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Mar 25, 2021 11:17:29   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
slatten49 wrote:
By Jean-Marie Valheur

Are you a liberal or a conservative? Why?

It fluctuates. My beliefs are neither 100% this nor 100% that and I dislike the cult-like approach people seem to have to their group. You have to either walk the line and agree with whatever the hive-mind says or you’re not a “true liberal” or “regressive” or “Republican in name only” or whatever… it’s so damn tiresome.

In some things, I am a right-wing hawk. In other things, I am a borderline socialist. In some aspects, I am a puritan conservative traditionalist. In other ways a complete liberal. I can be progressive in one thing, yet critical of aspects of said thing. I can support people and their rights 100% yet still ask questions that uncomfortable enough for me to be quickly labeled a [insert any group]phobe.

It’s funny, how everyone has to fit in one group, then fall in line. It’s so claustrophobic at times. Like, let me breathe, people! Don’t try to box and label everyone and everything. The world isn’t black or white…

Like, someone could support BLM for example and still think looting and violence are bad and the movement has attracted some bad people. Someone could, for instance, support the LGBT and still think there’s too many damn genders and some of it’s just plain old attention seeking. Someone could support #MeToo and yet also acknowledge it sometimes completely misses the mark. Someone could support cancelling someone awful while still thinking #cancelculture is too trigger-happy and makes a lot of innocent casualties that are too quickly tossed aside for minor remarks, or unearthed comments from years ago…

Can I actually be a liberal if I believe Antifa attracts a lot of people who are merely scum looking to loot and burn? Would I be a proper Republican if I said that Netanyahu is a thug and a gangster and the American alliance with the Saudi royals is immoral as hell? If I called out the hypocrisy of left-wing media, would I be a bad left-winger, and if I said right-wing media was no better, would I be a bad right-winger? I mean, hell, this is hard work, man.

I abhor racism on the one hand, but I also — oh shock of shocks! — don’t feel guilty for being white, nor do I think I owe anyone an apology over something my ancestors may or may not have done. I believe there are a lot of cops who abuse their power and use too much violence, but I also think abolishing the police is retarded. I believe people don’t need to be able to freely buy assault rifles without background checks, but I also think people who do manage to provide a ‘declaration of good conduct’ of sorts should be able to buy basic arms, there just needs to be a bit more regulation and licenses should be harder to obtain. Oh, and I’m not a big fan of late term abortion, but all in favor of giving people the right to choose and abort a child that is deformed or end a pregnancy that would endanger the mother’s life.

If you ask me, no one should have to die for being unable to pay for a medicine, insulin should be free and the best medical care should not be given to only those who can afford it. But at the same time, I don’t also want some violent revolution, I don’t wish to “eat the rich” and put Jeff Bezos underneath a guillotine — I want to tax certain people a bit higher, and maybe others a little less. I like fairness. I hate oppression. I love freedom of speech and hate censorship.

So, where do I fall? What on earth am I? I’ve tried many times to figure it out. Figure out who I am, where I am, what my stance is and where that puts me. And I cannot quite put my finger on it, you know? I just don’t like dogma very much. I don’t like being required to be pro-this or anti-that, lest I be a “bad liberal” or “not really conservative”.

Usually when people ask me what I am, I say I’m a moderate. But moderate doesn’t even begin to cover what I am. I’m neither this, nor that. I am a million things rolled into one and I hate the mentality of having to 100% conform to whatever the group thinks or feels lest I be cast out of it.
By Jean-Marie Valheur br br Are you a liberal or ... (show quote)


I commiserate with the author but the way things are developing everyone will be forced to pick a "side" and choosing "not to decide" (quote from a Rush song) will not be an option.

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Mar 25, 2021 11:53:57   #
vernon
 
slatten49 wrote:
By Jean-Marie Valheur

Are you a liberal or a conservative? Why?

