Of Course He Lies (Page 3): I still wonder which Vindman. After all they are identical twins excepting fingerprints and teeth. But that boat has sailed.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

nwtk2007 wrote:

The current NYT activities related to "report... (show quote)

I still wonder which Vindman. After all they are identical twins excepting fingerprints and teeth. But that boat has sailed.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

I still wonder which Vindman. After all they are identical twins excepting fingerprints and teeth. But that boat has sailed.

Identical back stabbers and traitors.

woodguru

slatten49 wrote:

Patrick Jones, M.A. Political Science & History, North Carolina State Wolfpack (1977)

I am certain the more astute Trump supporters realize that Mr. Trump has a tendency to stretch the boundaries of believability, but they perceive this to be the norm for most politicians. It is the responsibility of the press to inform the public of these transgressions, which is where I believe the main discrepancies tend to be.

Mr. Trump has defended his veracity by using the concept of fake news or lugenpresse*. By convincing his supporters that it is the press rather than his statements that are false, he has successfully rendered truth as legitimately questionable.

Regardless of the veracity of a statement, it is plausible to find a source that will report the statement or event in a manner to support whatever ideology is convenient for the party or individual involved. It is regrettable that we have accepted the manipulation of the truth as a casualty of modern political reporting, but the real casualty is the distrust and polarization of the press.

The Fourth Estate or news media has to have the confidence of the citizens they serve in order to secure the benefits of a Democracy. The destruction of the press is perhaps the first step in the process of dismantling a Democratic system. Once the truth becomes a debatable issue, all other aspects of a Democracy become suspect.

The dismantling of the press in the U.S. has been a concerted effort that began in the early 1980′s. The nullifying of the Fairness Doctrine began the process. It allowed different political philosophies to develop media centers that were built on partisan politics. It has now become a cancer that is slowly destroying the unbiased press we so desperately need. Of all the institutions that exist today, the media is the one that must refrain from becoming a pawn for any singular political ideology.

*Lying press (German: Lügenpresse, lit. 'press of lies') was/is a pejorative political term used largely by German political movements for the printed press and the mass media at large, as a propaganda tactic to discredit the free press.

Patrick Jones, M.A. Political Science & Histor... (show quote)

Trump openly said it...do not believe what the lying press says, believe only me. The words of Hitler, Putin, and every other dictator and autocrat who for some reason always has a core group of followers. The truth, lies, are not that hard to discern...facts are not that hard to figure out when documents tell the story, the whole story. Lies only work when people are willfully ignorant.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Lonewolf wrote:

I read it like I read all your posts and as usual ... (show quote)

I don't know why you say alt right I went there when I was out of here. Holocaust deniers. To a Jew that's kind of a slap in the face. You haven't seen me blow up here, but there big time. Truman had Hitler Youth taken on a survey through death camps, when they came out not a dry eye. I suggested that or should I just kick their doors down. My profile said 50 year Marine, Special Ops., ret. I left out black ops let that be a surprise.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Pariahjf wrote:

EVERY president is a politican. From a POLITICAL party.

In his first couple of years Trump managed to stay away from that swamp, but slowly he was dragged into it. He did change the Republican party a bit not enough.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Pariahjf wrote:

Show me ONE politician that hasn't...

Maybe Gerald Ford but only because he was too stupid. Otherwise you're right, they all lie. And we've come to accept it.

woodguru

PaulPisces wrote:

Please quote at least 100 factual lies from Obama.

This would go along way in dispelling the fact that our current president has made over 15,000 false or misleading statements to date.

My favorite Obama lie that republicans ranted and raved about was one that shows pure wilful ignorance by everyone who tried to make a big deal out of it...

You will get to keep your healthcare... unless you currently have a junk plan, or unless you have a doctor or live in a state that has not cooperated well with the ACA. Those with junk plans weren't making use of a doctor anyway, a junk plan has such high amounts that had to be used before any healthcare kicked in that junk plans were not being utilized because families couldn't afford to go to the doctor if they had to pay for the first few thousand dollars. States that were not involved were not getting the benefits for the people of their states.

