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Nov 30, 2019 13:10:49   #
okie don
 
working class stiff wrote:
Say what? about accepting election results? The Dems don't? Here ya go:

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/will-trump-accept-2016-election-results-230932

And btw, the last 3 yrs cannot be overturned. Nor can the election 2016 be overturned. The impeachment proceedings are about the administration's behavior and policies. You are only fooling yourself with the 'overturn an election' position. The 2020 election will be the referendum on overturning the 2016 results...all perfectly legal and constitutional. Not a civil war at all...except in your mind.

Did the right really think the transfer of power in 2016 was permanent? If so, they are poor representatives for lecturing the left on the constitution. If Trump loses in 2020 it will be because he doesn't have the support of the American people, not some gossamer 'civil war' web of conspiracies.
Say what? about accepting election results? The D... (show quote)


Thanks tj.
Good read and perhaps what's happening to our nation!?

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Nov 30, 2019 13:27:19   #
merlin1246
 
[quote=Louie27
As for his tax records, don't you think if there had been something wrong with them the IRs would have started an investigation of him long before now?

>>>> Of course. Two things we know; ONE, Obama hated Trump for bird-dogging him to release his birth certificate.......and TWO, Obama routinely weaponized the IRS against his political opponents. Does anyone seriously believe that given those two facts, that somehow, Trump was given a 'pass' for his tax returns?
I'm sure he took everything deduction the law allows - just like the rest of us.

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Nov 30, 2019 13:29:14   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
working class stiff wrote:
Nope....nothing but propaganda in your post. Put up a reputable link that shows the left wing resorts to violence more often than not. Or that the Dems control the media. As for corruption, you are spitting into the wind, padre. But that's okay...I no longer expect anything but blind support of this administration from Trump cultists. Proof is such an old fashioned concept.

After flesh rots enough, there is a sort of pungent sweet smell that fills the air. That's the sweetness your smelling...the rotting corpse of what used to be conservatism buried under the Republican party of Trump.
Nope....nothing but propaganda in your post. Put ... (show quote)


I'm betting you think it cost money to pay attention! Nope, It's free. Try it sometime. First you'll need to pull your head out of fake news. Have you ever heard them say a good word about Trump? Truthfully, I don't give a hoot if you believe anything I post. You choose to be led by the Progressive philosophy and agenda and once that happens all you are able to do is to close your mind and open your mouth. (Obviously no one ever told you the story about the big mouth frog?)

Just like your preferred fake news, who on any given day constantly and collectively uses a DNC buzz word including their politicians, you birds do the exact same thing. How original! You see, we understand your tactics that if a negative word is repeated enough times about a person it makes it more believable to lazy minds. Several of you buzzards call Trump supporters "Trump cultists" believing, I suppose, in a hope to discredit us as your evil deeds and lies are an attempt to discredit President of the United States, Commander In Chief of our armed forces and our Chief Executive Officer, Donald Trump. Trump and his supporters really are a type of cult when viewed through the progressives jaundiced eye. We share a common objective with the President, a cult if you must, but it is a cult dedicated to protect and secure America from subversive forces and all those who lust to continue to fundamentally change us against our will.

I need to correct you on another item - a sweet smelling rotten corpse. One of the detriments of following the modern Democrat thru the transition of becoming a liberal and now to Progressive is that you always drag a piece of the rotting corpse thru each transition. Like a rotten apple 🍎 in a barrel will spoil the rest, so too the rotten philosophy and agenda will spoil America. If you detect a disgusting effluvium then understand the rotten progressive corpse needs to be removed.

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Nov 30, 2019 13:47:36   #
okie don
 
padremike wrote:
Nonsense! The seditionists began clambering for impeachment immediately after his win and never ceased.


Yep
Can't accept what the people around America wanted.
Not JUST CA, NY and IL.

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Nov 30, 2019 13:48:05   #
okie don
 
Democratically controlled States.

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Nov 30, 2019 13:56:08   #
okie don
 
padremike wrote:
You're so twisted I suspect it we put a propeller on you and cut you loose your be able to fly across country non stop.

Face it Stiff, it's you progressives that resort to violence more often than not. How many Progressive legislatures have been shot, beaten or harassed in their homes or dining out in the past 11 years? ( 8 years of Obama plus 3 years Trump) Your political party, along with their control of the news outlets, keep their mob constantly stirred up like an old fashioned tent revival service. They all use the same negative buzz word received straight from the DNC every day. it's downright comical. They have to do this 24/7 to keep the shallow interests and hysterical responses of their base from exposure to the Truth. Because......The Truth would set them free! (That phrase has a familiar ring to it huh?

