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May 3, 2022 14:33:14   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
It really has nothing to do with politics as soon as someone starts spouting scriptures.
Religion has had a far greater impact on human affairs, including politics, than you are obviously aware of.
It is not a subject to be taken lightly, and it certainly deserves greater attention than mere "chit chat".

If talk of religion is so painful for you, it is a simple matter to ignore it.

Your MO on this forum is like a dog shitting on a lawn,
you come in here, take a big dump,
then when intelligent people start scooping it up to get rid of the stink,
you just run off to another lawn and take another shit.
SSDD!

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May 3, 2022 14:57:25   #
Barbancon
 
Actually state religions evolved anciently as a buttress to political authority.

Our US constitution is fully supportive of tax-funded state religions in any of our 50 states as long as they are authorized by the state’s legislature.

Funny how the left never mentions our history of state churches.

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May 3, 2022 15:11:34   #
Barbancon
 
Leftists don’t like the D of I because it mentions God and Providence and our natural law rights derived from nature and nature’s God.

All that stands in the way of the murderous totalitarian governments they are so fond of creating.

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May 3, 2022 15:13:37   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
It really has nothing to do with politics as soon as someone starts spouting scriptures.


Chit chat is just that...isn't it? If it bugs you don't read it, is my motto!

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May 3, 2022 15:15:32   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Barbancon wrote:
That’s the first thing you’ve said that I, sort of, agree with. The problem is it can only be a request. You have no right to regulate public speech, and neither do I. It’s a freedom we grant eachother as civilized people.

Welcome to the challenges of living in a classical liberal (anti-leftist) country where freedom speech is number one in our Bill of Rights.


Freedom of speech being antithetical to leftist ideology?

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May 3, 2022 15:23:48   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Barbancon wrote:
In truth, our real scripture is the natural law of the universe.

Leftists are in a state of permanent rebellion against the laws of nature, and that is the real reason why they always fail in the long run.
Who created the universe and the laws that govern it?


Preserving a Constitution Designed for a Moral and Religious People


One of the foremost constitutional theorists of the founding generation, John Adams, observed, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” He wasn’t the only Founding Father to hold this view. Indeed, James Madison wrote that our Constitution requires “sufficient virtue among men for self-government,” otherwise, “nothing less than the chains of despotism can restrain them from destroying and devouring one another.”

Many of our Founders were men of faith or were influenced strongly by the Judeo-Christian tradition. They accepted the premise of mankind’s imperfect nature. They had experienced first-hand the oppressive dictates of Parliament and the Crown that led to the American Revolution. And they were rightly suspicious of the accumulation of governmental power by one person or a small body — “the very definition of tyranny” according to Madison.

Consistent with these experiences and beliefs, the Founders imbued liberty-preserving principles into the very structure of the new government. They divided power between federal and state governments, apportioned federal power among three branches of government, and limited the power of the federal government to certain delegated functions. But the Founders also knew that these devices alone were inadequate to preserve and sustain our new nation.

Instructors of Virtue

Why did they believe that the success of the union ultimately depended on the virtue of the people? Simply put, the Founders knew that government was downstream from culture. A virtuous people would courageously defend the rights endowed by their Creator and restored by the blood of patriots. But a fearful people would readily cede these rights in exchange for a fleeting sense of security. As Princeton’s Robbie George explains, “People lacking in virtue could be counted on to trade liberty for protection, for financial or personal security, for comfort … for having their problems solved quickly. And there will always be people occupying or standing for public office who will be happy to offer the deal.”


<SNIP>

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May 3, 2022 15:30:41   #
Barbancon
 
Milosia2 wrote:
You have no right to bombard me with your religious proselytizing.
It isn’t your choice it’s my choice .
As in , get out of my face.


Try to control yourself you illiterate slob. If you could learn to read English you would understand that the last thing I was doing was ‘religious proselytizing’ you ignorant churl.

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May 3, 2022 15:40:28   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
[quote=Barbancon][quote=EmilyD]Nothing God does is ever "a terrible idea". The rest of your insulting comment is not worth addressing.[/quote

Ascribing the authorship of God to the writings of men is blasphemy. If the Hebrew prophets were speaking under the inspiration of God their messages would be consistently in accordance with natural law, rather than inconsistent and at variance with each other over time. The Hebrew scriptures are no different than the Islamic scriptures in this regard. Their sadly earth-bound provincial origin is obvious to any divinely inspired reader.[/quote]
The scriptures are God breathed! He created nature and everything in it! His laws not ours!

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May 3, 2022 16:14:24   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
woodguru wrote:
I've seen a faith, religion, and spirituality section on other sites, this one would be general chit chat I guess.

And I do agree that there are references to religion that are appropriate to a conversation, but what I was referring to was where someone wants to go full proselytizing with no other agenda.


OPP has a Faith, Religion, Spirituality section. Look at Home and you will see it.

I completely agree on the full proselytizing is not appropriate to Main on OPP.

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May 3, 2022 17:30:06   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Barbancon wrote:
In truth, our real scripture is the natural law of the universe.

Leftists are in a state of permanent rebellion against the laws of nature, and that is the real reason why they always fail in the long run.


Severe and Profound..

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May 3, 2022 17:31:46   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
EmilyD wrote:
You will never understand. Not unless you stop doing things like taking Jesus' name in vain....but obviously that kind of thing doesn't matter to someone like you.

"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.
To one without faith, no explanation is possible."

~Thomas Aquinas


Ah for chrissakes !

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May 3, 2022 17:33:29   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Amen!


Joel Osteen comes to mind as one.

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May 3, 2022 17:38:39   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Bevvy wrote:
Is this allowed here ????

The quotation "all men are created equal" is part of the sentence in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which Thomas Jefferson penned in 1776 during the beginning of the American Revolution that reads,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
The phrase echoed the words of John Locke in his second treatise on government, and other authors as early as the 14th century. Jefferson applied the concept in his original draft of the declaration.[1][2]
It was thereafter quoted and incorporated into speeches by a wide array of substantial figures in American political and social life in the United States. The final form of the phrase was stylized by Benjamin Franklin.[3]
It has been called an "immortal declaration", and "perhaps [the] single phrase" of the American Revolutionary period with the greatest "continuing importance."[4][5]


The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve
the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws
of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to
the separation.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name,
and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from
all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they
have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Is this allowed here ???? br br The quotation &qu... (show quote)


That was a letter written to England and nothing else. It has no effect on anything else. It is not legal as a document here.
It was only a letter to England.
It has nothing to do with the constitution.
Nor does it have any effect on anything else,

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May 3, 2022 17:39:51   #
keepuphope Loc: Idaho
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Joel Osteen comes to mind as one.


Joel Osteen doesn't represent God based on his views that are contrary to the bible. Pick someone else who actually does. But in order to do that you would have to know God's view points on things.

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May 3, 2022 17:42:45   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Rose42 wrote:
Then you have no right to post your opinion here.


Whatever . Rose.

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