Trump lies are those that promise ludicrously impossible goals, such as...
...You will have healthcare that is better, cheaper, and everyone has it (nothing on that yet, where is it?)
...he is protecting those with pre existing conditions (he is definitely not)
...the tax cuts will reduce the deficit (yeah right)

Navigator

slatten49 wrote:

Patrick Jones, M.A. Political Science & History, North Carolina State Wolfpack (1977)

I am certain the more astute Trump supporters realize that Mr. Trump has a tendency to stretch the boundaries of believability, but they perceive this to be the norm for most politicians. It is the responsibility of the press to inform the public of these transgressions, which is where I believe the main discrepancies tend to be.

Mr. Trump has defended his veracity by using the concept of fake news or lugenpresse*. By convincing his supporters that it is the press rather than his statements that are false, he has successfully rendered truth as legitimately questionable.

Regardless of the veracity of a statement, it is plausible to find a source that will report the statement or event in a manner to support whatever ideology is convenient for the party or individual involved. It is regrettable that we have accepted the manipulation of the truth as a casualty of modern political reporting, but the real casualty is the distrust and polarization of the press.

The Fourth Estate or news media has to have the confidence of the citizens they serve in order to secure the benefits of a Democracy. The destruction of the press is perhaps the first step in the process of dismantling a Democratic system. Once the truth becomes a debatable issue, all other aspects of a Democracy become suspect.

The dismantling of the press in the U.S. has been a concerted effort that began in the early 1980′s. The nullifying of the Fairness Doctrine began the process. It allowed different political philosophies to develop media centers that were built on partisan politics. It has now become a cancer that is slowly destroying the unbiased press we so desperately need. Of all the institutions that exist today, the media is the one that must refrain from becoming a pawn for any singular political ideology.

*Lying press (German: Lügenpresse, lit. 'press of lies') was/is a pejorative political term used largely by German political movements for the printed press and the mass media at large, as a propaganda tactic to discredit the free press.

Patrick Jones, M.A. Political Science & Histor... (show quote)

It's too late, the msm is already driving democrat politics and has been for several years. In addition it is tiring of you to parrot the msm mantra of Trump lying b/c he says there was a 23% improvement in employability when it was actually 21% (lie!) or that Asian unemployment is at an all time low and the press points out it was actually 0.2% lower 36 years ago (lie!) or a wall will be built and Mexico will pay for it. This last is not a lie but an intention as of yet unrealized. The latest BS of the msm is their mischaracterization of Alan Dershowitz who DID NOT say that a president can do whatever he wants if that president believes his re-election is in the best interests of the country. What he DID say is a president who does something in the best interests of the country can not be impeached for that action even if the primary reason the president acted was b/c he perceived that action would enhance his re-election chances. See the difference?

maryjane

slatten49 wrote:

Patrick Jones, M.A. Political Science & History, North Carolina State Wolfpack (1977)

I am certain the more astute Trump supporters realize that Mr. Trump has a tendency to stretch the boundaries of believability, but they perceive this to be the norm for most politicians. It is the responsibility of the press to inform the public of these transgressions, which is where I believe the main discrepancies tend to be.

Mr. Trump has defended his veracity by using the concept of fake news or lugenpresse*. By convincing his supporters that it is the press rather than his statements that are false, he has successfully rendered truth as legitimately questionable.

Regardless of the veracity of a statement, it is plausible to find a source that will report the statement or event in a manner to support whatever ideology is convenient for the party or individual involved. It is regrettable that we have accepted the manipulation of the truth as a casualty of modern political reporting, but the real casualty is the distrust and polarization of the press.

The Fourth Estate or news media has to have the confidence of the citizens they serve in order to secure the benefits of a Democracy. The destruction of the press is perhaps the first step in the process of dismantling a Democratic system. Once the truth becomes a debatable issue, all other aspects of a Democracy become suspect.

