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Feb 26, 2021 09:12:58   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
ChJoe wrote:
He would never admit to it. The best thing you might find at this point is that statin use has zero effect on first coronary episodes and extremely low effect on second episodes. Dietary cholesterol has zero effect on heart disease; inc or dec risk thereof.

And, you're welcome.



Gee, you, me and my Dr.. agree on the dietary cholesterol effect.. so now I eat eggs again.. life is so good.. love eggs, toast and yes bacon..

Never had a heart attack, but sort of a repluming of valves and stints..

nice morning.. have a fine day.. Oh and thank you for the input..

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Feb 26, 2021 09:30:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
What are you worried about that will happen to man kind? Loss of coastal real estate? Y'all are cancelling the past anyway. Coastal real estate is obviously racist. Look at the math!




Nwtk,,, nay,, I care little about coastal areas in the welfare of humans.. those that live in the flood areas will have to handle it.. some have already built tide walls etc..

I do have concern about the growing of crops and the changing conditions affecting both yield and quality..

The bread bowl of India has become so hot that the green revolution verities from the 70s can not survive. so the farmers face the dilemma of growing the old verities which do not yield the required amount or the trying the high yielding ones which may not survive to give any yield at all..

The California valley, has lost a great deal a/c the dry drought years of the past decades..

Our great plains/wheat fields are on the edge of failure. dry seasons and the new strains of rust effecting wheat may see our food cost become prohibitive..

Anyway, food production around the world is my concern.. I like to eat..

And of course the true emergency is that the droughts will affect the great need of production of coffee and beer the two great essentials of Americans..

It is real and joking will not change that..

If you do not believe in human caused CC, then simply recognize the obvious happening and make what changes you can.. even if not effective as we wish , they do no harm and improve our world..



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Feb 26, 2021 10:18:09   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
permafrost wrote:
Gee, you, me and my Dr.. agree on the dietary cholesterol effect.. so now I eat eggs again.. life is so good.. love eggs, toast and yes bacon..

Never had a heart attack, but sort of a repluming of valves and stints..

nice morning.. have a fine day.. Oh and thank you for the input..


Stay healthy and safe, please...

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Feb 26, 2021 10:58:54   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
You never acknowledge ANY action to take, none, and no evidence is an absolute lie, but you go ahead and live with it, I don't care, but don't stop us from making improvements to the environment, that's more than stupid that's insane. There's been the same proof as to when we addressed the ozone, and improved it, the same with red tide, the same proof with acid rain, the same with water damage from detergent's do I need to go on, all the evidence IS there, you being a denier doesn't make it all go away, you're simply another scared ostrich, stop telling me I'm not giving you evidence that's a lie. The point always goes back to doing something about it.

You folks deny man's impact, yet since this pandemic, we've had cleaner air for decades...more proof of the destruction of man. We need to be responsible for what WE DO...Period.

Here's a story for you, a man goes to the doctor because he's having a hard time catching his breath, the doctor asks him if he smokes, he says yes, the doctor tells him he may not get cancer but will most probably get COPD, and he needs to quit smoking if he wants to live a long vital life, the man says well that's not for certain, I feel ok, thanks Doc, some years later the man's on an O2 machine and can't walk more than ten paces without getting out of breath, after a pathetic end of time, he dies. If only he had listened to the doctor and just quit smoking. The End.
You never acknowledge ANY action to take, none, an... (show quote)


Smoking and breathing air are not quite the same.
Most people do care about the environment.
What I witness often, a kid comes out of a store with candy and tosses the wrapper on the ground the trash can is 2 feet away.
The parent says nothing.
No respect for his or her city or town.
Possibly spending the remainder of the day cleaning the parking lot would help.

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Feb 26, 2021 12:51:18   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
lindajoy wrote:
Stay healthy and safe, please...


LOL,, linda, thank you for the well wishes.. I plan on lingering for quite a while..

I do feel fine.. much better then my whining may sound..

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Feb 26, 2021 13:48:19   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
permafrost wrote:
Nwtk,,, nay,, I care little about coastal areas in the welfare of humans.. those that live in the flood areas will have to handle it.. some have already built tide walls etc..

I do have concern about the growing of crops and the changing conditions affecting both yield and quality..

The bread bowl of India has become so hot that the green revolution verities from the 70s can not survive. so the farmers face the dilemma of growing the old verities which do not yield the required amount or the trying the high yielding ones which may not survive to give any yield at all..

The California valley, has lost a great deal a/c the dry drought years of the past decades..

Our great plains/wheat fields are on the edge of failure. dry seasons and the new strains of rust effecting wheat may see our food cost become prohibitive..

Anyway, food production around the world is my concern.. I like to eat..

And of course the true emergency is that the droughts will affect the great need of production of coffee and beer the two great essentials of Americans..

It is real and joking will not change that..

