eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"Salty, get with the most recent research. For people aged 0 to 35, the annual flu is significantly more deadly than C****-**. For those aged 35-55 the flu and C****-** has about equal lethality. For those 55-65, C****-** is more deadly but not hugely so, while for those 65-75 C****-** is quite a bit more deadly while for those older than 75, both are pretty deadly. Now that you know all this, tell me again why you think it is a good idea to continue destroying our economy when the under 55 work force can go back to work tomorrow with no more risk than they usually have every year during the flu season, most hospitals are half full and laying off medical personnel and PPE is more than adequate everywhere?"

Yep! Today;, Americans can start doing what Americans do best.
WORK and produce!

saltwind78

Rose, I think the t***h is simple. The more open we are, and inattentive to this p******c, the faster it will spread, and the more people will die. If we open our society too fast, we will have a second wave of the v***s with even more deaths and misery than we have had up until now. We should not gather in large crowds, we should venture out of the house only when it can't be avoided and finally, when we are outside our own protected environment, we should wear masks, wash our hands frequently, and be super careful. Stay safe, and be well.

Singularity

The problem is not just with how contagious and deadly the v***s can be, but with how much technology, trained personnel and other expensive physical resources are needed to restore a sick person to health. It is clear that if ignored and tolerated, treating only those with dangerous complications, much as we do with the flu, our medical system is inadequate to handle the sudden dramatic increase of extra, severely ill people, who though they cannot be cured immediately, do require and benefit from intense supportive medical care.

Once the healthcare system is overwhelmed by too many patients requiring a month of the highest degree of technical care and personal supervision in the ICU's, with additionally expensive infectious disease precautions (which must be rigidly adhered to with every contact) after spending a couple of weeks roaming about touching stuff and breathing in other peoples faces, (infected but asymptomatic,) the danger of massive increases in the death tolls result.

Not just from C***D **. From everything. Everything from heart attacks to funny breast lumps to an asthmatic child who starts breathing funny again are more deadly situations than before when the emergency room is packed with people with just sniffles(?) folks linger at home in doubt and fear of contagion instead of getting checked out at the ER or their doctors office. As has played out more fully in some other countries already.....

Until there is a fast effective treatment or a v*****e that eliminates the risk, people will keep catching this and a certain number who catch it will die of it, whether one person every day for a million days or a million people all on one day, the toll is the same by the end. We have shown we can slow its progress down with shutdowns and social distancing practices to just about the level our system can keep pace with and operate under. That is the extent to which we actually have some tenuous control for now.

The danger of contagion won't be over till the v***s can be cured or v******ted for. Since it cannot be stopped it will have to be managed. The guidelines for reopening the economy are also the test, as the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

HOW we manage it with the opposing calamity being wrought upon the fabric of our lives and the economy is the question of the day! Incremental steps, wait and see, proceed or retreat intelligently based on results.

If, Then....

That is the plan we have.

I reckon we shall see how it goes. It is concerning that so many States and local authorities are not reading or implementing that first "if!" That being the consideration of decreasing restrictions based on having a flat or decreasing curve of new cases and deaths for two weeks, THEN.....

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

I presented facts on the Spanish Flu.........sorry you’re incapable of actually following a thread! You accused someone else of not being an adult! LOL! Maybe you should look in the mirror and check if it was actually YOU!

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

What needs to happen, is that C*******t Chine must be held accountable financially!!!
Trillion$!

Navigator

From your post:
"The problem is not just with how contagious and deadly the v***s can be, but with how much technology, trained personnel and other expensive physical resources are needed to restore a sick person to health. It is clear that if ignored and tolerated, treating only those with dangerous complications, much as we do with the flu, our medical system is inadequate to handle the sudden dramatic increase of extra, severely ill people, who though they cannot be cured immediately, do require and benefit from intense supportive medical care."

