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Mar 26, 2020 07:47:07   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
The left and Islamists have much more in common than the Islamists and the right. Both want control.

Oh and the right doesn't? Ha, ha! Let's not be idiots... anyone involved in politics wants control.

JFlorio wrote:

One by government the other by clerics.

It's always government Flo... Whether it's the clerics or elected legislators, they always do it through some form of government. Even the Papacy is a form of government.

JFlorio wrote:

Both separate people into groups based on gender, religion and race.

Everyone does that in one way or another... I bet you can't be any more specific. ;) I can because I'm not promoting BS like you are. The left recognizes the differences between people as a matter of consideration while including them in society. The right separates people based on their differences as a matter of exclusion and often times, targeting. The left promotes cultural co-existence, religion doesn't. The right promotes cultural purity and so does religion. The left accepts the existence of homosexuality, the right (including the religious (Muslim or Christian) do not. The left accepts women as equals, the right (including the religious (Muslim or Christian) do not. I can go on and on, but I think you get the point.

JFlorio wrote:

Both are scared of education that is not dictated by them.

Oh, but not the conservatives who will never, ever send their kids to public school, right?

BTW, the only thing the left "dicatates" is that education is based on the scientific method, which is a way for people to think for themselves. Religion on the other hand "dictates" by convention, so that people DON'T think for themselves.

Throughout history religion has always been opposed to independent thought and the knowledge that results, from the time Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge and got punished for it, to the house arrest of Galileo for suggesting the Earth revolves around the Sun, to the humorous efforts made today to make biblical claims look like science.

You can go to Iran and see the same contention we see here between secularism and science on the left and the religious attempt to monopolize ideas on the right. Listing off characteristics common to all forms of politics does nothing to disprove that.

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Mar 26, 2020 07:53:49   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Sigh. More of your elitist BS. Don’t see the left bending to science about the unborn and feeling pain etc. sure don’t see it in public schools. Teachers unions never want things to change. Of course the left separates everyone into groups. Most people send their kids to public schools. You guys don’t even like choice of schools. I know of none, and I’m. evangelical that try to force our religion on anyone. It’s the secular left that scoffs at religion. Politicians have always wanted power and control. Both both the left and Islam allow no dissent.
straightUp wrote:
Oh, but not the conservatives who will never, ever send their kids to public school, right?

BTW, the only thing the left "dicatates" is that education is based on the scientific method, which is a way for people to think for themselves. Religion on the other hand "dictates" by convention, so that people DON'T think for themselves.

Throughout history religion has always been opposed to independent thought and the knowledge that results, from the time Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge and got punished for it, to the house arrest of Galileo for suggesting the Earth revolves around the Sun, to the humorous efforts made today to make biblical claims look like science.

You can go to Iran and see the same contention we see here between secularism and science on the left and the religious attempt to monopolize ideas on the right. Listing off characteristics common to all forms of politics does nothing to disprove that.
Oh, but not the conservatives who will never, ever... (show quote)

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Mar 26, 2020 07:59:22   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
straightUp wrote:
Oh, but not the conservatives who will never, ever send their kids to public school, right?

BTW, the only thing the left "dicatates" is that education is based on the scientific method, which is a way for people to think for themselves. Religion on the other hand "dictates" by convention, so that people DON'T think for themselves.

Throughout history religion has always been opposed to independent thought and the knowledge that results, from the time Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge and got punished for it, to the house arrest of Galileo for suggesting the Earth revolves around the Sun, to the humorous efforts made today to make biblical claims look like science.

You can go to Iran and see the same contention we see here between secularism and science on the left and the religious attempt to monopolize ideas on the right. Listing off characteristics common to all forms of politics does nothing to disprove that.
Oh, but not the conservatives who will never, ever... (show quote)


Listing off characteristics common to all forms of religion does nothing to disprove it either....[/quote]

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Mar 26, 2020 08:22:46   #
American Vet
 
straightUp wrote:
I agree. The difference between us is that I'm willing to walk the walk but you're only willing to talk the talk. As an anti-Federalist I have often stated that we should get rid of the federal government and the response from all those "small-government" conservatives is always the same... "Oh, well we can't actually get rid of it." So if you can talk the talk but can't walk the walk, then I don't know what to tell you.


You do understand that there is a difference between "small government" and "getting rid of"?

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Mar 26, 2020 08:40:10   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
Sigh. More of your elitist BS.

Whatever you want to call it.

JFlorio wrote:

Don’t see the left bending to science about the unborn and feeling pain etc.

Be specific Flo... your broad generalizations and gut feelings aren't proving any points. What is the science about the unborn that the left isn't "bending" to?

JFlorio wrote:

sure don’t see it in public schools.

Not when Republicans keep cutting education budgets and limiting curriculums to exclude critical thinking and creativity.

JFlorio wrote:

Teachers unions never want things to change.

Yeah, they're perfectly satisfied with their anemic salaries.

JFlorio wrote:

Of course the left separates everyone into groups.

