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May 1, 2020 11:39:12   #
tbutkovich
 
mgershowitz wrote:
Ultimate intelligence? Why the hyperbole...
G-d gave man a brain to think with; what better tool do we have? History also clearly teaches us faith alone won’t work or why would a million innocent children been doomed to a horrible death in the N**i ovens during WWII?


God gave mankind free will. The evil that happens is not the work of God. It is the work of the devil that has captured the hearts and souls of men!

Typical left wing liberals choose to blame the faithful, blame prayer, blame God, blame Christians.

The blame should be placed on the non-believer who lacking the Holy Spirit but filled with evil spirit do these horrible things!

By the content of your post, you seem to think like a secular humanist that man with his intelligence can overcome the evil and do so without God. You are so lacking in wisdom!

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May 1, 2020 11:46:43   #
tbutkovich
 
Rose42 wrote:
Some are stupid indeed. But others can watch and read the news and see the contradictions and what they're NOT reporting - the omissions and who they silence.

You and many others make the mistake of thinking all who question are downplaying the disease. We aren't. And we're not stupid but aware.

There is no wisdom in blindly believing the government. None. This is the same government that has experimented on its own people in the past. Why on earth would you put so much blind trust in them?

People need to THINK.
Some are stupid indeed. But others can watch and ... (show quote)



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May 1, 2020 11:49:52   #
tbutkovich
 
mgershowitz wrote:
First time since 1918 shutting down everything was necessary (I assume you’re not 100+ years old) and thank the good lord for F***i and Birx; hopefully these ultra rightwing conspiracy theorist nut-jobs won’t successfully pressure Trump into firing them (which would unleash holy hell)


He doesn’t need to fire them, just place them on the backburner. I can think of some governors he should fire if he were able to do so!

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May 1, 2020 11:51:05   #
tbutkovich
 
GoCubs wrote:
Good post. Unfortunately, and quite simply, MANY people are just plain stupid. Science, schmience. More unfortunately, in about six weeks or so, these downplayers of this disease are going to finally realize how wrong they were. Most unfortunately though, is that their stupidity is going to cost many of us who are wise and responsible our lives.


Your another Alarmist! Go Tigers!

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May 1, 2020 11:53:39   #
tbutkovich
 
GoCubs wrote:
Lol. Exactly. Hard to spend money when you're dead.


So spend the next to years in lockdown or until the v*****e is developed. The choice is yours!

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May 1, 2020 12:05:57   #
tbutkovich
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree that data is insufficient... But we need to base calculations on numbers known, not numbers suspected or hoped for...

There is no indication that 98% of the infected will recover... China shows that 5.6% of infected ultimately died... With many other nations showing higher numbers...

That is not including those that suffered long-term or permanent side effects from the infection (somewhere between 5-20% of the recovered)...

And I was merely showing the current ratio of recovery to death... It's an important number...

I'm not sure where the 10-50 million infected number comes from... But due to the lack of testing, I agree that the number of infected iz almost certainly higher than what is being reported...

Perhaps that should be rectified before major decisions like loosening the guidelines are made???
I agree that data is insufficient... But we need ... (show quote)


The numbers are high due to some stupid decisions by politicians. In New York, Governor Cuomo ordered Nursing Homes to accept C***d ** patients and care for them. That turned out to be a terrible decision which resulted in an unnecessary increase in deaths in that state. In Florida, Governor DiSantos targeted those high at risk with a medical condition to be protected. The deaths in his state are far less.

With respect to Cuomo, YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID!

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May 1, 2020 12:19:29   #
tbutkovich
 
As of April 30th, New York City has 12967 deaths which represents about 20%of the deaths across the country. Most of those deaths occurred in Nursing Homes. Perhaps Gov Cuomo’s decision to put CV infected patients in these homes in spite of opposition by staffers is the reason the deaths are so high in New York City and the state of New York.

Must not just look at numbers, but what caused the numbers. In New York, it was government policy!

Don’t put too much trust in your government. It can k**l you or in the case of the economy, cause you financial ruin!

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May 1, 2020 12:23:12   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
saltwind78 wrote:
A few weeks ago, a poster said we ought to go back to work and not worry about the sniffles.We now have had over a million cases of c***d19, with over sixty thousand American deaths. Here in the South, stores are reopening as are all kinds of other businesses and crowded beaches. Dr. F***i and other p******c medical specialists are warning us in no uncertain terms that this will cause both c****a cases and deaths to increase, and cause a second surge. I urge all people to stay home, if you have to go out, maintain social distancing and wear protective gear. STAY WELL.
A few weeks ago, a poster said we ought to go back... (show quote)


Why are the so-called facts of the situation, infection rates, and death rates keep changing.....follow the money, and politics of the left! This is a crisis born out of a s**m to unseat a duly elected President! This v***s exist, but it is manageable, and should not shut-down an economy! “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.”