It fluctuates. My beliefs are neither 100% this nor 100% that and I dislike the cult-like approach people seem to have to their group. You have to either walk the line and agree with whatever the hive-mind says or you’re not a “true liberal” or “regressive” or “Republican in name only” or whatever… it’s so damn tiresome.

In some things, I am a right-wing hawk. In other things, I am a borderline socialist. In some aspects, I am a puritan conservative traditionalist. In other ways a complete liberal. I can be progressive in one thing, yet critical of aspects of said thing. I can support people and their rights 100% yet still ask questions that uncomfortable enough for me to be quickly labeled a [insert any group]phobe.

It’s funny, how everyone has to fit in one group, then fall in line. It’s so claustrophobic at times. Like, let me breathe, people! Don’t try to box and label everyone and everything. The world isn’t black or white…

Like, someone could support BLM for example and still think looting and violence are bad and the movement has attracted some bad people. Someone could, for instance, support the LGBT and still think there’s too many damn genders and some of it’s just plain old attention seeking. Someone could support #MeToo and yet also acknowledge it sometimes completely misses the mark. Someone could support cancelling someone awful while still thinking #cancelculture is too trigger-happy and makes a lot of innocent casualties that are too quickly tossed aside for minor remarks, or unearthed comments from years ago…

Can I actually be a liberal if I believe Antifa attracts a lot of people who are merely scum looking to loot and burn? Would I be a proper Republican if I said that Netanyahu is a thug and a gangster and the American alliance with the Saudi royals is immoral as hell? If I called out the hypocrisy of left-wing media, would I be a bad left-winger, and if I said right-wing media was no better, would I be a bad right-winger? I mean, hell, this is hard work, man.

I abhor racism on the one hand, but I also — oh shock of shocks! — don’t feel guilty for being white, nor do I think I owe anyone an apology over something my ancestors may or may not have done. I believe there are a lot of cops who abuse their power and use too much violence, but I also think abolishing the police is retarded. I believe people don’t need to be able to freely buy assault rifles without background checks, but I also think people who do manage to provide a ‘declaration of good conduct’ of sorts should be able to buy basic arms, there just needs to be a bit more regulation and licenses should be harder to obtain. Oh, and I’m not a big fan of late term abortion, but all in favor of giving people the right to choose and abort a child that is deformed or end a pregnancy that would endanger the mother’s life.

If you ask me, no one should have to die for being unable to pay for a medicine, insulin should be free and the best medical care should not be given to only those who can afford it. But at the same time, I don’t also want some violent revolution, I don’t wish to “eat the rich” and put Jeff Bezos underneath a guillotine — I want to tax certain people a bit higher, and maybe others a little less. I like fairness. I hate oppression. I love freedom of speech and hate censorship.

So, where do I fall? What on earth am I? I’ve tried many times to figure it out. Figure out who I am, where I am, what my stance is and where that puts me. And I cannot quite put my finger on it, you know? I just don’t like dogma very much. I don’t like being required to be pro-this or anti-that, lest I be a “bad liberal” or “not really conservative”.

Usually when people ask me what I am, I say I’m a moderate. But moderate doesn’t even begin to cover what I am. I’m neither this, nor that. I am a million things rolled into one and I hate the mentality of having to 100% conform to whatever the group thinks or feels lest I be cast out of it.
By Jean-Marie Valheur br br Are you a liberal or ... (show quote)


Thats the most i's i have ever read in just 10 paragraphs .He must be the most important person in politics .

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Mar 25, 2021 12:20:38   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
slatten49 wrote:
"Charity begins at home".

Good post


Ty

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Mar 25, 2021 12:22:22   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
donho50 wrote:
You've shared a most sincere viewpoint. I, too, cannot fathom the misplaced priorities of our policy makers. One of many that comes to mind: how we can arrange hotels and health care for illegals while so many of our military vets are homeless and neglected?


my mind struggles to understand these kind of policies.