EVERYONE does! Are you not getting this? I just asked you to be more specific and I even gave you an example of a more specific argument about this. But you can't can you? You're basically making excuses for for false impressions so you CAN'T get any more specific without screwing that up.

JFlorio wrote:

Most people send their kids to public schools. You guys don’t even like choice of schools.

Of course we do... the difference is that we would like to give ALL children an even start with the basics so they can make their own choices when it's time for specific studies to qualify for careers of their choice. On the right, it's the parents making the decisions for their children when they are too young to know any better.

Both my kids went to public school to learn the basics. Then they went on to choose their own paths, picking universities that offered what they were looking for.

JFlorio wrote:

I know of none, and I’m. evangelical that try to force our religion on anyone. It’s the secular left that scoffs at religion.

So are we talking about scoffing or forcing? Make up your mind. Yes, some people on the left scoff at religion but they aren't forcing people to give it up. And evangelicals might not be forcing people to convert but they DO scoff at the non-believers.

So again... your words are utterly pointless.

JFlorio wrote:

Politicians have always wanted power and control. Both both the left and Islam allow no dissent.

Dissent can be defined as a threat to power and control. You just said all politicians want control then tried to imply that only the left and Islam allow no dissent. Look, I keep forgetting this about you. You're arguments are based on your rabid emotions, making any rational argument impossible. So I'm going to leave now, further convinced of my own conclusions.

Have a nice day Flo.

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Mar 26, 2020 08:59:46   #
tbutkovich
 
straightUp wrote:
Oh, but not the conservatives who will never, ever send their kids to public school, right?

BTW, the only thing the left "dicatates" is that education is based on the scientific method, which is a way for people to think for themselves. Religion on the other hand "dictates" by convention, so that people DON'T think for themselves.

Throughout history religion has always been opposed to independent thought and the knowledge that results, from the time Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge and got punished for it, to the house arrest of Galileo for suggesting the Earth revolves around the Sun, to the humorous efforts made today to make biblical claims look like science.

You can go to Iran and see the same contention we see here between secularism and science on the left and the religious attempt to monopolize ideas on the right. Listing off characteristics common to all forms of politics does nothing to disprove that.
Oh, but not the conservatives who will never, ever... (show quote)


You need to get some religion! You seem to think your some kind of Man God! You a perfect fit for the left wing Democrat Party!

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Mar 26, 2020 14:55:20   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Never argue with a stupid person. Others may not be able to distinguish which is which.

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Mar 26, 2020 15:02:47   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
tbutkovich wrote:
You need to get some religion! You seem to think your some kind of Man God! You a perfect fit for the left wing Democrat Party!

LOL... Some people need more guidance than others... I don't need religion or political affiliation to tell me how to be a good person and that doesn't make me a Man God, it just makes me low-maintenance. ;)

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Mar 26, 2020 15:40:30   #
American Vet
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL... Some people need more guidance than others... I don't need religion or political affiliation to tell me how to be a good person and that doesn't make me a Man God, it just makes me low-maintenance. ;)


And there is the rub: What is a "good" person?

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Mar 26, 2020 15:47:55   #
Milosia
 
For anyone unhappy with Science

There’s always Religion.

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Mar 26, 2020 15:58:10   #
Milosia
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
3/25/2020 Wednesday night, 11 pm

Bailout stimulus bill just passed the Senate 100 to nothing
$1,200 to individuals
$2,400 to couples
$500 per child
$4 trillion in loans to businesses with a special commission under the Attorney General to monitor relief packages for workers and no stock buybacks for Fortune 500s.

Start wailing and moaning, all ye socialists. Let's give enough rope to Speaker Pelosi and the House to hang themselves on this one.


Can you find the list of people excluded from any stimulus cash!

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Mar 26, 2020 18:10:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Never argue with a stupid person. Others may not be able to distinguish which is which.


Lololol ain’t that the truth!!! Although~~😊🙃😉

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Mar 26, 2020 18:13:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Milosia wrote:
For anyone unhappy with Science

There’s always Religion.



From the finger tips of some we see the stupidity of many as well...😊

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Mar 26, 2020 18:20:27   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
lindajoy wrote:
From the finger tips of some we see the stupidity of many as well...😊



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Mar 26, 2020 19:56:13   #
Barracuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
No, I'm not. Have you read any of the threads on this site? That's just a small sample. In fact, I'm convinced that a lot of the support for Trump is pure spite. I know so many Trump supporters that don't like Trump but they hate the Democrats more.

Just so you know, I don't think it's a one-sided deal. I think it's more a matter of extreme than it is a matter of which side, but I do get the sense that if the left is 80% moderate and 20% extreme, it's the other way around on the right with 80% extreme and 20% moderate.

This is just my opinion based on personal observations.
No, I'm not. Have you read any of the threads on t... (show quote)


I'd have to agree with those percentages. Like you also, I've gotten tired of the diatribe from the extreme right which seems to be spreading in their party. I used to passionately support the unity of the country, now I'm ready to draw a dividing line and have both go to our respective corners and be done with it. We would see how things would out with for the people with these two opposing beliefs on how to run a country and see who will be happeir in the end.

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