tbutkovich wrote:
Excuse me!
If I was going to get a college education today. I would go to a low cost community college to get my core courses, than switch to a University for my required courses. I would also work part time and in the summers. I would pay for my college education. I provided financial help to three of my kids go to college and it wasn’t easy. Had to work two jobs. My daughters had to work at Cheesecake Factory long hours for tips. My third daughter had to drop out of school a semester to get money to complete her senior year.
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OK... and how does that change anything I've said.
tbutkovich wrote:
These millennials, perhaps your one of them, want to go to the best and most expensive schools for four years, willing to take out school loans th pay the extremely high tuition, study political science or sociology or some other degree program so they don’t have to study too hard and get a degree that’s not worth much in the marketplace. Then when faced with a $160,000.00 bill start whining and want our kids who are now employed and myself to pay for it!
First of all I'm not a millennial, although I have a son and a daughter who ARE millennials and they both went to college as did I. All of us went to community college first, and all of us worked jobs to help pay our way and but unlike me when my kids got to university they found that jobs didn't pay enough to cover it.
Now, I don't know how old you or your daughters are but I went to college in the 80's and my kids went to college within the last 10 years and the difference is mind-boggling. I didn't have to take out loans because in the 80's tuition could be covered with entry-level wages but these variables have changed drastically. Tuitions have skyrocketed and far beyond the the reach of a minimum wage job.
I gotta say, I get little tired of old geezers lecturing young people on what is when they think it's still 1975.
BTW, My son followed my footsteps and got a degree in computer science and my daughter is studying law. Those are not the easiest path (which happens to be a business degree).
tbutkovich wrote:
And they insert it in a bill intended to help working people and businesses. And you see no problem with that?
I might if it were true. Have you even looked at the bill? I'd be willing to bet $5 right now, you haven't. If you have you would know that there's a slew of bills related to covid-19, not just one. Go to
www.senate.gov and look up coronavirus and see for yourself. Let me know if you see ANYTHING about debt forgiveness or funding for abortion.
The problem is that the Democrats know Republicans are trying to take advantage of the people so they are trying to add stipulations to insure we don't get ripped off and instead of just agreeing to be fair the Republicans are playing the smoke and mirrors game while right wing media is just tossing out nuggets they think conservatives can latch on to, like funding abortion and free money for lazy liberals. It's all BS.
Go to the senate site. Look up the bills and stop drinking that damned Kool-Aid.
tbutkovich wrote:
I told my kids they had four years to finish their college education, couldn’t get married til they got their degree, had to work in the summer. They sacrificed. My wife and I sacrificed. I co- signed student loans, paid the notes til they graduated, maxed out my credit cards and now your Democrat leadership wants to put provisions on the coronavirus package asking me to pay for their college tuition!
Again, that provision doesn't exist. But I'm curious about your reaction to the idea. I applaud you and your wife for the sacrifices you made. My wife and I made sacrifices too. It's what parents do. But are you really opposed to student loan forgiveness just because YOU didn't get it? Are you pissed off because you had to make sacrifices so now you want everyone else to make them too?
tbutkovich wrote:
Taxation without representation.
That's not taxation without representation you drama queen. The senators YOU voted for are in there fighting over the bill right now. Representation doesn't necessarily mean getting your way... it means you have someone fighting for you and maybe he wins, maybe he loses. Either way, you're still being represented.
For the sake of reference, there are millions of resident aliens that have to pay taxes just like we do but they don't get to vote. THAT is taxation without representation.
tbutkovich wrote:
They want to slip the provision into a bill intended to help the workers. I am outraged and all those who have paid for their kids education should be likewise.
Again, that provision doesn't exist. So, I guess you are outraged by your own delusion and your self-centered obsession with what you think other people are getting. I'm not bothered by the the idea of debt forgiveness even though I had to work for every penny I spent on my own education. The way I see it, anything that makes a college education accessible to as many Americans as possible is an investment in my future. When I get older and more dependant on professional services provided by a younger generation, I want my choice of doctors to be determined by their ability not the wealth of their families.
tbutkovich wrote:
The snowflake whiners need to man up and pay for their education, college and degree of their choice.
The uptighty-righties need to grow up and stop freaking out about what they think other people are getting.
tbutkovich wrote:
If they borrow and run up a big bill, they not the taxpayer need to pay the cost like our families did! And then you have the call to say “we are filled with vitriol!”
It's education dingbat, not a car. Their education is in YOUR best interest. It's the difference between living in a society filled with uneducated ditch diggers or a society filled with capable professionals. Your choice.
tbutkovich wrote:
By the way, I am in my 70’s and still working so I can retire in a few more years.
I figured you were at least in your 70's. Good luck with your retirement plans.