Regarding the Political Left.. (Page 2): I couldn't agree with you more. Nothing of what permi says even passes the smell test. You've addressed one of permi's complaints about income...

waltmoreno

bylm1-Bernie wrote:

I'm sorry, Frosty, but it seems you have nearly ev... (show quote)

I couldn't agree with you more. Nothing of what permi says even passes the smell test. You've addressed one of permi's complaints about income inequality admirably. What does that mean? If you have a lazy, neer-do-well, sluggard and an ambitious hustler doing the same job, do you mean they've both gotta be paid the same? I don't think so!
Permi also seems to believe that our economy is a zero sum economy. If one person is getting wealthy it's because they're stealing it from another.
Wrong again, permi. We're not zero sum. Our capitalistic society allows anyone to create unlimited wealth. Surely permie's old enough to remember what life was like before computers. I remember it well. And all those dot.com billionaires got extremely wealthy because people voluntarily handed over their hard earned money to acquire the latest, must-have computer gizmo. And in doing so created unimaginable wealth for society as a whole. All commendable. Nothing to sneer at.
Permi's just stuck on the same ol' stupid lib talking points he gets from his lib mentors. And posting pics and memes won't make up for the deficiency in the content of what he says.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

permafrost wrote:

The problem with your question Mike is that I do n... (show quote)

Let's reevaluate what you say was my assumption that Americans have stopped working. That's not what I said. I asked when did America stop working? The Progressive fix is killing us mentally, morally and spirituality and since 75% of serviceable age young people are disqualified physically as well as mentally and morally your movement should be declared a clear and present danger to our Republic. One of the major moral disqualifications is drug abuse. The Progressive solution was to elect a President who was once a serial drug abuser and to begin decriminalizing illegal non-RX drugs. Folks like yourself are thrown a few sweet pieces of candy so that you dont taste the bitter and poisonous center.

JW

PeterS wrote:

You're bragging about your intellectual powers and the only thing you can come up with is a false equivalency and a slippery slope...universal healthcare equals empty grocery store shelves and if we implement one socialized program the next thing you know we are fully socialized and grocery store shelves are bare! I believe you conservatives said the same thing with Social Security and Medicaid/medicare.

Not very smart for someone claiming the intellectual venue to only one ideology...

I am not bragging about anything. I'm merely noting what should be obvious to any observer. No socialist country has ever survived more than a few decades and the Progressives still insist they can make it work.

You can't kill incentive and progress as a people. Lefties can't seem to understand that hunger motivates people to eat. Eliminate the need to satisfy hunger and you eliminate everything but eating.

JW

Kevyn wrote:

Instead ask someone in Sweden or Denmark.

Sweden and Denmark have the same system we do, private ownership of business and free enterprise. They have more social benefit programs than we have and much higher taxes but the basic systems are the same.

Think back to what the store shelves looked like in eastern Europe before the USSR crashed and let their economies free themselves from the socialist grip.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

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Regarding the Political Left...

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

Kevyn wrote:

Instead ask someone in Sweden or Denmark.

Here Ya Go

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Sanandajinima-interactive.pdf
Scandinavian Unexceptionalism:
Culture, Markets, And The Failure Of Third-Way Socialism

165 pgs
Are You Willing To Read A Book
Or Will You Cling To Your Deceptive Sound-Bites
Because You Want To Pretend These Systems Work
For Countries Whose Entire National Populations
Are Less Than The Individual Populations Of NYC, Chicago, Or Los Angeles

America 1 Loc: South Miami

permafrost wrote:

The problem with your question Mike is that I do n... (show quote)

"The problem with your question Mike is that I do not agree with the basic assumption."
There in itself is the problem, you think everyone should agree with your BS.
Pictures are nice though.

bestpal38 Loc: Cedar City, Utah

permafrost wrote:

My My, you right wingers are convinced of your gos... (show quote)

I didn't read your whole post, but the minute you said dems are for equality, you lost me. WE are not all equal. Face the fact. Some people work hard, and become successful, and you dems want to take it all away from them, and give it to people who don't work hard. Show me the incentive to make something out of yourself, if you get everything handed to you. And Perm, I am ashamed you are from MN, as the midwest work ethic is second to none, people work hard to give their family a good life, not to hand it out to every lazy ass, or illegal that you guys want to let into our country. Yes we need to take care of some people, and yes that is a form of socialism, but we don't need to take care of everybody, pick yourself up from your own boot straps.

Airforceone

Wolf counselor wrote:

I predict, there will not be another democrat president for at least another twenty years.

Possibly much longer.

Let’s see another 20 years of republican control.

So that means SS and medicare gone

Hundreds of thousands of kids murdered in classrooms.

Poverty Increases by 28% back to the poverty levels of the 40 and 50’s.

32 million people without healthcare.

Country absolutely into bankruptcy with wealthy tax cuts.

Constitution no longer exist as we are now under an Autocratic form of government with a dictator in control.

No immigrants allowed unless you are white and wealthy.

Corporate elite will have 99% of the countries wealth. The end of collective bargaining.

Consumer protection non existent

EPA dismantled, slavery will now exist in this country again.

But I can go on and on with this racist and evangelicals agenda that call themselves republicans but these people are nothing but a bunch of filthy disgusting ignorant people that only see white and could care less about our democracy. I wish the hell the southern states won there independence and we could call that area of the country Mexico. Then I would build a wall to keep you ignorant people out.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Kevyn wrote:

Instead ask someone in Sweden or Denmark.

I have, my friend Virginia had to wait 3 weeks to get a bed so she could have much needed heart surgery, and yes she almost died.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

waltmoreno wrote:

Oh, ok, now I get it. Although socialism has never worked before wherever it was tried, and moreover has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions of people, while the rulers always live high on the hog, the type of socialism proposed by Bernie and the other Dems hasn't ever been tried before. This new and improved form will lead us to utopia.
Think of it, nirvana here on earth. What could possibly go wrong?

It will be worse than the others. They have no clue about running a country.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

permafrost wrote:

My My, you right wingers are convinced of your gos... (show quote)

I wouldn't say only right-wing governments work. However left wing has moved so far left that it's either socialism or communism, both are really the same te only difference is the guns (the size of ammo and the government). It fails every time. Germany, Italy, Spain all have policies much like Clinton who I didn't vote for and never will.It isn't left or right when you leave the US, it's policies.I knew Germany was dying years ago as is England. Open borders does it every time.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

permafrost wrote:

The problem with your question Mike is that I do n... (show quote)

You know perm, in some of that you sound like a conservative so I trhink there's hope for you. And ween't you one who was complaining about the gov't. doing something without asking you? That sucks doesn't it? I'm with you there.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

JW wrote:

I am not bragging about anything. I'm merely noting what should be obvious to any observer. No socialist country has ever survived more than a few decades and the Progressives still insist they can make it work.

You can't kill incentive and progress as a people. Lefties can't seem to understand that hunger motivates people to eat. Eliminate the need to satisfy hunger and you eliminate everything but eating.

dumbusername1015

bylm1-Bernie wrote:

You might want to take another detailed look at Sweden and Denmark. I think you would find that things are not as rosy as the left, including Sanders, like to portray. If it weren't for their capitalistic economy which supports what socialist programs they have, including their ridiculous vacation time, they wouldn't be able to survive. Say what you will about the slippery slope argument but a long look will show that it isn't to be ignored

A few figures from a google search......
Personal Income Tax Rate in Denmark averaged 60.45 percent from 1995 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 65.90 percent in 1997 and a record low of 55.40 percent in 2010.

The squad would be proud