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Feb 18, 2020 20:47:39   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
The problem with your question Mike is that I do not agree with the basic assumption..

I do not see that Americans have stopped working and are dependent on the feds..

i see that the safety net system is working and is crucial to those in dire straits..

Back during the great recession, those numbers of course went up.. little of it was due to any changes.. while the time on the programs increased due to the severe downturn, no major changes were made in the programs..

If we wish to limit taxes, and I do, let us start where the greatest progress is to be made..

Corporate welfare and the Military industrial complex..

Anything, even a small fraction of the total monies.. would dwarf the amount we could save by starving the domestic safety programs.

And the integrity of our social system is also the foundation of our nation.. we can not lose it..

I see nearly everyone working hard for the American dream as they see it.. Jobs have always been abundant in Minnesota.. in 2010 we led the nation in job creation. bonus and incentives started appearing in about 2011/12.. When I attended the U of MN, I changed jobs nearly every term to fit my class schedule..

free stuff----- I would rather pay for it going to the public than pay even more and see it given to the huge business interests which dictate our taxation..

Oh.. student loans... this is a subject needing careful study.. the extreme cost of education is a limiting factor for very many Americans and some needs doing..

But--- the cost of repaying all the loans which have been made is prohibitive and careful planning is needed before any action is done.. it is not a "yes or no" situation..

My stubborn son the lawyer. finished law school with over $100,000, to repay.. which he did only this past summer.. no, the previous fall..

And of course, if the student uses funds for everything, that has to be considered as possibly elective spending ..
The problem with your question Mike is that I do n... (show quote)


" Oh.. student loans... this is a subject needing careful study.. the extreme cost of education is a limiting factor for very many Americans and some needs doing.. "

The more government throws money to help students and gets involved in student loans, the more colleges charge. Universities have gotten quite good at harvesting Government aid money.

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Feb 18, 2020 20:59:25   #
victor doherty
 
The real point is the republican have had a war on the middle class from Reaganomics.Witch is when they went after the unions to bust then up and to under cut the social programs.So when you say Bernie socialist programs won't work they work find for 50yrs tell 1% con you.So don't fall for the corporate media lies and stop the republican f*****t takeover.And for the republicans you need to own your party crimes and the debt they ran up ,please look at 911t***hers and watch Peter Michael Ketcham video,go to u-tube the mad protestor and watch the state of obvious on 911 it's 10 minutes be sure what you know is real.

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Feb 18, 2020 21:19:20   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
son of witless wrote:
" Oh.. student loans... this is a subject needing careful study.. the extreme cost of education is a limiting factor for very many Americans and some needs doing.. "

The more government throws money to help students and gets involved in student loans, the more colleges charge. Universities have gotten quite good at harvesting Government aid money.


"Harvesting Government aid money."

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Feb 18, 2020 21:53:02   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Kevyn wrote:
Instead ask someone in Sweden or Denmark.


I would but I don't speak Islamic.

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Feb 18, 2020 22:22:26   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
padremike wrote:
"Harvesting Government aid money."


I have no idea what happened to the rest of my comment.

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Feb 18, 2020 22:40:52   #
Mikeyavelli
 
permafrost wrote:
My My, you right wingers are convinced of your gospel as presented by the supporters of wealth for the wealthy..

But a couple of thing to point out.. Dems are for e******y.. not to socialize the country, that is the lie presented by the GOP from the 30s.. everything that does not hand the money to them is declared socialism..

Venezuela... busted economy? Yes, indeed.. but because the criminals lean left?.. no, the economy went bust because the US, that is our country, declared economic war on them a couple decades ago and they lacked the knowledge to fight back effectively and we busted them but good.. have we taken over the oil yet? I do not think so but plans have been announced.. we will have to watch..

We have been on a redistribution of wealth policy from at least the 70s.. from the working/middle class to the Ultra rich.. how has that worked for you?
efforts to return to a strong middle class the prosperity that creates for all the nation is not a goal anyone should resent.. unless you are of the 1%..

Only the right wing governments work??

Let me know, which is your favorite right wing govt.. Germany, Italy, Spain... any of the South American attempts.. none of them worked, all are destroyed, so maybe something, a little of each is a goal to strive for..
My My, you right wingers are convinced of your gos... (show quote)


Trump is doing a great job, his right wing policies are working. It should be embarrassing to try to convince anyone that the economy is only working for 1% of the population. No one believes that. You are foolish to argue that.