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May 1, 2020 12:34:02   #
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. Loc: Pa
 
tbutkovich wrote:
God gave mankind free will. The evil that happens is not the work of God. It is the work of the devil that has captured the hearts and souls of men!

Typical left wing liberals choose to blame the faithful, blame prayer, blame God, blame Christians.

The blame should be placed on the non-believer who lacking the Holy Spirit but filled with evil spirit do these horrible things!

By the content of your post, you seem to think like a secular humanist that man with his intelligence can overcome the evil and do so without God. You are so lacking in wisdom!
God gave mankind free will. The evil that happens... (show quote)


Commingling politics and religion into this discussion is off the mark. Nobody is blaming God or Christians. If faith is your crutch to get you through this, fine. But don't rely on it to save your life. The v***s doesn't know or care about your politics or religious persuasion.

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May 1, 2020 12:39:55   #
tbutkovich
 
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. wrote:
Commingling politics and religion into this discussion is off the mark. Nobody is blaming God or Christians. If faith is your crutch to get you through this, fine. But don't rely on it to save your life. The v***s doesn't know or care about your politics or religious persuasion.


I don’t rely on faith to save my physical life but do expect it will save my spiritual life!

As for politics, the politicians decisions can and will affect my physical life and financial well being as well as that of many others who are subject to their bad decisions!

Not worried about the v***s. I will do my best to care for myself but will let the chips fall where it may. My life and the lives of others is a crapshoot.

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May 1, 2020 13:27:16   #
tbutkovich
 
Also worth mentioning. Governor Cuomo would not allow chloroquine to be used initially. When he finally allowed it to be administered to C***d ** patients, he imposed restrictions directing it could only be administered to those admitted to hospitals. Those who went to see their doctors and had c****av***s symptoms were quarantined not treated. Letting doctors decide on their patients outside a clinical setting may have also saved many lives. When I get sick and my treatment is restricted by a government official, I will seek treatment in a neighboring state.

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May 1, 2020 15:31:06   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
saltwind78 wrote:
A few weeks ago, a poster said we ought to go back to work and not worry about the sniffles.We now have had over a million cases of c***d19, with over sixty thousand American deaths. Here in the South, stores are reopening as are all kinds of other businesses and crowded beaches. Dr. F***i and other p******c medical specialists are warning us in no uncertain terms that this will cause both c****a cases and deaths to increase, and cause a second surge. I urge all people to stay home, if you have to go out, maintain social distancing and wear protective gear. STAY WELL.
A few weeks ago, a poster said we ought to go back... (show quote)


C****-** and the Media cover up.

That includes You Tube!
I did a search on You Tube;
NY governor executive order for old folks homes to accept C****-** patients
C****-**, Cuomo cover up.
Not One article from FOX, and over 100 from MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, etc.
Then;
With FOX at front of search, several episodes come up after 13 episodes from the other networks.
FOX, NY governor executive order for old folks homes to accept C****-** patients
(Try it yourselves)

BTW:
I saw this; that NY Governor Cuomo ordered Homes to accept C****a infected patients.
I could not find the article that exposed that.

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May 1, 2020 16:22:16   #
Mikeyavelli
 
mgershowitz wrote:
Very clearly said albeit I’m sure you’ve likely also noticed people with opposing points of view don’t really want to hear it! 🙏🏻


The Pelosi V***s is as big a h**x as Obama and c*****e c****e.
All designed to topple America.

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May 1, 2020 16:43:53   #
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. Loc: Pa
 
Keep drinking the kool aid

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May 1, 2020 21:49:43   #
rumitoid
 
saltwind78 wrote:
A few weeks ago, a poster said we ought to go back to work and not worry about the sniffles.We now have had over a million cases of c***d19, with over sixty thousand American deaths. Here in the South, stores are reopening as are all kinds of other businesses and crowded beaches. Dr. F***i and other p******c medical specialists are warning us in no uncertain terms that this will cause both c****a cases and deaths to increase, and cause a second surge. I urge all people to stay home, if you have to go out, maintain social distancing and wear protective gear. STAY WELL.
A few weeks ago, a poster said we ought to go back... (show quote)


U are way too sane and reasonable for this age under Trump.

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