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May 3, 2022 17:44:51   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
keepuphope wrote:
Joel Osteen doesn't represent God based on his views that are contrary to the bible. Pick someone else who actually does. But in order to do that you would have to know God's view points on things.


How about gods pirate Franklin Graham ?

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May 3, 2022 18:09:56   #
EmilyD
 
Milosia2 wrote:
How about gods pirate Franklin Graham ?

Do you ever have anything to say that's nice? When you ask sarcastic questions like this one, and you do it a lot, it tells us about you, you know. It's not a very nice picture that you paint of yourself...

Is there something about people who have faith that bothers you? You get mighty triggered when the subject of faithfulness comes up, do you ever wonder why that is?

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May 3, 2022 19:38:33   #
Barbancon
 
Milosia2 wrote:
That was a letter written to England and nothing else. It has no effect on anything else. It is not legal as a document here.
It was only a letter to England.
It has nothing to do with the constitution.
Nor does it have any effect on anything else,


You are basically right. So why does the left always quote the ‘all men are created equal’ line as if it’s some kind of holy writ?

Jefferson believed (correctly) that blank slate theory is wrong, men are created profoundly unequal, and he only meant equal in that we are all equally subject to the natural law upon which our laws are based.

The left naturally leaves out the most important part in order to trick people into thinking that Jefferson was a blank slater (he wasn’t) and a believer in human e******y (he wasn’t).

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May 3, 2022 19:47:23   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Bevvy wrote:
Is this allowed here ????

The quotation "all men are created equal" is part of the sentence in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which Thomas Jefferson penned in 1776 during the beginning of the American Revolution that reads,
"We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
The phrase echoed the words of John Locke in his second treatise on government, and other authors as early as the 14th century. Jefferson applied the concept in his original draft of the declaration.[1][2]
It was thereafter quoted and incorporated into speeches by a wide array of substantial figures in American political and social life in the United States. The final form of the phrase was stylized by Benjamin Franklin.[3]
It has been called an "immortal declaration", and "perhaps [the] single phrase" of the American Revolutionary period with the greatest "continuing importance."[4][5]


The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve
the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws
of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to
the separation.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name,
and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from
all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they
have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Is this allowed here ???? br br The quotation &qu... (show quote)


I am not being difficult; however, it says by their Creator not God.

As a person of faith, I believe the creator is God; however, others may not; hence avoiding large swaths of proselytizing on political threads.

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May 3, 2022 19:49:57   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
woodguru wrote:
It really has nothing to do with politics as soon as someone starts spouting scriptures.


Many issues are involved regarding religion versus politics the old saying they don’t go is true it doesn’t stop everyone from arguing the merits.

I believe churches need to stay out of politics and politics need to stay out of the churches but as you well know that is not the case anymore just look at the pope.

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May 3, 2022 20:08:53   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Bevvy wrote:

Is this allowed here ????

The quotation "all men are created equal" is part of the sentence in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which Thomas Jefferson penned in 1776 during the beginning of the American Revolution that reads,
"We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
The phrase echoed the words of John Locke in his second treatise on government, and other authors as early as the 14th century. Jefferson applied the concept in his original draft of the declaration.[1][2]
It was thereafter quoted and incorporated into speeches by a wide array of substantial figures in American political and social life in the United States. The final form of the phrase was stylized by Benjamin Franklin.[3]
It has been called an "immortal declaration", and "perhaps [the] single phrase" of the American Revolutionary period with the greatest "continuing importance."[4][5]


The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve
the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws
of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to
the separation.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name,
and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from
all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they
have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
br Is this allowed here ???? br br The quotation... (show quote)
Milosia2 wrote:
That was a letter written to England and nothing else. It has no effect on anything else. It is not legal as a document here.
It was only a letter to England.
It has nothing to do with the constitution.
Nor does it have any effect on anything else,
Where, in God's name, do you get this garbage?
I've never encountered anyone as ignorant or confused about our nation's founding and its purpose than you.
I'm certainly not going to waste my time trying to unpack the lunacy in this pile of junk,
but I will give it a dose of facts,
just to remove some of the stink.