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Mar 25, 2021 12:25:25   #
ChJoe
 
lindajoy wrote:
Im simply me, don’t need or want “ group association or affiliation” to simply be just me...Like you I’m 1 million things rolled into one and they can change at any given moment depending on the situation at hand.

Be kind, be happy, be safe and by all means love living by living in love... We only get to do this one time, we may as well enjoy every single bit of it while we move along with all of our “individuality” in full display. The secret, individuality my friend.

Great article by the way.✨👏🏻✨
Im simply me, don’t need or want “ group associati... (show quote)


Same here. I will never just go along with the "group" on anything and it has gotten me in a bit of trouble over the years, especially in work situations. A simple example; I thin healthcare should be treated as a right, especially since we give it to people even if they lack the money or insurance. I like the Canadian system and have never met a Canadian who didn't prefer it even after moving to the US. On other issues, I am quite conservative and I have my specific reasons for it.

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Mar 25, 2021 12:25:47   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
vernon wrote:
Thats the most i's i have ever read in just 10 paragraphs .He must be the most important person in politics .

Well, Vernon, he was speaking of his own personal views/opinions/thoughts.

But, I get your point.

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Mar 25, 2021 12:43:25   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
ChJoe wrote:
Same here. I will never just go along with the "group" on anything and it has gotten me in a bit of trouble over the years, especially in work situations. A simple example; I thin healthcare should be treated as a right, especially since we give it to people even if they lack the money or insurance. I like the Canadian system and have never met a Canadian who didn't prefer it even after moving to the US. On other issues, I am quite conservative and I have my specific reasons for it.
Same here. I will never just go along with the &q... (show quote)


I have had the opposite experience. My friend who is an operating room nurse, Canadian born, , move here to practice. She states Canada system works well for the young and healthy but she had to bring her dad to US for medical care and hospice. She also said that her sister I law waited two years for a shoulder surgery and ended up coming to US and paying cash.

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Mar 25, 2021 14:16:15   #
ChJoe
 
microphor wrote:
I have had the opposite experience. My friend who is an operating room nurse, Canadian born, , move here to practice. She states Canada system works well for the young and healthy but she had to bring her dad to US for medical care and hospice. She also said that her sister I law waited two years for a shoulder surgery and ended up coming to US and paying cash.


It must be a mixed bag. I and many of my healthcare friends speak to as many Canadians we can and every time we meet one it is the same. I confess to one lady I met from Calgary who preferred the US system but, if it were up for a vote, Canada would win hands down from the Canadians who live here now.

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Mar 25, 2021 14:21:00   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
ChJoe wrote:
It must be a mixed bag. I and many of my healthcare friends speak to as many Canadians we can and every time we meet one it is the same. I confess to one lady I met from Calgary who preferred the US system but, if it were up for a vote, Canada would win hands down from the Canadians who live here now.

It is my admittedly limited knowledge and experience with Canadians that leads me to believe you are correct.

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Mar 25, 2021 14:31:38   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
By Jean-Marie Valheur

Are you a liberal or a conservative? Why?

It fluctuates. My beliefs are neither 100% this nor 100% that and I dislike the cult-like approach people seem to have to their group. You have to either walk the line and agree with whatever the hive-mind says or you’re not a “true liberal” or “regressive” or “Republican in name only” or whatever… it’s so damn tiresome.

In some things, I am a right-wing hawk. In other things, I am a borderline socialist. In some aspects, I am a puritan conservative traditionalist. In other ways a complete liberal. I can be progressive in one thing, yet critical of aspects of said thing. I can support people and their rights 100% yet still ask questions that uncomfortable enough for me to be quickly labeled a [insert any group]phobe.