The worse place in the entire world was right here in NY and even here the medical facilities were NEVER overwhelmed. No where in the country is there the intense population density and mass t***sit use there is in metro NY, so nowhere in the rest of the country will it be even nearly as bad as it was here, in other words, manageable. Another quote from your post: "...decreasing restrictions based on having a flat or decreasing curve of new cases and deaths for two weeks...". What scientific findings mandate a two week decrease instead of an 8 day or 10 day or a 3 week decrease? Answer: None Here in NY Herr Cuomo is going to keep the upstate counties locked down until at least May 15. As of last week, in the two months the v***s has been ravishing the metro NY area there were 6 upstate counties with zero deaths, 6 with 1 death, 6 with 2 deaths and 9 with 3 deaths. In other words, 27 counties have had 3 or fewer deaths from C****-** in the last two months but Cuomo says they need to stay closed. One of his reasons is that excess hospital capacity has not reached 30% statewide, its hovering at 26%; REALLY!!! What scientific evidence is there that 26% isn't good enough? Again, none. If is stays between 26% and 30% for weeks, we should not reopen? This is insanity, pure and simple. Keep and eye on Florida where they have been and continue to do the right thing.

Singularity

You had me thinking until you mentioned Florida Man, lol! Sorry, couldnt resist a little jibe.

I think the two weeks is the distance between the point of infectious contact, which is relative to the degree of social distancing and restrictions, where we can exercise behavioral controls, and the amount of time for maximal symptom development which is relative to the future point where the present day efforts will be seen to have had the most significant effect. So today's number of hospitalizations seem to reflect the number of infections contracted two weeks before. As we know, most get no symptoms or recover at home, and a certain percentage go bad. Two weeks seems close enough to that bad breaking point that, since we don't have adequate testing and tracing of contacts to predict trends in the numbers, folks have so far had to make do with that approximation. It sorta works. Testing and contact tracing data would help.

As to reopening schedules and surrounding interrelated or separate pockets of populations, it would seem wise to have some overall directives and projections with details decided locally by those who best understand their areas and concerns.

I think we are headed there, but the degree of cooperation and coordination to be required is bound to be tricky.

Navigator

I like jibes but where you gave me one didn't penetrate my thick skull. Yes the two weeks is around the average where people seek hospitalization but some people are looking to be hospitalized after 5 days and others don't come in for a month so "sorta works" is absolutely not good enough to delay the dire necessity of opening back up unless it is just treated as a "sort of time". I am extremely leery however when I see governor Cuomo insisting 26% excess hospital capacity is not good enough and we MUST have 30% and see things like the governor of Oregon insisting the entire state of Oregon remain closed until July 6 when the entire state has had only 113 deaths in almost 3 months. I can easily see governor Cuomo looking at a 12 day decrease in hospitalizations followed by a 3 day spike causing him to extend the lock down another two weeks or until we do see a full 2 week decrease. We've already moved the goalpost for re-opening so far from leveling the curve to allow the health care system to catch up; I don't think these Democrat governors are finished moving the goalpost yet.

tbutkovich

Why were’nt seniors with the v***s sent to the Navy Ship for treatment and not back to the nursing homes where staff also got the v***s because they did not have the required protective gear. Both staff and patients got sick from CV and many died!

The left want Cuomo to run for president based on his speeches but he is not very wise and a horrible decision maker. Let’s hope he never runs and gets elected. With his lousy track record, I would h**e to see this guy be the head of the executive branch!

Singularity

A wiseguy from my home state of Tennessee! Try to excuse the potty mouth, or skip it all together and save your soul if you are into that sort of thing, its all in good fun!
https://m.facebook.com/traecrowder/videos/188237028929730/

saltwind78

Just an update, The death count for this nation as of today is over eighty two thousand deaths. According to Trumps model , this number will surpass one hundred eighty thousand by Aug. 4th. Thats only the first surge.

newbear Loc: New York City

tbutkovich,

let's remind ourselves forever of 5,200 deaths of our elders Cuomo sent from the hospitals to nursing homes - by his executive order.

Tu se provieno svachim, Andy Cuomo!

Mikeyavelli

So then, how is electing Biddie Biden going to stop the Pelosi V***s?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

C*******t China used Germ Warfare on the USA and the world.
Aren't there rules and punishments in international law pertaining to germ warfare?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Since Joe Biden and his son, H****r, have received billions of dollars from Red China; should they be fined as agents of Red China?