The dismantling of the press in the U.S. has been a concerted effort that began in the early 1980′s. The nullifying of the Fairness Doctrine began the process. It allowed different political philosophies to develop media centers that were built on partisan politics. It has now become a cancer that is slowly destroying the unbiased press we so desperately need. Of all the institutions that exist today, the media is the one that must refrain from becoming a pawn for any singular political ideology.

*Lying press (German: Lügenpresse, lit. 'press of lies') was/is a pejorative political term used largely by German political movements for the printed press and the mass media at large, as a propaganda tactic to discredit the free press.

Patrick Jones, M.A. Political Science & Histor... (show quote)

I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I agree that the president has lied more than once, BUT the Democrats lie all the time. The media lies constantly regarding the president, his staff and anyone who voted for him. The president has been villified by the Democrats, etc, about Ukraine, though the House never provided any real proof of wrongdoing. BUT, there is lots of proof, including his very own words, of former Vice President Biden's obviously illegal actions with the Ukraine government, yet the Democrats, etc, have refused to even discuss this. For me, this alone has been enough to declare their intentions and their unscruplous behavior, both of which I believe we will see escalate if Trump is re-elected whether or not the Democrats retain any power. It seems clear that our country is in a very bad place. If Trump is re-elected, we can look forward to 4 more years of much greater efforts tearing the country apart and nothing critical for the future of Americans and our country getting done. If Trump wins and the Democrats, God forbid, gain majorities in both congressional chambers, the president will be able to accomplish nothing and, likely will be impeached and removed from office, which might be the last straw holding the country together. If Trump loses the election but the Republicans do not gain a BIG majority in both chambers, we will be helpless to do anything as our country is changed forever and moved fast toward collapse and failure because: 1. Socialism will swing into total control with free everything including rewards for not working and not paying one's debts. 2. Our national debt will grow by leaps and bounds as it must to pay for everything. 3. Taxes on all working Americans will increase to the point that Americans below the top middle class with million dollar plus incomes will not be able to survive, to take care of their families. 4. Currently, we add 2-3 million new foreigners, mostly nonassimulating burdens, to our population but the Democrats will greatly increase all immigration categories, greatly speeding up the transforming of the USA. I predict that if the Democrats emerge the big winners in November, the Republicans will no longer be a party with voting for because they will, more or less, stand quietly with the Democrats and fill their own bank accounts and secure whatever power they can. But, it will be the end of the USA because EVERY SINGLE THING already happening will simply multiple several times, until Anerica, eventually, reaches the end. I am glad I am old and will not actually have to see and experience of the end.

EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast

slatten49 wrote:

Thank you for being the first to not only have fully read the article, but understood the gist of it.

I read and understood the article. I offer a rationale for this. Firstly, all media is a business. Money is made by selling the paper,magazine or airtime. To make more money, sell more printed material or attract viewers. Provide what you think people want to look at or read. If a little lie or half-truth slips in, what the heck,if it sells it is OK. I'm afraid the days of general honesty is past. There could well be another income source. A few million tax paid bucks finding their way in the coffers to sway opinion by writing lies or half truths.
Don't have the solution but will assure it won't be helped or solved by omitting Christianity from our way of life.

truthiness

jeff smith wrote:

if you are talking about the innuendoes thrown out... (show quote)

https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/
The span of his topics seems to be more than the "innuedoes." Here is a menu.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

truthiness wrote:

https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/
The span of his topics seems to be more than the "innuedoes." Here is a menu.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/11/obamas-lies-and-the-lies-of-the-media/

truthiness

proud republican wrote:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/11/obamas-lies-and-the-lies-of-the-media/

..
Using your reference, I count about 10 alleged lies by Obama. That is one day for the Professional Prevaricator, the Impeached One.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

As of 10 Dec, PP had been in office 1055 days and had told 15,413 lies or misleading statements =>
14.6 lies per day. But I think his average is going up based on the lies told about the phone calls to Ukraine to say nothing of the SOU fiasco.
For sure, Trump is far superior to Obama in the lies-misleading statements department.

