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May 2, 2020 03:27:53   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Rose42 wrote:
Fauci has become a bureaucrat and hasn’t seen patients in many years. Being a doctor is a perishable skill. There are other experts out there but they are being largely shut out. The media doesn’t tell people that the vast majority recover. Yet people don’t question, they just do what they’re told.

Not everything adds up.


Rose42,

not only Fauci, they have all become bureaucrats, because the science lags behind reality. When the politics are involved, we should not expect anything less then a scare game to enhance their power!

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May 2, 2020 03:31:38   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
American stats...
Infected: 1,095,000
Recovered: 152,000
Dead: 64,000

Rate of recovery: 14%
Percentage of dead: 5.8%
Yet to be determined: 80.2%

Ratio of recovered vs dead: 2.3:1

Stats taken from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Canuckus Deploracus,

I appreciate the percentages, now give us some believable percentages from China where you live, huh?

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May 2, 2020 08:54:35   #
Mikeyavelli
 
newbear wrote:
Rose42,

not only Fauci, they have all become bureaucrats, because the science lags behind reality. When the politics are involved, we should not expect anything less then a scare game to enhance their power!


Fowtchy and Birx are assassins in lab coats.
They are doing what Mueller and Stormy and Quid Pro Quo couldn't do.

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May 3, 2020 01:45:08   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Pennylynn wrote:
On average, 8,000 people die daily in the USA....and many of the deaths attributed to covid-19 are actually deaths from natural causes. Another fact, if you factor in those people now testing positive for antibodies, the number of all covid-19 cases would be closer to 1.5 million....but that will never be reported because it would drive the death rate to less than 00.5 percent...it would also drive the 'recovered' to over 600,000 and that would almost be half of the reported active cases of 876,000.

What WHO and CDC is not publishing is the R0, pronounced “R naught,” of the virus. But, an earlier study based on information from China, gives covid-19 a RO of 5.7..... meaning that each of the half million people who were infected and did not know it infected up to 5.7 individuals and those people infected up to 5.7 and so forth even before the US knew we were invaded. What this means, that 1.5 million is a very low estimate....the other concern, we know there are at least two strains of this virus.... what is the RO of the more lethal strain, the East coast strain? If that RO is close to 5, then we should begin to see not just a flattening of the curve, but a decline in infections in some populations, specifically in white and Latin women. This would also mean that the 82 percent herd immunity has already been reached in many over populated cities.
On average, 8,000 people die daily in the USA....a... (show quote)


Pennylynn,

Thank you for the breath of fresh air - it seems that the powers that be are cynically holding on to power.

Like Rahm Emmanuel once (recently0) said "let's not let a crisis go to waste".

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May 3, 2020 02:22:54   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good advice...

Shouldn't need to tell people to avoid the plague....


Canuckus Deplorackus,

we did come a long way to "how many shopping days I have left", right?

My wife's great grandmother and her husband endured the two plagues, the Russo-Japanese war and the Boxer rebellion at the turn of the 19-20th century. She wrote a book about those experiences titled "An Irishwoman In China" by Emily Daly DeBurgh. They both were dedicated Irish "royalist' missionaries running hospitals in couple of places in the Central China, on of them she called Darien, now Dalien, I believe.

The point is, thes ancestors lived through all this, which seems almost heroic in comparison to the contemporaries' reaction to todays "pandemic". Is this an English word implying "pandering" to fear?

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May 3, 2020 02:29:36   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Geo wrote:
Now that's what sarcasm sounds like.
Give Trump a lesson, he dosen't get it.


Geo,

you mistake an infantile half-rant for a sarcasm? Please look it up, buddy.

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May 3, 2020 02:53:59   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
That's my philosophy too Jeff. This is one big hoax. Oh I know the virus is real, some of the things that came with it. You can't buy seeds, but you can buy alcohol. Completely illogical.



Lt. Rob,

the weed is cheaper than cigarettes or any tobacco, completely logical, no? But the tobacco does not make people stupid, that is the difference...

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May 3, 2020 03:44:42   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
mgershowitz wrote:
I can’t believe someone would actually write something so short-sighted and ignorant:
1.) Why would Trump stay closely aligned with people who’s sole intent is to undermine him? Do you honestly think he’s stupid?
2.) How can anyone be so absolutely intolerant to the slightest differences in opinion? Do faux feelings of intellectual superiority excuse completely dismissing alternate opinions as unworthy?


Mgershowitz,

On this site, you will find all kinds of "snowflakes" intolerant of an intelligent dissent, who also adopted the larger (anti)-social media label "troll", never really defining it.

It is to the credit of the OPP moderators to let all or most of this pass without consequences, unlike other sites that are unabashedly proud of their agendas.

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May 3, 2020 03:56:13   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree that data is insufficient... But we need to base calculations on numbers known, not numbers suspected or hoped for...

There is no indication that 98% of the infected will recover... China shows that 5.6% of infected ultimately died... With many other nations showing higher numbers...

