Is violence in the pursuit of freedom acceptable? We celebrate our revolution as our forefathers declared independence and fought the British to gain it. The outnumbered Americans...

Kevyn

We celebrate our revolution as our forefathers declared independence and fought the British to gain it. The outnumbered Americans resorted to gorilla warfare, sniping from hiding places and sabotage to obtain their goals, this was at the time a grosse violation of the rules of war. Now in places from Moscow to Hong Kong citizens are demanding their freedom from oppressive dictators and true suffrage. The police and military in these cities are using violence in an effort to prevent the mostly peaceful demonstrations and show no willingness to meet the peoples very reasoned demands for basic freedom. My question is this, at what point is it right for the oppressed people to also resort to violence and asymmetric warfare to obtain their rights? The Chinese and Russian propaganda machines are already labeling these legitimate protests terrorism. Shouldn't the free world support these peoples quest for freedom in every way we can?

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Kevyn wrote:

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Violence doesn't work...Never did...Take Russian Revolution in 1917 how many millions of people died and for what???Communism???...70 yrs later it all fell apart anyways...Violence only work with Communism ,fascism(Antifa).....You can protest w/out violence and say a lot with your voice!!!

factnotfiction

Really? Sell that lie to the founders of this country, violent revolution worked, and also in Viet Nam, and some times it doesn't like the south found out in Civil War, and the countless revolutions around the world, like in Mexico, countries in Africa and in your mother russia.

Better read a few more history books before such unfounded statements

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

factnotfiction wrote:

Really? Sell that lie to the founders of this country, violent revolution worked, and also in Viet Nam, and some times it doesn't like the south found out in Civil War, and the countless revolutions around the world, like in Mexico, countries in Africa and in your mother russia.

Better read a few more history books before such unfounded statements

Riiiight!!!..And your answer to everything is violence...That's what fascists used to do!!!...So who is more like Nazis you or US???

factnotfiction

My answer is HISTORY and FACT, instead of your rambling hyperbole about things you have no clue about

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

factnotfiction wrote:

My answer is HISTORY and FACT, instead of your rambling hyperbole about things you have no clue about

You my dear know no history or facts...

Kevyn

proud republican wrote:

Violence doesn't work...Never did...Take Russian Revolution in 1917 how many millions of people died and for what???Communism???...70 yrs later it all fell apart anyways...Violence only work with Communism ,fascism(Antifa).....You can protest w/out violence and say a lot with your voice!!!

Our nation was founded through a violent revolution, it sure as hell worked here.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Kevyn wrote:

Our nation was founded through a violent revolution, it sure as hell worked here.

We developed a republican founded on the assumption of human freedom and dignity. The ink was hardly even dry on The Constitution when Alexander Hamilton and John Adams began eroding it.

The erosion took quantum leaps upward with the presidencies of Abraham Lincoln, T. Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson and Barack H. Omaha.

People like you applaud that.

ImLogicallyRight

Kevyn wrote:

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One alternative is how we supported the protests in Tehran. Oh, wait, that was a different president.

Rose42

Kevyn wrote:

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Interesting question. How do you propose the free world help them? And wouldn't that make our relationships with those countries more tense? How can they be helped without provoking war?

woodguru

Kevyn wrote:

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It's more common to see the side that supports oppression resorting to violence against those looking for relief from the oppression. Those fighting oppression looking for freedom usually have a profile that is different than the side that supports a dictator who want to do the suppressing. China and Russia have a problem with the rule of law as pertains to democracy, and so does the US.

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

woodguru wrote:

It's more common to see the side that supports oppression resorting to violence against those looking for relief from the oppression. Those fighting oppression looking for freedom usually have a profile that is different than the side that supports a dictator who want to do the suppressing. China and Russia have a problem with the rule of law as pertains to democracy, and so does the US.

That’s depressing! You should just drop out.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

proud republican wrote:

Violence doesn't work...Never did...Take Russian Revolution in 1917 how many millions of people died and for what???Communism???...70 yrs later it all fell apart anyways...Violence only work with Communism ,fascism(Antifa).....You can protest w/out violence and say a lot with your voice!!!

Sometimes, PR, violence is our only choice. Neither Hitler nor Tojo gave us any options. They unleashed a level of violence on the world unprecedented in human history. Some fools did try to talk to them, negotiate with them, appease them, but as Churchill put it, "the malice of the wicked was reinforced by the weakness of the virtuous. In the beginning, when it counted most, leadership failed. It was the failure of the democratic states to get together before the monster was fully grown."

Once again, PR, a wicked monster grows right here in the good old USA. It has already shown it's fangs, it has already resorted to violence, and you know and I know and millions of Americans know who and what that monster is. Our voices in defense of our nation and our president fall on deaf ears, we cannot talk to them, reason with them, negotiate with them, or appease them. Sooner or later we will reach the breaking point and there will be a reckoning.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Kevyn wrote:

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The Chinese are your guys. They are ultimate progressives.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Kevyn wrote:

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Americans were Rebel's and terrorists in 1776. Had we lost the "Revolution", Americans would still be referred to as terrorists who staged a failed rebellion. The victor gets to write history.