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Dec 2, 2019 14:59:09   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You didn't answer my question. How do voter ID laws effect specific races????


He can’t. He’s just another perpetual whiner like most liberals. Personally I believe voting requirements should be more stringent and we should go back to paper ballots.

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Dec 2, 2019 15:04:47   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
He can’t. He’s just another perpetual whiner like most liberals. Personally I believe voting requirements should be more stringent and we should go back to paper ballots.


Agreed. Perhaps folks should actually have to demonstrate a knowledge of the issues as well.

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Dec 2, 2019 15:05:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
He can’t. He’s just another perpetual whiner like most liberals. Personally I believe voting requirements should be more stringent and we should go back to paper ballots.


It would be interesting if he actually tried, but yes, I think you are right. He won't because he simply can't.

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Dec 2, 2019 16:18:31   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Kevyn wrote:
Why should anyone bother watching some link you put up when you can’t even bother to put your own thoughts into words? Think for yourself for once.

You should heed your own words instead of printing the the thoughts of your handlers.

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Dec 2, 2019 16:27:48   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Kevyn wrote:
Why should anyone bother watching some link you put up when you can’t even bother to put your own thoughts into words? Think for yourself for once.


Good advice. You should heed it.

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Dec 2, 2019 16:31:59   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
permafrost wrote:
You guys have been preaching to your own cyioar on this subject..

Let us go over a couple points one more, for the 1000 th time..

It is not the law which gets it removed by the courts.
It is however the design of the law, those which target a specific group and make it more difficult for them to vote should be overturned,,, Unconstitutional... all Americans have the right to vote excepting specific conditions per any individual..

We do have states with voter id laws, hopefully, they are constitutional and do not target specific groups..

So, it is simply to get your voter ID laws, just make sure that your red cap scuffle offs abide by our constitution....
You guys have been preaching to your own cyioar on... (show quote)


The issue with voter ID is making sure that it is Americans voting. LEGALLY. No convicts, wetbacks, multiple voters, corpses, etc, allowed. Almost all of the ostensibly "disenfranchised" voters receive government benefits which require them to possess an ID that will suffice for voter ID. Even if they don't, is it your contention that these people, in the two years between elections, cannot procure an ID which is free or quite inexpensive?

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Dec 2, 2019 16:38:36   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Perm won’t answer there is no cut and paste the fool can use.
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
The issue with voter ID is making sure that it is Americans voting. LEGALLY. No convicts, wetbacks, multiple voters, corpses, etc, allowed. Almost all of the ostensibly "disenfranchised" voters receive government benefits which require them to possess an ID that will suffice for voter ID. Even if they don't, is it your contention that these people, in the two years between elections, cannot procure an ID which is free or quite inexpensive?

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Dec 2, 2019 17:17:55   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
archie bunker wrote:
How can requiring a photo ID target a specific group? That makes no sense.



I have responded to that question with data and the findings of the courts.. a number of times..

sure as hell no need to bother any more with any truth, means not a thing to the right wing nut cases and is only a waste of OPP space..



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Dec 2, 2019 17:23:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
JFlorio wrote:
Perm won’t answer there is no cut and paste the fool can use.


Told everyone.

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Dec 2, 2019 17:28:01   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JFlorio wrote:
Perm won’t answer there is no cut and paste the fool can use.




J, for you and the other dipsh*** on this non question..

https://www.wired.com/story/voter-id-law-algorithm/

Ever since the Supreme Court struck down a key part of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, laws requiring voters to show identification when they vote have speckled the nation, popping up in states from Rhode Island to Arizona. Almost as quickly, voting rights advocates have taken states like Texas and Alabama to court, arguing that these laws intentionally discriminate against minority voters. Just last summer, a federal judge tossed out Texas’s voter ID law

Deep Impact
Once Hersh and Ansolabehere were confident they had properly matched registered voters to their ID records, they used a commercial tool called Catalist to predict each voter's race. That tool analyzes names to determine how likely a given name is to be associated with one race or another. It also accounts for the demographics of the Census block where a given voter lives. Using this tool, the researchers confirmed what voting rights advocates already know to be true—that black voters are more likely to lack adequate identification under voter ID laws. According to the study, 3.6 percent of registered white voters had no match in any state or federal ID database. By contrast, 7.5 percent of black registered voters were missing from those databases.

The algorithm shows a clear and disturbing racial disparity on voting rights. But Hersh says that it also shows that voter ID laws affect a relatively small percentage of the population. Across all registered voters in Texas, the researchers found 4.5 percent lack proper identification. For registered voters who actually showed up at the polls in 2012, it's 1.5 percent.

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http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

Voter Identification Requirements | Voter ID Laws
Wendy Underhill1/17/2019
Please Note: The following information is provided for background information only. NCSL is unable to assist in or offer advice on specific individual voter ID needs. We recommend that anyone interested in obtaining specific information on state voter ID requirements contact election officials in the jurisdiction where the person wishes to register and vote. To find contact information for your local election official click here.

Introduction
voter with drivers licenseIntroduction: A total of 35 states have laws requesting or requiring voters to show some form of identification at the polls, all of which are in force in 2019. Scroll over the map below for state-by state details.

The remaining 15 states use other methods to verify the identity of voters. Most frequently, other identifying information provided at the polling place, such as a signature, is checked against information on file. See NCSL’s Voter Verification Without ID Documents.