If you do not believe in human caused CC, then simply recognize the obvious happening and make what changes you can.. even if not effective as we wish, they do no harm and improve our world..
Nwtk,,, nay,, I care little about coastal areas in... (show quote)


If you would like to follow the grain and other commodity markets
https://www.barchart.com/futures/major-commodities
On the right-hand side are Links with 3 dots, click on the dots and charts will give you an idea of the market
bullish or bearish.
Also market overview and commentary.

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Feb 26, 2021 15:03:46   #
Big Kahuna
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
You never acknowledge ANY action to take, none, and no evidence is an absolute lie, but you go ahead and live with it, I don't care, but don't stop us from making improvements to the environment, that's more then stupid that's insane. There's been the same proof as when we addressed the ozone, and improved it, the same with red tide, the same proof with acid rain, the same with water damage from detergent's do I need to go on, all the evidence IS there, you being a denier doesn't make it all go away, you're simply another scared ostrich, stop telling me I'm not giving you evidence that's a lie. The point always goes back to doing something about it.

You folks deny man's impact, yet since this pandemic, we've had cleaner air since decades...more proof of the destruction of man. We need to be responsible to what WE DO...Period.

Here's a story for you, a man goes to the doctor because he's having a hard time catching his breath, the doctor asks him if he smokes, he says yes, the doctor tells him he may not get cancer but will most probably get COPD, and he needs to quit smoking if he wants to live a long vital life, the man says well that's not for certain, I feel ok, thanks Doc, some years later the man's on an O2 machine and can't walk more than ten paces without getting out of breath, after a pathetic end of time, he dies. If only he had listen to the doctor and just quit smoking. The End.
You never acknowledge ANY action to take, none, an... (show quote)


This man would have died even earlier if he had taken the advice of his doctor who told him he could get all of his daily nutritional needs just from our current food groups and not taken action. Luckily the man supplemented his diet with vitamins, minerals and clean water and extended his life by 5 years. Your doctor doesn't always know best. Doctors used to say smoking was good for you. "Have a Coke and a Camel", was all the rage at one time.

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Feb 26, 2021 15:05:26   #
Big Kahuna
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
What a completely ignorant comment.


Nothing ignorant about it but you surely are.

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Feb 26, 2021 15:07:15   #
Big Kahuna
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
That's a bogus comment and you know it, done here with you.


Barra"whodat" can't even prove that he exists let alone trying to prove that climate change brought on by man exists.

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Feb 26, 2021 15:09:30   #
Big Kahuna
 
permafrost wrote:
img src="https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/ima... (show quote)


Distrust big government. They can come to your house, break your door down and drag you off to a FEMA camp just because you exist. Industry can't do that.

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Feb 26, 2021 15:16:45   #
Big Kahuna
 
America 1 wrote:
Smoking and breathing air are not quite the same.
Most people do care about the environment.
What I witness often, a kid comes out of a store with candy and tosses the wrapper on the ground the trash can is 2 feet away.
The parent says nothing.
No respect for his or her city or town.
Possibly spending the remainder of the day cleaning the parking lot would help.


I agree. I say, clean up our environment 1st before you start harping about the bogus climate change. We all know this is about raping the American tax payer for even more money to help fund the elite class. I think I'll start a movement to eradicate the color black since it absorbs too much of the sun's rays and robs others of equal heat distribution from the sun. Too many melanocytes could be bad for the environment.

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Feb 26, 2021 15:19:25   #
Big Kahuna
 
permafrost wrote:
LOL,, linda, thank you for the well wishes.. I plan on lingering for quite a while..

I do feel fine.. much better then my whining may sound..


Perm, I hear your favorite wine (whine) is, "I want to go to Miami!"

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Feb 26, 2021 15:42:32   #
ChJoe
 
permafrost wrote:
Nwtk,,, nay,, I care little about coastal areas in the welfare of humans.. those that live in the flood areas will have to handle it.. some have already built tide walls etc..

I do have concern about the growing of crops and the changing conditions affecting both yield and quality..

The bread bowl of India has become so hot that the green revolution verities from the 70s can not survive. so the farmers face the dilemma of growing the old verities which do not yield the required amount or the trying the high yielding ones which may not survive to give any yield at all..

The California valley, has lost a great deal a/c the dry drought years of the past decades..

Our great plains/wheat fields are on the edge of failure. dry seasons and the new strains of rust effecting wheat may see our food cost become prohibitive..

Anyway, food production around the world is my concern.. I like to eat..

And of course the true emergency is that the droughts will affect the great need of production of coffee and beer the two great essentials of Americans..

It is real and joking will not change that..

If you do not believe in human caused CC, then simply recognize the obvious happening and make what changes you can.. even if not effective as we wish , they do no harm and improve our world..
Nwtk,,, nay,, I care little about coastal areas in... (show quote)


Mr permafrost, it appears that you are feeling better about things this day, you were so nice to me and now Mr Nwtk.

