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Feb 18, 2021 13:51:48   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Queens, New York City
 
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.

Feb 18, 2021 13:57:30   #
nwtk2007
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


We had a storm like this in Dec 1989. A killer ice storm in Jan 1978. Was that also caused by climate change?

What we have is too many people moving in too fast. They come on faster than infrastructure can keep up. The areas where most of the outages occurred were fields back then. Now they are suburban sprawl.

Feb 18, 2021 13:58:34   #
JW
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


Freezing Texas is evidence that warming isn't global. Weather is global though. Weather changes every year.

 
 
Feb 18, 2021 14:01:18   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


Lack of power is just the beginning of their problems. There's frozen pipes, collapsed ceilings and food spoilage.

Feb 18, 2021 14:02:56   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
We had a storm like this in Dec 1989. A killer ice storm in Jan 1978. Was that also caused by climate change?

What we have is too many people moving in too fast. They come on faster than infrastructure can keep up. The areas where most of the outages occurred were fields back then. Now they are suburban sprawl.


It's failure to spend the dollars necessary to insulate natural gas lines (or bury therm deeper) and to be prepared for these storms. It's hard to believe Texas generates more power than any other state. But not now. They also aren't connected to the power grid.

Feb 18, 2021 14:05:15   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
JW wrote:
Freezing Texas is evidence that warming isn't global. Weather is global though. Weather changes every year.


A very debatable topic.

Feb 18, 2021 14:24:19   #
Hug
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


Just talked to a leading citizen in Houston. The problem in Houstion is the politicians did not want to spend the money to insulate the gas pipes.

 
 
Feb 18, 2021 14:31:43   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


Another asinine opinion .

The only people suffering are the idiots who have immigrated to Texas to escape from their own shit hole states.

They came here ill-educated and ignorant of basic preparation protocols.

'Real' Texans are self sufficient and we are well prepared for weather related disasters.

So we just hunker down and watch as the ne'er do wells scramble in desperation.

Feb 18, 2021 14:38:01   #
son of witless
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


So these kinds of weather events never happened before the widespread use of fossil fuels ?

Feb 18, 2021 14:54:03   #
woodguru
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


People have a very limited understanding of the Enron government created crisis in California that cost the state some $40 Billion...it was pure a unmitigated deregulation disaster. It was government willfully failing to do it's job in a way that was designed to keep what happened from happening. The architects of ERCOT were involved with Enron, the dynamic principles of energy prices influenced by disaster are the same. In a regulated energy grid disasters don't radically ramp up prices as we saw in Enron and now in Texas.

People aren't talking about the financial impact here, people are going to get bills for two or three weeks of power that are ten times and more higher than they are used to, because the Texas ERCOT system has no federal regulations that protect people from just that.

Feb 18, 2021 14:56:28   #
woodguru
 
son of witless wrote:
So these kinds of weather events never happened before the widespread use of fossil fuels ?


Societies and their technology are supposed to adapt and provide for unexpected disasters, getting hit with something new is a crisis, getting hit with something again after doing nothing to mitigate it is often criminal.

 
 
Feb 18, 2021 14:58:22   #
RascalRiley
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Another asinine opinion .

The only people suffering are the idiots who have immigrated to Texas to escape from their own shit hole states.

They came here ill-educated and ignorant of basic preparation protocols.

'Real' Texans are self sufficient and we are well prepared for weather related disasters.

So we just hunker down and watch as the ne'er do wells scramble in desperation.


To lift a finger to help would be in-American

Feb 18, 2021 15:00:34   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Another asinine opinion .

The only people suffering are the idiots who have immigrated to Texas to escape from their own shit hole states.

They came here ill-educated and ignorant of basic preparation protocols.

'Real' Texans are self sufficient and we are well prepared for weather related disasters.

So we just hunker down and watch as the ne'er do wells scramble in desperation.


So I guess you're calling those 4+ million without power idiots?

Feb 18, 2021 15:11:03   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
So I guess you're calling those 4+ million without power idiots?


No...... but your question most definitely is idiotic.

Many who are without power are like me and have back up power.

Any True Texan knows that to be prepared is to be a survivor.

Many of those out of power and resources are the millions of asinine airheads who pour in to Texas to escape their own shit hole states like California and New York.

And now they've moved here expecting the government to come to the rescue every time a little norther blows in.

Feb 18, 2021 16:05:34   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
No...... but your question most definitely is idiotic.

Many who are without power are like me and have back up power.

Any True Texan knows that to be prepared is to be a survivor.

Many of those out of power and resources are the millions of asinine airheads who pour in to Texas to escape their own shit hole states like California and New York.

And now they've moved here expecting the government to come to the rescue every time a little norther blows in.


The coldest I've ever been was in basic training. We left the barracks at 5 AM and it was 85 degrees, by the time we reached the firing range it was 40 and still dropping. None of us had coats. When the Training Instructor got too cold, he called for the buses to come and pick us up. My first Blue Northern. I've seen several flash floods. Went tubing on the Frio one week, then it flooded and went back a week later and trees were laying horizontal in the treetops about forty feet up. That's why we say wait a while and the weather will change. No place like Texas is a true statement. Almost Bluebonnet and Indian Paintbrush time. And all this will be just another memory we can exaggerate, to make a better story. It's what we do, and it's called a tall windy. The more we tell it, the more interesting it gets.

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