It’s funny, how everyone has to fit in one group, then fall in line. It’s so claustrophobic at times. Like, let me breathe, people! Don’t try to box and label everyone and everything. The world isn’t black or white…

Like, someone could support BLM for example and still think looting and violence are bad and the movement has attracted some bad people. Someone could, for instance, support the LGBT and still think there’s too many damn genders and some of it’s just plain old attention seeking. Someone could support #MeToo and yet also acknowledge it sometimes completely misses the mark. Someone could support cancelling someone awful while still thinking #cancelculture is too trigger-happy and makes a lot of innocent casualties that are too quickly tossed aside for minor remarks, or unearthed comments from years ago…

Can I actually be a liberal if I believe Antifa attracts a lot of people who are merely scum looking to loot and burn? Would I be a proper Republican if I said that Netanyahu is a thug and a gangster and the American alliance with the Saudi royals is immoral as hell? If I called out the hypocrisy of left-wing media, would I be a bad left-winger, and if I said right-wing media was no better, would I be a bad right-winger? I mean, hell, this is hard work, man.

I abhor racism on the one hand, but I also — oh shock of shocks! — don’t feel guilty for being white, nor do I think I owe anyone an apology over something my ancestors may or may not have done. I believe there are a lot of cops who abuse their power and use too much violence, but I also think abolishing the police is retarded. I believe people don’t need to be able to freely buy assault rifles without background checks, but I also think people who do manage to provide a ‘declaration of good conduct’ of sorts should be able to buy basic arms, there just needs to be a bit more regulation and licenses should be harder to obtain. Oh, and I’m not a big fan of late term abortion, but all in favor of giving people the right to choose and abort a child that is deformed or end a pregnancy that would endanger the mother’s life.

If you ask me, no one should have to die for being unable to pay for a medicine, insulin should be free and the best medical care should not be given to only those who can afford it. But at the same time, I don’t also want some violent revolution, I don’t wish to “eat the rich” and put Jeff Bezos underneath a guillotine — I want to tax certain people a bit higher, and maybe others a little less. I like fairness. I hate oppression. I love freedom of speech and hate censorship.

So, where do I fall? What on earth am I? I’ve tried many times to figure it out. Figure out who I am, where I am, what my stance is and where that puts me. And I cannot quite put my finger on it, you know? I just don’t like dogma very much. I don’t like being required to be pro-this or anti-that, lest I be a “bad liberal” or “not really conservative”.

Usually when people ask me what I am, I say I’m a moderate. But moderate doesn’t even begin to cover what I am. I’m neither this, nor that. I am a million things rolled into one and I hate the mentality of having to 100% conform to whatever the group thinks or feels lest I be cast out of it.
By Jean-Marie Valheur br br Are you a liberal or ... (show quote)


You ARE what I SAY you are.

And I say, you are alright with me.............................Goober .



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Mar 25, 2021 15:07:13   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
ChJoe wrote:
It must be a mixed bag. I and many of my healthcare friends speak to as many Canadians we can and every time we meet one it is the same. I confess to one lady I met from Calgary who preferred the US system but, if it were up for a vote, Canada would win hands down from the Canadians who live here now.


I guess it is a mix bag. It all boils down to personal experiences and options I guess.

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Mar 25, 2021 15:20:51   #
ChJoe
 
microphor wrote:
I guess it is a mix bag. It all boils down to personal experiences and options I guess.


I have had to fight insurance companies right and left to get them to pay for something and many times have lost that battle. So many illogical reasons they give or don't give to refuse to pay for medically necessary services. Those who defend the American system forget that.

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Mar 25, 2021 15:27:49   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
SWMBO wrote:
You are NOT just another person, nor are you in any way simple. You are a kind, thoughtful person whose presence on this forum is one of the reasons that NPP and I still read and post here.
Stay close, caring and always yourself, you are a bright spot in our world.

SWMBO


I love you both and without a doubt a major reason I continue to come in.. You are both so inspirational, you give me Hope and gratefulness that there are still people like you. And I mean this most sincerely..❤️❤️❤️❤️

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Mar 25, 2021 16:22:55   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
slatten49 wrote:
By Jean-Marie Valheur

Are you a liberal or a conservative? Why?