I will say this is what I think; the overall world climate does, indeed, for at least the short term, appear to be warming and maybe even man has some small amount of impact but that is only a guess. I do understand the science of green house gases. I think we can try some things but I don't think we should up end our economy or energy producing systems just yet. At present on could predict that optimum growing areas will shift to the north for the northern hemisphere in to areas not compatible with our needs at present. Who can predict some areas, though. Siberia might become the garden spot of the earth soon. You could ask Monsanto and Bill Gates. Both are buying up land by the thousands of acres at a time.

I also don't think China or India are going to do anything to help; they just want our money. I think we stay as clean as we can. Use more natural gas. Work to improve wind and solar but also we should stay energy independent. For while we might exhaust our economy to be compliant with the Paris accord, most will not.

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Feb 26, 2021 22:17:19   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
You never acknowledge ANY action to take, none, and no evidence is an absolute lie, but you go ahead and live with it, I don't care, but don't stop us from making improvements to the environment, that's more then stupid that's insane. There's been the same proof as when we addressed the ozone, and improved it, the same with red tide, the same proof with acid rain, the same with water damage from detergent's do I need to go on, all the evidence IS there, you being a denier doesn't make it all go away, you're simply another scared ostrich, stop telling me I'm not giving you evidence that's a lie. The point always goes back to doing something about it.

You folks deny man's impact, yet since this pandemic, we've had cleaner air since decades...more proof of the destruction of man. We need to be responsible to what WE DO...Period.

Here's a story for you, a man goes to the doctor because he's having a hard time catching his breath, the doctor asks him if he smokes, he says yes, the doctor tells him he may not get cancer but will most probably get COPD, and he needs to quit smoking if he wants to live a long vital life, the man says well that's not for certain, I feel ok, thanks Doc, some years later the man's on an O2 machine and can't walk more than ten paces without getting out of breath, after a pathetic end of time, he dies. If only he had listen to the doctor and just quit smoking. The End.
You never acknowledge ANY action to take, none, an... (show quote)


Who's the denier? It's you.
I have never said there was no evidence. I have repeatedly said we need to do more, much more, to clean up our environment. i have spent my whole life working toward that goal. No, I am not convinced that man is the primary cause of gcc. I need more credible evidence of that specific accusation. And no, I am not convinced that we are on the verge of yet another catastrophe that MUST be fixed NOW or we will all die in fill-in-the-blank years.
To use your story, you go to that same doctor and he says "You're developing copd. It will make your life terrible, and kill you in twenty to thirty years if you do not stop now. Also, I suspect you have lung cancer, and I insist that we attempt a double lung transplant to save your life". You say, "Good grief! The x-rays showed cancer? How much? Where? Has it spread?"
The doctor replies that "We did not do x-rays. The tests we've done are not conclusive, and are subject to interpretation. But based on the fact that 90% of all doctors concur that smoking will eventually lead to lung cancer, we've scheduled the surgery for in the morning. I am completely sure that if you do not do the surgery you will be dead within a year.
How's that for a story?
I would like to play nice with you, and learn from each other....maybe even seek a compromise that will help our environment. But clearly you are singularly interested in Only Your Way.
Good luck with that. There are a LOT of intelligent skeptics standing in your way.

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Feb 26, 2021 22:30:17   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
ChJoe wrote:
Mr permafrost, it appears that you are feeling better about things this day, you were so nice to me and now Mr Nwtk.

I will say this is what I think; the overall world climate does, indeed, for at least the short term, appear to be warming and maybe even man has some small amount of impact but that is only a guess. I do understand the science of green house gases. I think we can try some things but I don't think we should up end our economy or energy producing systems just yet. At present on could predict that optimum growing areas will shift to the north for the northern hemisphere in to areas not compatible with our needs at present. Who can predict some areas, though. Siberia might become the garden spot of the earth soon. You could ask Monsanto and Bill Gates. Both are buying up land by the thousands of acres at a time.

I also don't think China or India are going to do anything to help; they just want our money. I think we stay as clean as we can. Use more natural gas. Work to improve wind and solar but also we should stay energy independent. For while we might exhaust our economy to be compliant with the Paris accord, most will not.
Mr permafrost, it appears that you are feeling bet... (show quote)


Absolutely correct! I agree with every word! And I also agree with Permafrost's comment. Let's do what we can as individuals, families, and local communities, while the studies and research continue. If Barracuda is correct (doubtful) then the simple act of cutting back on driving during the pandemic did MAJOR clean up of the environment. If true, then a very few simple steps will solve the problem. Personally, I do not think it will be that easy because I am not convinced industry is the primary cause of the warming. But let's all agee to do what we can without moving back to hunting and gathering.

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