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May 10, 2022 13:11:44   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Donagurl wrote:
Its for the women ...u care more about a lump of cells that is not a life yet or viable outside the womb more than the women's life

I'm a clump of cells, am I a life?

How can a baby grow inside the womb if it isn't life?

Is a "clump of cells" two month old baby not life if it can't survive the womb on its own?

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May 10, 2022 13:31:16   #
Nelson7
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Since you do not believe that baby in the womb is a life do you support repealing every law that makes it a crime to cause the baby's deah through a criminal act?


I am ok with following the Bible and treating it as a property crime. (Exodus 21:22)

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May 10, 2022 13:41:52   #
Army
 
Nelson7 wrote:
I am ok with following the Bible and treating it as a property crime. (Exodus 21:22)


Property is not life creation is Life is in the blood

Psalms 127:3 - Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. Job 31:15 - Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?

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May 10, 2022 13:55:00   #
Donagurl
 
Parky60 wrote:
I'm a clump of cells, am I a life?

How can a baby grow inside the womb if it isn't life?

Is a "clump of cells" two month old baby not life if it can't survive the womb on its own?


No I do not consider that a life yet

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May 10, 2022 14:00:34   #
Donagurl
 
EmilyD wrote:
Development of human life begins immediately upon fertilization of a woman's egg by a man's sperm. Here's how it happens.....

It's just a matter of time before science and technology make it possible to see without doubt that life begins at the time of conception - fertilization. We're almost there...so far, this is what scientists are seeing now: During the first 24 hours, once the sperm and egg bind to each other, the membranes of these two cells fuse, creating in less than a second a single hybrid cell: the zygote, or one-cell embryo. To protect his or her bodily integrity, within minutes the zygote initiates changes in its ionic composition, releasing zinc in a spark that induces “egg activation,” first modifying the surrounding zona pellucida blocking further sperm binding to the cell surface. Cooperation between sperm and egg components to achieve replication of DNA, cell division, and growth occurs as maternally (mother) and paternally (father) derived factors in the zygote begin interacting with and chemically modifying each other to initiate the final round of meiotic division in the maternally derived nucleus to enable DNA replication.

That is within 24 hours of fertilization....but they're looking at even those 24 hours in an effort to see deeper into the cells and their immediate activity upon that fertilization. It won't be long before this argument about when life begins will be settled by science.

So you see, your "clump of cells" (did you get that from permafrost???) is a stage of development of a human life. Pretty soon you won't be able to argue that.
Development of human life begins immediately upon ... (show quote)


A zygote is smaller than my pinky nail .. Not valid argument .. I know how it works ..i know how to prevent .. I do not need anyone legislating what I can and cannot do with my body ...

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May 10, 2022 14:58:15   #
Nelson7
 
[quote=Army]Property is not life creation is Life is in the blood

Psalms 127:3 - Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. Job 31:15 - Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?



[/"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine." Exodus 21:22 KJV

As I said. Causing a miscarriage is treated as a property crime.

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May 10, 2022 15:24:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Army wrote:
To: Americans everywhere
From: John Porter
Harrison, Arkansas.

Folks, I am here taking a moment to weigh in on the abortion issue.

After very careful research, an interviewing two Obstetricians, here are some facts I learned: (1) Gender is determined immediately upon fertilization. The 23rd pair of chromosomes establishes the sex of the baby. The mother's egg contains an X chromosome, while the father's sperm carries either another X or a Y chromosome. An XX combination means your baby is female and an XY combination means your baby is male. This means that the baby's gender is determined before it is even considered a fetus.

(2) Your baby’s heart starts to beat as early as the 5th week (or 22 days) of pregnancy. If you go for an early ultrasound scan, around the 6th week, you will get to hear as well as see the baby’s heart beating. (3) Your baby’s brain development is a complex process that continues throughout your pregnancy. At just six weeks, the embryo’s brain and nervous system begin to develop. (4) At about 7 weeks, the main parts of the eye that enable sight – the cornea, iris, pupil, lens, and retina – start developing, and they're almost fully formed just a few weeks later. By about 10 weeks, your baby has eyelids, though they remain closed until about 27 weeks. (5) Your baby will hear sounds inside your body, like your heartbeat, between 16 and 22 weeks of pregnancy. And after 23 weeks, your little one will be able to make out your voice, your partner's voice, and other sounds from outside your womb. Noises from inside your body muffle the sounds your baby hears, but they can hear your voice more clearly than all others. (5) A new study, "Reconsidering Fetal Pain” confirms that babies in the womb can feel pain as early as 12 weeks old. Writing in the Journal of Medical Ethics, Stuart W.G. Derbyshire John C. Bockmann state:

“Overall, the evidence, and a balanced reading of the evidence, points towards an immediate and reflective pain experience mediated by the developing function of the nervous system as early as 12 weeks.”

