woodguru

It really has nothing to do with politics as soon as someone starts spouting scriptures.

Barbancon

That’s the first thing you’ve said that I, sort of, agree with. The problem is it can only be a request. You have no right to regulate public speech, and neither do I. It’s a freedom we grant eachother as civilized people.

Welcome to the challenges of living in a classical liberal (anti-l*****t) country where freedom speech is number one in our Bill of Rights.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I completely disagree ”It has nothing to do with politics…”. In fact, Biblical writings often directly reflect on life within politics.

Having said the above and as a person of faith, I tend to agree with you. There is a whole section within OPP for people to use ie; Faith, Religion, Spirituality. I have no objection to a brief citing of scripture; however, excessive citing is unnecessary.

woodguru

If a forum has sections and someone gets their topic in the wrong section it's moved to the appropriate place.

Free speech is not about saying wh**ever you want whenever you want, there are limitations having to do with common sense. The person in question got cited for proselytizing on the sidewalk...so he knows a little bit about that.

Barbancon

In t***h, our real scripture is the natural law of the universe.

L*****ts are in a state of permanent r*******n against the laws of nature, and that is the real reason why they always fail in the long run.

woodguru

I've seen a faith, religion, and spirituality section on other sites, this one would be general chit chat I guess.

And I do agree that there are references to religion that are appropriate to a conversation, but what I was referring to was where someone wants to go full proselytizing with no other agenda.

EmilyD

Romans 8:28: "We know that God is always at work for the good of everyone who loves him. They are the ones God has chosen for his purpose."

It is God who "sets up kings and deposes them" (Daniel 2:21) because "the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes" (Daniel 4:17). What this means is that politics is merely a method God uses to accomplish His will. Even though some men abuse their political power, meaning it for evil, in the end God means it for good, working "all things together for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose."

Rose42

That is your opinion. If you don’t like it then don’t read it or scroll past.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Believe it or not, woodguru, there have many finer minds than yours throughout our history and a vast majority of them sought guidance in scripture.

American Vet

You have immediately disqualified yourself from participating by virtue of the term 'commonsense'; you have shown very little of that.

But, except for rare exceptions, free speech is exactly about saying what you want without government intervention. Only extreme l*****ts without common sense want a 'Ministry of T***h'.

Barbancon

The idea of God giving kingdoms to whomever he wishes was terrible for the stability and succession problem of the late Roman Empire.

The Christian East Roman Empire based in Constantinople was notoriously beset by frequent bloody palace c**ps because of the justification of the murders of the Emperors by scriptures like this written by peasant desert mystics with no experience in practical governance.

The elective monarchy of the Holy Roman Empire of the West turned out to be a better solution with the Roman Church supporting the Emperor as ruling by the grace of God and the e******n of the Roman princes (who also ruled by the grace of God).

The Holy Roman Empire’s elective monarchy, with its federal structure of many states was, of course, the inspiration for the organization of the United States, and Vattel’s ‘The Law of Nations’ was the founder’s handbook. Vattel was a subject of the Holy Roman Empire. The English Common Law and constitution was the other main influence.

vernon

As f0r you everyone knows you are against freedom of religion ,so as a c*******t you think we should do as you do.

EmilyD

Nothing God does is ever "a terrible idea". The rest of your insulting comment is not worth addressing.

Barbancon

[quote=EmilyD]Nothing God does is ever "a terrible idea". The rest of your insulting comment is not worth addressing.[/quote

Ascribing the authorship of God to the writings of men is blasphemy. If the Hebrew prophets were speaking under the inspiration of God their messages would be consistently in accordance with natural law, rather than inconsistent and at variance with each other over time. The Hebrew scriptures are no different than the Islamic scriptures in this regard. Their sadly earth-bound provincial origin is obvious to any divinely inspired reader.

Bevvy

Is this allowed here ????

The quotation "all men are created equal" is part of the sentence in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which Thomas Jefferson penned in 1776 during the beginning of the American Revolution that reads,
"We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
The phrase echoed the words of John Locke in his second treatise on government, and other authors as early as the 14th century. Jefferson applied the concept in his original draft of the declaration.[1][2]
It was thereafter quoted and incorporated into speeches by a wide array of substantial figures in American political and social life in the United States. The final form of the phrase was stylized by Benjamin Franklin.[3]
It has been called an "immortal declaration", and "perhaps [the] single phrase" of the American Revolutionary period with the greatest "continuing importance."[4][5]


The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve
the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws
of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to
the separation.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name,
and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from
all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they
have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.