Please note that the information contained on this page contains information on the current, in-effect laws. A chronology of voter ID legislation since 2000 can also be found on NCSL's History of Voter ID page.

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Dec 2, 2019 17:36:55   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
More of your typical drivel. All conjecture with a possible algorithm explaining why voter ID laws are restrictive. Without sounding like the wuss you are. What is so tough about having a voter I. D.? Why is this to much trouble to get? Keep cutting and pasting. Makes you look dumb.
permafrost wrote:
J, for you and the other dipsh*** on this non question..

https://www.wired.com/story/voter-id-law-algorithm/

Ever since the Supreme Court struck down a key part of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, laws requiring voters to show identification when they vote have speckled the nation, popping up in states from Rhode Island to Arizona. Almost as quickly, voting rights advocates have taken states like Texas and Alabama to court, arguing that these laws intentionally discriminate against minority voters. Just last summer, a federal judge tossed out Texas’s voter ID law

Deep Impact
Once Hersh and Ansolabehere were confident they had properly matched registered voters to their ID records, they used a commercial tool called Catalist to predict each voter's race. That tool analyzes names to determine how likely a given name is to be associated with one race or another. It also accounts for the demographics of the Census block where a given voter lives. Using this tool, the researchers confirmed what voting rights advocates already know to be true—that black voters are more likely to lack adequate identification under voter ID laws. According to the study, 3.6 percent of registered white voters had no match in any state or federal ID database. By contrast, 7.5 percent of black registered voters were missing from those databases.

The algorithm shows a clear and disturbing racial disparity on voting rights. But Hersh says that it also shows that voter ID laws affect a relatively small percentage of the population. Across all registered voters in Texas, the researchers found 4.5 percent lack proper identification. For registered voters who actually showed up at the polls in 2012, it's 1.5 percent.

*********

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

Voter Identification Requirements | Voter ID Laws
Wendy Underhill1/17/2019
Please Note: The following information is provided for background information only. NCSL is unable to assist in or offer advice on specific individual voter ID needs. We recommend that anyone interested in obtaining specific information on state voter ID requirements contact election officials in the jurisdiction where the person wishes to register and vote. To find contact information for your local election official click here.

Introduction
voter with drivers licenseIntroduction: A total of 35 states have laws requesting or requiring voters to show some form of identification at the polls, all of which are in force in 2019. Scroll over the map below for state-by state details.

The remaining 15 states use other methods to verify the identity of voters. Most frequently, other identifying information provided at the polling place, such as a signature, is checked against information on file. See NCSL’s Voter Verification Without ID Documents.

Please note that the information contained on this page contains information on the current, in-effect laws. A chronology of voter ID legislation since 2000 can also be found on NCSL's History of Voter ID page.
J, for you and the other dipsh*** on this non ques... (show quote)

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Dec 2, 2019 18:02:01   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
More of your typical drivel. All conjecture with a possible algorithm explaining why voter ID laws are restrictive. Without sounding like the wuss you are. What is so tough about having a voter I. D.? Why is this to much trouble to get? Keep cutting and pasting. Makes you look dumb.


I just don't get it. I had to produce ID 4 times on Saturday. Once at the Credit Union, once at the Urgent Care place, and twice at the pharmacy. Wouldn't have mattered what color I am, my sexual perversions, or anything else. I had to identify myself in order to conduct my business just like everbody else.
Permi is beating a dead horse who was born crippled, and died as a colt.
Poor sucker is pudding by now.


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Dec 2, 2019 18:22:18   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JFlorio wrote:
More of your typical drivel. All conjecture with a possible algorithm explaining why voter ID laws are restrictive. Without sounding like the wuss you are. What is so tough about having a voter I. D.? Why is this to much trouble to get? Keep cutting and pasting. Makes you look dumb.


Are so dense you can not understand? It has been explained over and over..

the voting rights are real and until the repeal gave states the chance to change them and stop voters they did not want to reach the polls, the law was effective..

From the point of repeal, some states strive to pass laws which in fact keep some voter from having that right..

it is very obvious and well documented and most or at least some of the most repressive have been overturned. currently 35 states have id laws, some challenged some may be well written an legal.



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Dec 2, 2019 18:24:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
I have responded to that question with data and the findings of the courts.. a number of times..

sure as hell no need to bother any more with any truth, means not a thing to the right wing nut cases and is only a waste of OPP space..


So I guess you have posted data showing that minorities vote at a lower percentage rate of their population than other races but I don't think you have posted anything that shows how voter ID suppresses minority voters but not whites. And if you actually think voter ID discourages minorities from voting, what is the reason why???

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Dec 2, 2019 18:26:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Are so dense you can not understand? It has been explained over and over..

the voting rights are real and until the repeal gave states the chance to change them and stop voters they did not want to reach the polls, the law was effective..

From the point of repeal, some states strive to pass laws which in fact keep some voter from having that right..

it is very obvious and well documented and most or at least some of the most repressive have been overturned. currently 35 states have id laws, some challenged some may be well written an legal.
Are so dense you can not understand? It has been ... (show quote)


So, allowing blacks and Hispanics to vote without a photo ID would result in greater numbers of blacks and Hispanics voting?? Why??

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