?? ??? --- Really; --- Think about it for a while. If you go ahead and think about that for a while and try to even put yourself in God's position, you might realize that God is not about to let humanity set up an atheistic worldwide secular humanistic Sodom and Gomorrah that ignores him & his directives of the 10 Commandments and just leaves them out. After all -- Would You ???????????????? I think not !

If you watch the video at the bottom you will see God's manipulation & timing and human events for the purpose of his own good pleasure and glory. The coincidences involved in this video in order to manipulate the situation regarding what I said about what God is not going allowe to happen has God's fingerprints all over it. The facts of this fascinating video also demonstrate how God is using Obama and has put him here for the purpose of humanities coming near destruction. (But through our blindness to God's wisdom we have done it to ourselves by electing him) After putting 2 and 2 together from watching this video I have come to believe Obama is part of God's plan and is probably untouchable in spite of his distructive unlawful treasonous behavior. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFCQvvXSwx4

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

This is somewhat simplistic but this is how I see it, we are all on a playing field that was created by God, the choice is ours on how we are going to play the game (Life). Work hard, play fair, get up and keep going whenever your'e knocked down or you can lie, c***t and steal your way through the game (Life).

milgard

God has never placed us, his children, in a game as pawns. We are kings and queens, princes and princesses in his army. We can have the strength of his almighty hand and his promise to avenge his children. There are extreme benefits to serving a Lord who gives meaning to life. We can follow His loving covenants or rebel and pay the price for there is a consequence of that r*******n. Our laws were based on the first law of God known to be called " the ten commandments". God wanted to communicate his live to protect man from the evilness that is prevalent in this world. His words to us are an assurance of peace and prosperity and trust that He would protect and save us from that evil. Free choice was God being very generous and caring, but still knowing that we needed to be disciplined to keep us from going "wild". He's not a control freak but a loving father who really wants us to be able to prosper and learn by our mistakes. The speed bumps of life can knock us down but we have an advocate in Him. All we have to do is call out and He will help us. He wishes for us to communicate daily, as we were created for His pleasure. He loves hearing from us. He also warned us of certain road blocks and storms that would be challenges for us, but always made a way to escape by calling on Him. Pretty simple. So simple most men trip on the simplicity of a loving caring God. I say ask Him to show you how wonderful He truly is. You'll have a more abundant life with Him in it.��

milgard

God has never placed us, his children, in a game as pawns. We are kings and queens, princes and princesses in his army. We can have the strength of his almighty hand and his promise to avenge his children. There are extreme benefits to serving a Lord who gives meaning to life. We can follow His loving covenants or rebel and pay the price for there is a consequence of that r*******n. Our laws were based on the first law of God known to be called " the ten commandments". God wanted to communicate his live to protect man from the evilness that is prevalent in this world. His words to us are an assurance of peace and prosperity and trust that He would protect and save us from that evil. Free choice was God being very generous and caring, but still knowing that we needed to be disciplined to keep us from going "wild". He's not a control freak but a loving father who really wants us to be able to prosper and learn by our mistakes. The speed bumps of life can knock us down but we have an advocate in Him. All we have to do is call out and He will help us. He wishes for us to communicate daily, as we were created for His pleasure. He loves hearing from us. He also warned us of certain road blocks and storms that would be challenges for us, but always made a way to escape by calling on Him. Pretty simple. So simple most men trip on the simplicity of a loving caring God. I say ask Him to show you how wonderful He truly is. You'll have a more abundant life with Him in it.��