That is not including those that suffered long-term or permanent side effects from the infection (somewhere between 5-20% of the recovered)...

And I was merely showing the current ratio of recovery to death... It's an important number...

I'm not sure where the 10-50 million infected number comes from... But due to the lack of testing, I agree that the number of infected iz almost certainly higher than what is being reported...

Perhaps that should be rectified before major decisions like loosening the guidelines are made???
I agree that data is insufficient... But we need ... (show quote)


Canuckus Deploracus,

ultimately, it is the American people who decide what major decisions have to be made as regards loosening the what you call "guidelines".

Did you visit your Canadian pals in prison yet?

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May 3, 2020 03:59:45   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
GoCubs wrote:
Thanks for putting your fellow man at further risk by downplaying this deadly disease that intelligent people are taking seriously. How much money do you need when you are dead?


Go Cubs

are you threatening us all? How dare you, you brave dude...

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May 3, 2020 04:08:01   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Factor in the “R naught” at 5.7 for recovered, so 2 million recovered plus 5.7 for each and 5.7 for each of those contact...and so on, the contact goes way up....and most are unaware of contact or infection. Until the vast majority of people living in the US the ratio can not be pin pointed. My guess would be well over 100/1.

I agree, allow those who want to return to work (<60) restart their lives….their risk is no greater than getting season influenza. For those afraid to leave home, let them continue to hunker down....I just hope they have adequate savings to last for the next year or so when a proven vaccine becomes available. As for our frail population, they should take every precaution.
Factor in the “R naught” at 5.7 for recovered, so ... (show quote)


Pennylynn,

thank you for repeating the same old stuff to the daft among us, with a limited success to wit, but keep on trying.

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May 3, 2020 08:23:25   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
newbear wrote:
Pennylynn,

thank you for repeating the same old stuff to the daft among us, with a limited success to wit, but keep on trying.


I try....and I get ignored. I doubt that the majority of OPP reads what I write or care for the science or logic. So, thank you for reading and comments.

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May 3, 2020 15:48:34   #
saltwind78
 
tbutkovich wrote:
I am not worried about dying. I have put my faith in Jesus Christ.

This virus is no worse than the flu. We need to take special precautions with those at risk. I have heart disease and am high risk.

Before restaurants were shut down here in Arizona, I went to crowded restaurants twice a week up to March 19th when they decided to shut them down. Did not contract the disease. My wife and I do practice social distancing.

Suddenly an immense “fear factor” has been spread by Dr. Fauci and the MSM and supported by a group of totalitarian slanted governors.

What amazes me is that you are a Vietnam Veteran that fought for our country and believe in the freedoms of Americans but are willing to give up your rights for a hoax. The elite are privileged and can do as they choose but the workers and businesses are denied their right to work and earn a living.

You have been ensnared in Charlottes Web. Are we to close down our businesses every time we have a flu or virus? The original projected numbers presented by the CDC actually justified a serious concern and severe actions like business shutdowns and lockdowns. The revised numbers indicate this virus is no worse than the flu and that the CDC was wrong in their assessment and the government should have shortened the lockdown and minimized the time of small business shutdown.

By the way, as a Vietnam Veteran, thank you for your service. Stay safe!
I am not worried about dying. I have put my faith... (show quote)


I congratulate you on your faith, and thank you about your kind words concerning my service. It seems like so long ago. This virus is much worse than the flu. It has a higher mortality rate, and is far more contagious. An infected person may be feel no symptoms for up to two weeks. During those two weeks there is no telling how many people will catch cover from him. Those that did can infect many more people , and so on. my greatest fear is that the federal government and especially the states are relaxing safety standards way too early.

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May 3, 2020 17:11:36   #
Navigator
 
saltwind78 wrote:
I congratulate you on your faith, and thank you about your kind words concerning my service. It seems like so long ago. This virus is much worse than the flu. It has a higher mortality rate, and is far more contagious. An infected person may be feel no symptoms for up to two weeks. During those two weeks there is no telling how many people will catch cover from him. Those that did can infect many more people , and so on. my greatest fear is that the federal government and especially the states are relaxing safety standards way too early.
I congratulate you on your faith, and thank you ab... (show quote)


Salty, get with the most recent research. For people aged 0 to 35, the annual flu is significantly more deadly than Covid-19. For those aged 35-55 the flu and Covid-19 has about equal lethality. For those 55-65, Covid-19 is more deadly but not hugely so, while for those 65-75 Covid-19 is quite a bit more deadly while for those older than 75, both are pretty deadly. Now that you know all this, tell me again why you think it is a good idea to continue destroying our economy when the under 55 work force can go back to work tomorrow with no more risk than they usually have every year during the flu season, most hospitals are half full and laying off medical personnel and PPE is more than adequate everywhere?

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May 4, 2020 03:43:30   #
truthiness
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I try....and I get ignored. I doubt that the majority of OPP reads what I write or care for the science or logic. So, thank you for reading and comments.


I don't miss one of your posts!

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