On June 11, 1776, the Second Continental Congress entrusted a committee of five delegates (Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Robert R. Livingston and Roger Sherman) with composing the Declaration of Independence. The committee chose thirty-three year old Thomas Jefferson to draft what he called an expression of “the American mind.” Though he “turned to neither book or pamphlet,” Jefferson relied on his knowledge of philosophy as well as the sentiments of the Virginia Constitution, the Declaration of Rights and Richard Henry Lee’s resolution proposed to Congress on June 7. Jefferson later recalled, “I drew it; but before I reported it to the committee I communicated it separately to Dr. Franklin and Mr. Adams requesting their corrections.” The revised copy was submitted to Congress on June 28, 1776.

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May 3, 2022 20:54:58   #
David L Loc: Central Wisconsin
 
woodguru wrote:
It really has nothing to do with politics as soon as someone starts spouting scriptures.


Woody, you no doubt totally flunked American History or else your school never taught it. Many, if not most, of the Founding Fathers based their decisions on the Bible. There are plenty of ways to verify this, but one of the very best is a well documented book by Dan Fisher, "Bringing Back the Black Robed Regiment." Should be required reading in every American History class.

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May 3, 2022 21:38:32   #
Barbancon
 
You have to forgive our foreign immigrant stock democrats. Their families came here with the huddling masses in the late 19th and early 20th c. They know nothing of our heritage except what they read from biased left wing secondary or tertiary sources written by people equally distant from the education, political traditions, and governing experience of our Cambridge, Oxford, or Harvard and Yale educated English ancestors.

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May 3, 2022 22:01:57   #
keepuphope Loc: Idaho
 
Barbancon wrote:
You have to forgive our foreign immigrant stock democrats. Their families came here with the huddling masses in the late 19th and early 20th c. They know nothing of our heritage except what they read from biased left wing secondary or tertiary sources written by people equally distant from the education, political traditions, and governing experience of our Cambridge, Oxford, or Harvard and Yale educated English ancestors.


I agree and dems are fine with anyone walking across where conservatives want to know who's coming in. So they will v**e for who let them in until they actually see dems policies at work and it effects them.

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May 4, 2022 06:53:26   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
keepuphope wrote:
I agree and dems are fine with anyone walking across where conservatives want to know who's coming in. So they will v**e for who let them in until they actually see dems policies at work and it effects them.


Which is why they incite them with open arms and say “ come on in!”All about the v**e, not country!

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May 4, 2022 08:39:36   #
David L Loc: Central Wisconsin
 
woodguru wrote:
It really has nothing to do with politics as soon as someone starts spouting scriptures.


Woody, everyone has standards to live by. As for me, and most of our Founding Fathers, I get my standards from the Bible. Where do you get yours? The C*******t Manifesto? Or maybe Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals? On second thought, that type of reading would be a bit beyond your "Cognitive function." It looks as though you let the Democrats study such documents and you simply follow their talking points.

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May 4, 2022 09:37:32   #
currahee506
 
How can you keep religion out of the language when it is God who gave it to us?

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May 4, 2022 10:51:34   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
woodguru wrote:
It really has nothing to do with politics as soon as someone starts spouting scriptures.

Hey woodie, I wasn't trying to step on your toes, I was trying to step on your heart if you have one.

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May 4, 2022 13:56:30   #
Ricktloml
 
BigMike wrote:
Chit chat is just that...isn't it? If it bugs you don't read it, is my motto!




BigMike so glad to see you back. I hope everything is well with you

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May 4, 2022 17:33:29   #
martsiva
 
[quote=Barbancon][quote=EmilyD]Nothing God does is ever "a terrible idea". The rest of your insulting comment is not worth addressing.[/quote

Ascribing the authorship of God to the writings of men is blasphemy. If the Hebrew prophets were speaking under the inspiration of God their messages would be consistently in accordance with natural law, rather than inconsistent and at variance with each other over time. The Hebrew scriptures are no different than the Islamic scriptures in this regard. Their sadly earth-bound provincial origin is obvious to any divinely inspired reader.[/quote]

NO - they were writing under the Holy Spirit which IS the authorship of God!! You have never really studied scripture or you would know there are no variances in scripture!

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