You might consider that it is those who believe their so called power might be lost permanently; those who resort to such tactics that would have once been unthinkable to destroy a president, who, in the full meaning of the word, are the seditionist.

Today's progressive is born of the direct influence from the corrupt and divisive influence of Obama and his Administration. Today's progressive are his love children. For cause, for good cause his agenda was rejected as best conservatives could. The common sense folks kicked his control of the Congress to The curb in 2012/14. The repeal of Obama's strangling restrictions by President Trump is turning policy against socialism and fueling our economy. The current candidates for a progressive President are socialists. Holy moly they do excite their excitable and emotional followers with the promises of free stuff. It's time for you folks to wise up!

What you're now smelling is the sweetness of Truth.
You're so twisted I suspect it we put a propeller ... (show quote)


Thanks padre. Great thinking.
Down to reality...

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Nov 30, 2019 14:00:58   #
okie don
 
Lonewolf wrote:


Well what the hell do you want a WWIII with Russia to kill us all off?

Sober 'th hell up wolf...

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Nov 30, 2019 16:01:06   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
vernon wrote:
We need to investigate this Congress.I read the other day that there are many more of those thieves stealing including Kerry, Pelosi, and Romney. Now I realize this is not just Ukraine.This goes to almost every nation receiving foreign aid. These DemoRATS have been stealing billions
from us for years. Isn't it amazing how many people go into Congress without much personal wealth and somehow they and some of their relatives become quite wealthy by the time they leave public service.


Yes they are and add this. That UN compound in Utah was the blessing of Soros, Romney and golf bag who will never admit it. The UN is more than an existential threat, it's here, now in Utah and AZ but that's the red chinese.

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Nov 30, 2019 19:42:02   #
PJT
 
And its nobody's business..Trump's tax returns.

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Nov 30, 2019 21:43:32   #
Mike Easterday
 
President Trump needs to do what Obummer did .

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Dec 1, 2019 08:57:05   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
tj14 wrote:
On Civil War - very interesting

Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October 1928- died 8 April 2018, was the Department Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein.
(Editor's note)This was the last of his works: Civil War: How do civil wars happen?

Dr. Jack Devere Minzey

Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here.

Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that.

But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election.

There's a pattern here.

What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean?
It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win.
It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war.

There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice.

But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.
This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election.
When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.
Your very own dictatorship.

The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own.
Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate.
The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do?
They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats.
Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.
Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything.
He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. He can use the IRS as his own police force and imprison citizens who speak against him.
He can provide guns and money (Fast and Furious) (Iran nuclear deal) to other countries to support his own agenda, and watch while one of America's Ambassador's is dragged through the streets and murdered doing nothing to aid our citizens. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.

But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented.
A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy.
A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run.

Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.

When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law.
But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws.
Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that. Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in it, if you're not a member, and if you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals if you aren't in the club.

And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.
Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them, and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down. That's not a free country.

It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.
Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

Well now Pilgrims and Patriots, having read the above I suggest two things;forward this very timely, very important analysis to those whom you believe think like you do and make sure you vote on every Election day!
On Civil War - very interesting br br Dr. Jack ... (show quote)


THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL article from a College Professor....Well done, & to the point...."Integrity", is always a refreshing thing!

Now.....go to this site: "fellowship of the minds"....& get first hand info, as to exactly "WHO VISITED THE SEX ISLAND OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN!....You will be absolutely astounded as to these names.....included here, are all "3" Clinton's......& many more "unbelievable" *users of human flesh....Totally evil, degrading, & worthy of a Grand Jury Investigation....."post haste"!........

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Dec 1, 2019 09:03:25   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
okie don wrote:
Yep
Can't accept what the people around America wanted.
Not JUST CA, NY and IL.


You "Betcha".....eh? Just look at the "people" from: Californication.....& the "other" Low IQ, electorate, that keep sending Political Idiots, like Pelosi, Waters, Schumer, Bloomenthal, Booker, Nadler, Durbin, B.Sanders, K.Harris, D. Feinstein, Sheila Jackson lee, Stabmenow, { Mich}.....Consider the "slut patrol"....Omar, Tlaib, & the rest}.......So many "sorry Arse", Libretards.....That would turn America, into a rats nest of Socialism, & power, & money grab for themselves!

So sad, that these Libretards, can't get their heads out of the septic tank....{ that's where they vote from}....& realize that they are very poorly educated in the area of Politics, & American History!...

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Dec 1, 2019 09:47:03   #
okie don
 
Nice to have you back Hatt.
Been a long time bro.

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