U S Constitution primer for the uneducated: Separation of Church and state is provided for in the First Amendment to the U S Constitution. It is the first article of the Bill of...

Northern Gramdpa

Separation of Church and state is provided for in the First Amendment to the U S Constitution. It is the first article of the Bill of Rights. It is shameful that a US citizen would be ignorant of this. Please check your facts before polluting the Internet, guys!

Tyster

Northern Gramdpa wrote:

Separation of Church and state is provided for in the First Amendment to the U S Constitution. It is the first article of the Bill of Rights. It is shameful that a US citizen would be ignorant of this. Please check your facts before polluting the Internet, guys!

True, but I find that the wording is being perverted. The amendment grants the right of freedom OF religion. Too many have use the amendment to justify freedom FROM religion.

imbobbyc Loc: Montana

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Please show us where the separation clause is in this amendment.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

imbobbyc wrote:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Please show us where the separation clause is in this amendment.

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Don Overton Loc: Southwest USA

Maybe a little more reading would help some of you learn about the Constitution.

http://infidels.org/library/modern/church-state/decisions.html

Old_Gringo wrote:

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Nickolai

imbobbyc wrote:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Please show us where the separation clause is in this amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion. Can you read ? That means the government shall remain neutrel in religious matters and the people free to worship as they choose It also means those with no religious belief shall be free from religion. Religion should remain a private matter between a man( or woman) and their God.

It can't be more clear than that

MrEd Loc: Georgia

Northern Gramdpa wrote:

Separation of Church and state is provided for in the First Amendment to the U S Constitution. It is the first article of the Bill of Rights. It is shameful that a US citizen would be ignorant of this. Please check your facts before polluting the Internet, guys!

Sorry Grampa, but you got it wrong again. There is nothing in the Constitution that says anything about separation of church and state regardless of what you want to read into it. It's not there and if you learn to read, you would know that. READ IT AND TELL ME WHERE IT IS AT! It's not there. I would suggest that you really learn what it means, because you have no idea what separation of church and state means. You also don't have any idea what an established religion is, but you can go here and learn.
http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/separation-of-church-and-state/
After you read this, you can come back here and we will discuss this if you like.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

Don Overton wrote:

Maybe a little more reading would help some of you learn about the Constitution.

http://infidels.org/library/modern/church-state/decisions.html

That doesn't show anyone about the Constitution, but how the Supreme Court has perverted it. I would suggest you read that link I gave too. Maybe you will learn something.

Northern Gramdpa

I don't find the wording quite as confusing as you do. I can't help your misunderstanding, but I suspect your obtuseness is because of your agenda. Try being a bit more objective and read it again! People HAVE been interpreting it properly for over two centuries!

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Northern Gramdpa wrote:

I don't find the wording quite as confusing as you do. I can't help your misunderstanding, but I suspect your obtuseness is because of your agenda. Try being a bit more objective and read it again! People HAVE been interpreting it properly for over two centuries!

I think you misunderstand the wording of the Constitution, not how the various courts have endeavored to interpret it to serve their own interests.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

Old_Gringo wrote:

I think you misunderstand the wording of the Constitution, not how the various courts have endeavored to interpret it to serve their own interests.

I have read the First Amendment many times in my life, and I'll be damned if I can understand how anyone can get the simple words "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" to say that there is some type of "Separation of Church and State" demanded by it.

That part of the First Amendment simply says that CONGRESS can make NO LAW that establishes a religion, ... and that CONGRESS can't make any law preventing anyone from free exercise of religion.

Only a bastard liberal lawyer could misrepresent those words to say that if five people working in city hall decide to put a manger scene on the front lawn, they are violating someone's First Amendment rights.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

Northern Gramdpa wrote:

I don't find the wording quite as confusing as you do. I can't help your misunderstanding, but I suspect your obtuseness is because of your agenda. Try being a bit more objective and read it again! People HAVE been interpreting it properly for over two centuries!

Sorry, but that is just not true. The first amendment is to keep the federal government from establishing a church, like England did with the church of England. That still left the states free to establish a church if they felt like it and they did for several years after the Constitution was approved.

The men that wrote the Constitution were very well educated and knew exactly what they wanted to say and they did. It was not until 1962 that some atheist decided she didn't like churches at all and wanted them out of her hair. Just like atheist today, they don't want to be reminded that God exists and they do everything they can so they are not reminded of that fact.

Nickolai

MrEd wrote:

Sorry, but that is just not true. The first amendm... (show quote)

The founders" were" educated men most of the leading ones considered themselves to be men of the enlightenment and were well aware of the civil strife caused by mixing religion and govenment. Such as the 50 years of religious wars of the 17th century. They were wise enough to know if the state allowed
to put up your religious symbols on public property then every the religion would have the same rights. the logical conclusion would our national pareks flooded with giant bill boards

MrEd Loc: Georgia

Nickolai wrote:

The founders" were" educated men most of... (show quote)

Well then, would you please explain to me why they held church services in the Congress chambers on Sunday and had church services on every religious holiday? Or how about the 10 commandments carved in various places in the capital. By the way, that includes the doors of the Supreme court. Can't get more public then most of those places, but then you progressives don't really care about that, since you never go there.

Northern Gramdpa

The Constitution requires no interpretation; It only requires understanding. One of the great things about our democracy is its allowance of "ignert crackers"!