Navigator

maryjane wrote:

I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I agree that the president has lied more than once, BUT the Democrats lie all the time. The media lies constantly regarding the president, his staff and anyone who voted for him. The president has been villified by the Democrats, etc, about Ukraine, though the House never provided any real proof of wrongdoing. BUT, there is lots of proof, including his very own words, of former Vice President Biden's obviously illegal actions with the Ukraine government, yet the Democrats, etc, have refused to even discuss this. For me, this alone has been enough to declare their intentions and their unscruplous behavior, both of which I believe we will see escalate if Trump is re-elected whether or not the Democrats retain any power. It seems clear that our country is in a very bad place. If Trump is re-elected, we can look forward to 4 more years of much greater efforts tearing the country apart and nothing critical for the future of Americans and our country getting done. If Trump wins and the Democrats, God forbid, gain majorities in both congressional chambers, the president will be able to accomplish nothing and, likely will be impeached and removed from office, which might be the last straw holding the country together. If Trump loses the election but the Republicans do not gain a BIG majority in both chambers, we will be helpless to do anything as our country is changed forever and moved fast toward collapse and failure because: 1. Socialism will swing into total control with free everything including rewards for not working and not paying one's debts. 2. Our national debt will grow by leaps and bounds as it must to pay for everything. 3. Taxes on all working Americans will increase to the point that Americans below the top middle class with million dollar plus incomes will not be able to survive, to take care of their families. 4. Currently, we add 2-3 million new foreigners, mostly nonassimulating burdens, to our population but the Democrats will greatly increase all immigration categories, greatly speeding up the transforming of the USA. I predict that if the Democrats emerge the big winners in November, the Republicans will no longer be a party with voting for because they will, more or less, stand quietly with the Democrats and fill their own bank accounts and secure whatever power they can. But, it will be the end of the USA because EVERY SINGLE THING already happening will simply multiple several times, until Anerica, eventually, reaches the end. I am glad I am old and will not actually have to see and experience of the end.

I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I agree... (show quote)

For one who claims no political party you have an excellent grasp of what is at stake in politics.

promilitary

slatten49 wrote:

Patrick Jones, M.A. Political Science & History, North Carolina State Wolfpack (1977)

I am certain the more astute Trump supporters realize that Mr. Trump has a tendency to stretch the boundaries of believability, but they perceive this to be the norm for most politicians. It is the responsibility of the press to inform the public of these transgressions, which is where I believe the main discrepancies tend to be.

Mr. Trump has defended his veracity by using the concept of fake news or lugenpresse*. By convincing his supporters that it is the press rather than his statements that are false, he has successfully rendered truth as legitimately questionable.

Regardless of the veracity of a statement, it is plausible to find a source that will report the statement or event in a manner to support whatever ideology is convenient for the party or individual involved. It is regrettable that we have accepted the manipulation of the truth as a casualty of modern political reporting, but the real casualty is the distrust and polarization of the press.

The Fourth Estate or news media has to have the confidence of the citizens they serve in order to secure the benefits of a Democracy. The destruction of the press is perhaps the first step in the process of dismantling a Democratic system. Once the truth becomes a debatable issue, all other aspects of a Democracy become suspect.

The dismantling of the press in the U.S. has been a concerted effort that began in the early 1980′s. The nullifying of the Fairness Doctrine began the process. It allowed different political philosophies to develop media centers that were built on partisan politics. It has now become a cancer that is slowly destroying the unbiased press we so desperately need. Of all the institutions that exist today, the media is the one that must refrain from becoming a pawn for any singular political ideology.

*Lying press (German: Lügenpresse, lit. 'press of lies') was/is a pejorative political term used largely by German political movements for the printed press and the mass media at large, as a propaganda tactic to discredit the free press.

Patrick Jones, M.A. Political Science & Histor... (show quote)

NOBODY was as adept at lying as Obama.