OPP Poll...........Roe V Wade (Page 2): Apparently you have already drawn conclusions so why don't you tell me first and then I will tell you my thoughts.

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

crazylibertarian wrote:

And why were the social, emotional & physical damages so devastating? Answer the question & you'll likely come to some conclusions that are even tougher than the decision.

Apparently you have already drawn conclusions so why don't you tell me first and then I will tell you my thoughts.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

It's human life that is being ended; human life that the woman had within her and they know, and can not avoid that conclusion because there is none.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

American Vet wrote:

What do you believe would be an acceptable compromise?

As the progressives love everything about Europe; France’s model is NO abortion after 12 weeks unless it can be shown, by medical committee, as a medical necessity.

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

crazylibertarian wrote:

It's human life that is being ended; human life that the woman had within her and they know, and can not avoid that conclusion because there is none.

What determines that it is human life? Is it is a human life because it has human DNA at conception? Some states call the murder of a pregnant woman as two murders. Is an abortion murder and then should the doctor and woman be charged as such? Is the morning after pill also premeditated murder? Are you prepared to call every miscarriage as possible negligent homicide or murder to be investigated and prosecuted as such? If the zygote is in fact human life then these murders or negligent homicides should be prosecuted... right? If all these women who have a miscarriage shouldn't be prosecuted as murderers then you have a contradiction in your beliefs.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Kevyn wrote:

I sort of hope so, if they do we will not see another Republican administration for a half century.

that would result in the end of any liberties/freedom this country has. Hope I'm dead if that happens.

American Vet

Strycker wrote:

What determines that it is human life? Is it is a ... (show quote)

"What determines that it is human life? Is it is a human life because it has human DNA at conception?"
What else would one call it? DNA proves that it is indeed a human.

"Are you prepared to call every miscarriage as possible negligent homicide or murder to be investigated and prosecuted as such?"
Try another analogy. Saying a miscarriage is 'negligent homicide' would be akin to say a heart attack is negligent homicide and/or suicide. Miscarriages occur; just as a ruptured aneurysm might occur. No contradiction in beliefs there.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Strycker wrote:

Disregarding the 10th amendment argument for now, ... (show quote)

I don't know if you have ever seen a fetus at 14/15 week gestation, maybe take a look.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Strycker wrote:

I don't know the number of actual deaths from abortions in the 60's. I'll take your word for it. I do know a lot of women who suffered a lot of physical and emotional damage having to suffer through the process of illegal or self induced abortions. Some I have known personally. The decisions were never easy for them but the social, emotional and physical damage was devastating.

Part of the problem of that era was how women were treated if pregnant outside of marriage. That does not exist today. The list of people waiting for babies to adopt is huge. An estimated 2 million couples in the US waiting to adopt.

EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast

crazylibertarian wrote:

And why were the social, emotional & physical damages so devastating? Answer the question & you'll likely come to some conclusions that are even tougher than the decision.

What is so difficult to understand within the 4 words "Thou shalt not kill"?

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

microphor wrote:

Part of the problem of that era was how women were treated if pregnant outside of marriage. That does not exist today. The list of people waiting for babies to adopt is huge. An estimated 2 million couples in the US waiting to adopt.

And 400,000 kids in foster care waiting to be adopted. Why is that?

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

American Vet wrote:

"What determines that it is human life? Is it... (show quote)

What about, say, a drug addict having a miscarriage because of her drug use? Or someone driving under the influence having an accident that causes a miscarriage? I can think of a lot of instances where a miscarriage would not have happened if the woman had been more careful. Isn't that the definition of negligence? Knowing the likely outcome and doing it anyway.

Someone with a high risk of a heart attack who does activities likely to induce a heart attack may in fact be committing suicide.

My point is, there is no simple one size fits all answer on either side of the issue. Hence, a need for a compromise.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Strycker wrote:

Disregarding the 10th amendment argument for now, ... (show quote)

What Roe v Wade actually did was open the door for a booming abortion industry and gave PPH carte blanche in disposition of body parts.

63 million babies killed in the womb since R v W.

Abortion Clock: real time

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

Blade_Runner wrote:

What Roe v Wade actually did was open the door for a booming abortion industry and gave PPH carte blanche in disposition of body parts.

63 million babies killed in the womb since R v W.

Abortion Clock: real time

If a woman is likely to die during pregnancy or child birth is an abortion permissible to save her life?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Strycker wrote:

If a woman is likely to die during pregnancy or child birth is an abortion permissible to save her life?

A fraction of all abortions are performed to save a mother's life.

A survey of more than 2.4 million aborting women performed by the states of Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota and Utah during the years 1996 to 2020 gives us an accurate estimate of the number of “hard case” abortions, since these are the numbers that abortion clinics must report in official documents to these states:

1.14% are done to save the life or physical health of the mother.
1.28% to preserve the mental health of the mother.
0.39% in cases of rape or incest.
0.69% for fetal birth defects, or eugenics.
3.50% for all the hard cases combined.
96.50% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Meet the woman whose conception initiated Roe V Wade....Although it was an abortion case, her mom never had an abortion, instead she put her up for adoption...This is Baby Roe's story....

https://abcnews.go.com/US/daughter-jane-roe-woman-landmark-abortion-case-terms/story?id=80329351