Dr. David Prentice, Vice President and Research Director of the Charlotte Lozier Institute commented:

“Unborn babies feel pain. The science has clearly shown for years that unborn children can perceive pain in the womb, but this is a significant admission by doctors on both sides of the abortion debate, recognizing that even early in human development, the unborn can feel pain. And as the authors note, ‘the mere experience of pain…is morally significant.’ Science again points to the humanity of the unborn.”

Now, I ask you, anyone, given these absolute facts, is what has just been described here, a baby human being?

If it isn't, please, in layman's language, tell me what it is, what is it? It is a male or female, has a beating heart (meaning blood is pumping through it), has a brain, has eyes, has ears and can hear, feels pain. What is it?

https://blueanon.news/buy-a-pair-of-levis-help-murder-an-unborn-child/
To: Americans everywhere br From: John Porter br H... (show quote)



such a foolish move, call comments absolute facts with no other input...



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May 10, 2022 15:26:48   #
American Vet
 
Donagurl wrote:
No I do not consider that a life yet


What you consider is immaterial. The preponderance of scientist agree that life begins at conception.

There are a few people that truly believe the Earth is flat....

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May 10, 2022 15:27:19   #
American Vet
 
Donagurl wrote:
A zygote is smaller than my pinky nail .. Not valid argument .. I know how it works ..i know how to prevent .. I do not need anyone legislating what I can and cannot do with my body ...


But....it isn't "your body".

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May 10, 2022 15:28:46   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:
such a foolish move, call comments absolute facts with no other input...


No lying scumbag should comment on "foolish", CLPODS.

Go back to your basement and hug kitty.

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May 10, 2022 15:56:00   #
EmilyD
 
Donagurl wrote:
A zygote is smaller than my pinky nail .. Not valid argument .. I know how it works ..i know how to prevent .. I do not need anyone legislating what I can and cannot do with my body ...

If you want to think of the baby as a clump of cells in order to justify your actions to murder it, that's your prerogative. But it goes against what both Science and God tell us about that clump. At some point your "clump" argument won't hold water. In fact, it's leaking very badly right now.

And it's not just YOUR body that's involved. If it were, you wouldn't be heading for the clinic to get rid of that little body that's inconveniencing you.

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May 10, 2022 15:58:36   #
okie don
 
Bevvy wrote:
there seems to be a born idiot


Good one.lol

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May 10, 2022 16:29:44   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Since you do not believe that baby in the womb is a life do you support repealing every law that makes it a crime to cause the baby's deah through a criminal act?


Liberty, Although my wife and I would never consider an abortion, I can support a woman's right to choose. It just isn't black and white. The Supreme Court passed its decision because it felt that a fetus is not a baby before it could survive outside the womb. That sounds reasonable to me. The majority of Americans support a woman's right to choose.

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May 10, 2022 16:38:48   #
EmilyD
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Liberty, Although my wife and I would never consider an abortion, I can support a woman's right to choose. It just isn't black and white. The Supreme Court passed its decision because it felt that a fetus is not a baby before it could survive outside the womb. That sounds reasonable to me. The majority of Americans support a woman's right to choose.

Why would you and your wife never consider an abortion? If you feel that your wife's right is to choose, and she chose abortion, then it shouldn't bother you, right? Would you be upset if it didn't matter to her or anyone else what you thought? Because that's the way it is right now.

Wouldn't adoption of an unwanted baby be a better alternative for you and your wife if you couldn't keep the baby for some reason, instead of aborting it and throwing it in the trash?

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May 10, 2022 16:41:11   #
American Vet
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Liberty, Although my wife and I would never consider an abortion, I can support a woman's right to choose. It just isn't black and white. The Supreme Court passed its decision because it felt that a fetus is not a baby before it could survive outside the womb. That sounds reasonable to me. The majority of Americans support a woman's right to choose.


If a "majority of Americans" support" it - why has there not been an imitative to make a Constitutional amendment?

Perhaps the "support" is not as widespread as the left/media want one to believe.

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