It fluctuates. My beliefs are neither 100% this nor 100% that and I dislike the cult-like approach people seem to have to their group. You have to either walk the line and agree with whatever the hive-mind says or you’re not a “true liberal” or “regressive” or “Republican in name only” or whatever… it’s so damn tiresome.

In some things, I am a right-wing hawk. In other things, I am a borderline socialist. In some aspects, I am a puritan conservative traditionalist. In other ways a complete liberal. I can be progressive in one thing, yet critical of aspects of said thing. I can support people and their rights 100% yet still ask questions that uncomfortable enough for me to be quickly labeled a [insert any group]phobe.

It’s funny, how everyone has to fit in one group, then fall in line. It’s so claustrophobic at times. Like, let me breathe, people! Don’t try to box and label everyone and everything. The world isn’t black or white…

Like, someone could support BLM for example and still think looting and violence are bad and the movement has attracted some bad people. Someone could, for instance, support the LGBT and still think there’s too many damn genders and some of it’s just plain old attention seeking. Someone could support #MeToo and yet also acknowledge it sometimes completely misses the mark. Someone could support cancelling someone awful while still thinking #cancelculture is too trigger-happy and makes a lot of innocent casualties that are too quickly tossed aside for minor remarks, or unearthed comments from years ago…

Can I actually be a liberal if I believe Antifa attracts a lot of people who are merely scum looking to loot and burn? Would I be a proper Republican if I said that Netanyahu is a thug and a gangster and the American alliance with the Saudi royals is immoral as hell? If I called out the hypocrisy of left-wing media, would I be a bad left-winger, and if I said right-wing media was no better, would I be a bad right-winger? I mean, hell, this is hard work, man.

I abhor racism on the one hand, but I also — oh shock of shocks! — don’t feel guilty for being white, nor do I think I owe anyone an apology over something my ancestors may or may not have done. I believe there are a lot of cops who abuse their power and use too much violence, but I also think abolishing the police is retarded. I believe people don’t need to be able to freely buy assault rifles without background checks, but I also think people who do manage to provide a ‘declaration of good conduct’ of sorts should be able to buy basic arms, there just needs to be a bit more regulation and licenses should be harder to obtain. Oh, and I’m not a big fan of late term abortion, but all in favor of giving people the right to choose and abort a child that is deformed or end a pregnancy that would endanger the mother’s life.

If you ask me, no one should have to die for being unable to pay for a medicine, insulin should be free and the best medical care should not be given to only those who can afford it. But at the same time, I don’t also want some violent revolution, I don’t wish to “eat the rich” and put Jeff Bezos underneath a guillotine — I want to tax certain people a bit higher, and maybe others a little less. I like fairness. I hate oppression. I love freedom of speech and hate censorship.

So, where do I fall? What on earth am I? I’ve tried many times to figure it out. Figure out who I am, where I am, what my stance is and where that puts me. And I cannot quite put my finger on it, you know? I just don’t like dogma very much. I don’t like being required to be pro-this or anti-that, lest I be a “bad liberal” or “not really conservative”.

Usually when people ask me what I am, I say I’m a moderate. But moderate doesn’t even begin to cover what I am. I’m neither this, nor that. I am a million things rolled into one and I hate the mentality of having to 100% conform to whatever the group thinks or feels lest I be cast out of it.
By Jean-Marie Valheur br br Are you a liberal or ... (show quote)


Its all about culture, true ideology and ideologies derivatives BLM and other stuff hit the highlights and seem compelling, maybe escape velocity is in the deeper appreciations of Philosophy and it's derivative Theology, or maybe it's the other way around, did Theology cause Philosophy, what came first the chicken or the egg, anyhow that was a good post I enjoyed reading.


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Mar 25, 2021 16:51:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
You ARE what I SAY you are.

And I say, you are alright with me.............................Goober .

I now feel validated.

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