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Feb 19, 2020 05:08:18   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Kevyn wrote:
Instead ask someone in Sweden or Denmark.



Catch up on current socialism failures with Sweden being on the list.
Sweden did hold on many years as a result of it's small population less than the state of California 10.10 million January 2020.
Sweden's tax rate of over 60% isn't enough to cover its socialism and is now in serious debt and crashing, even with the tens of billions brought in (Banks to Sweden is what oil is to the Arabs)from its government run banks.

Not on Nation in the World's history can maintain a closed system of socialism. But try as you might Kevy, you use a 10 million population country.
Imagine the freebies of Sweden if it had a population of 350 million....even at 100% tax it would collapse from within.

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Feb 19, 2020 05:11:21   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
victor doherty wrote:
The real point is the republican have had a war on the middle class from Reaganomics.Witch is when they went after the unions to bust then up and to under cut the social programs.So when you say Bernie socialist programs won't work they work find for 50yrs tell 1% con you.So don't fall for the corporate media lies and stop the republican f*****t takeover.And for the republicans you need to own your party crimes and the debt they ran up ,please look at 911t***hers and watch Peter Michael Ketcham video,go to u-tube the mad protestor and watch the state of obvious on 911 it's 10 minutes be sure what you know is real.
The real point is the republican have had a war on... (show quote)



The war on the middle class recieved a nuclear attack when Clinton instituted NAFTA... get your facts straight.

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Feb 19, 2020 12:04:46   #
victor doherty
 
nafta was started under Reagan and the republican and was signed by Clinton who was a republicrat

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Feb 19, 2020 12:21:42   #
promilitary
 
Kevyn wrote:
Instead ask someone in Sweden or Denmark.



Yeah, especially Sweden where the Muslims are taking over.

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Feb 19, 2020 13:13:27   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bestpal38 wrote:
I didn't read your whole post, but the minute you said dems are for e******y, you lost me. WE are not all equal. Face the fact. Some people work hard, and become successful, and you dems want to take it all away from them, and give it to people who don't work hard. Show me the incentive to make something out of yourself, if you get everything handed to you. And Perm, I am ashamed you are from MN, as the midwest work ethic is second to none, people work hard to give their family a good life, not to hand it out to every lazy ass, or illegal that you guys want to let into our country. Yes we need to take care of some people, and yes that is a form of socialism, but we don't need to take care of everybody, pick yourself up from your own boot straps.
I didn't read your whole post, but the minute you ... (show quote)


Try to think Pal..

E******y... referring to rights and opportunity.. no one expects or is speaking of final outcome.. which depends on much more then the starting point.. but we should all have the starting point to use as we feel necessary..

No democrat is talking of "taking" from the rich.. only e******y.. that is what you as a group do not seem to grasp..

Wealth redistribution??? we have had that at least from the 70s.. wealth removed from the middle and working class and given to the already wealthy.. never has the wealth gap been this sever since the gilded age, before the new deal and labor unions. which brought the nation to the top of the wealth mountain..

Minnesota led the nation in job creation in 2010 and has always done well economically.. now however we have so many more jobs the workers we are losing growth.. this started back about 2012 or so. hiring bonus and perks offered by many business and continues to this day..

Not sure if you are trying to imply that I have not worked or provided for me and mine..

But I owned a business of my own.. did very well, family managed a pretty good life.. now boys are a Lawyer in one case and the other distributes money at the U of MN.. not sure his job title..

the little girl works to feed to world on the excellent food she produces and distributes. a business girl..

We have long lived up near the boundary waters on 45 acres overlooking a large lake.. good for me, my wife had a bit of a struggle but has long enjoyed the view and the life.

No one wants to hand out things to a lazy ass, but most people in need are short termers and with a boost, they are on their own..



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Feb 19, 2020 13:49:30   #
Mikeyavelli
 
promilitary wrote:
Yeah, especially Sweden where the Muslims are taking over.


Swedanistan

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Feb 19, 2020 15:02:43   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
Kevyn wrote:
Instead ask someone in Sweden or Denmark.


Where all the white people live?

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Feb 19, 2020 18:33:12   #
son of witless
 
padremike wrote:
"Harvesting Government aid money."


Have you noticed the pretty buildings and nice landscaping at most colleges ? Is all of that necessary to educate students ? I say no. Colleges should invest that money they extort from students, parents, and taxpayers strictly on providing students with the best education possible.

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Feb 19, 2020 18:58:48   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Where all the white people live?


Muslims live there.

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