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Aug 26, 2019 21:32:16   #
Tsion1953
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Only a radical few in America have a problem with the rule of law. The rest live by it and get by quite well. Unless some moonbats try to interfere. I don't think that they realize it, they've crossed every red line. The next logical step will be violence and they REALLY aren't prepared. If I, Benzle, Rob or a Proud Boy can facedown their cell by ourselves, they shouldn't count on them unless...


I'm with you here. Nailed it.

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Aug 26, 2019 22:42:29   #
Hug
 
I am convinced that we will have to fight socialism in the not too distant future, but how we fight is the question.

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Aug 26, 2019 23:52:41   #
jeff smith
 
Kevyn wrote:
We celebrate our revolution as our forefathers declared independence and fought the British to gain it. The outnumbered Americans resorted to gorilla warfare, sniping from hiding places and sabotage to obtain their goals, this was at the time a grosse violation of the rules of war. Now in places from Moscow to Hong Kong citizens are demanding their freedom from oppressive dictators and true suffrage. The police and military in these cities are using violence in an effort to prevent the mostly peaceful demonstrations and show no willingness to meet the peoples very reasoned demands for basic freedom. My question is this, at what point is it right for the oppressed people to also resort to violence and asymmetric warfare to obtain their rights? The Chinese and Russian propaganda machines are already labeling these legitimate protests terrorism. Shouldn't the free world support these peoples quest for freedom in every way we can?
We celebrate our revolution as our forefathers dec... (show quote)


at the time a gross violation of the rules of war? as for your ending question . shouldn't we help ? NO . I remember so many of you bleeding hearts condemning Israel , military personnel for shooting palestinians . because they were only throwing stones . would you stand in the street and let me throw stones at you ? now you want to jump in and help out the demonstrators in Hong Kong . I can hear it already . see , Trump , is nothing more than a war monger . tit for tat bait and switch . the demonstrators live in a country that is held and run by the c*******t party . although some of your own democratic party is pushing for socialism , right here in America . are you v****g for one of them ? then your not an American . your a want to be c*******t . taking the baby step into socialism . plus the region around Hong Kong , was in English control with an agreement to return the entire area back to China on a specific date . ////////////// back to your first part . if these rules did exist at that time , it was made up by a kings , barons , dictators and such, which had NO concern for the life of their warriors that they thought it was marvelous to see two opposing armies kneeling and standing , at a distance and shoot each other . gorilla tactics have been around for the longest of time . your a whinner and dis agree with every one that doesn't see the way you see things . no room to expand just a fixed point and go for it . to hades with everyone else .

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Aug 26, 2019 23:57:39   #
debeda
 
jeff smith wrote:
at the time a gross violation of the rules of war? as for your ending question . shouldn't we help ? NO . I remember so many of you bleeding hearts condemning Israel , military personnel for shooting palestinians . because they were only throwing stones . would you stand in the street and let me throw stones at you ? now you want to jump in and help out the demonstrators in Hong Kong . I can hear it already . see , Trump , is nothing more than a war monger . tit for tat bait and switch . the demonstrators live in a country that is held and run by the c*******t party . although some of your own democratic party is pushing for socialism , right here in America . are you v****g for one of them ? then your not an American . your a want to be c*******t . taking the baby step into socialism . plus the region around Hong Kong , was in English control with an agreement to return the entire area back to China on a specific date . ////////////// back to your first part . if these rules did exist at that time , it was made up by a kings , barons , dictators and such, which had NO concern for the life of their warriors that they thought it was marvelous to see two opposing armies kneeling and standing , at a distance and shoot each other . gorilla tactics have been around for the longest of time . your a whinner and dis agree with every one that doesn't see the way you see things . no room to expand just a fixed point and go for it . to hades with everyone else .
at the time a gross violation of the rules of war?... (show quote)



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Aug 27, 2019 00:12:48   #
Tsion1953
 
jeff smith wrote:
at the time a gross violation of the rules of war? as for your ending question . shouldn't we help ? NO . I remember so many of you bleeding hearts condemning Israel , military personnel for shooting palestinians . because they were only throwing stones . would you stand in the street and let me throw stones at you ? now you want to jump in and help out the demonstrators in Hong Kong . I can hear it already . see , Trump , is nothing more than a war monger . tit for tat bait and switch . the demonstrators live in a country that is held and run by the c*******t party . although some of your own democratic party is pushing for socialism , right here in America . are you v****g for one of them ? then your not an American . your a want to be c*******t . taking the baby step into socialism . plus the region around Hong Kong , was in English control with an agreement to return the entire area back to China on a specific date . ////////////// back to your first part . if these rules did exist at that time , it was made up by a kings , barons , dictators and such, which had NO concern for the life of their warriors that they thought it was marvelous to see two opposing armies kneeling and standing , at a distance and shoot each other . gorilla tactics have been around for the longest of time . your a whinner and dis agree with every one that doesn't see the way you see things . no room to expand just a fixed point and go for it . to hades with everyone else .
at the time a gross violation of the rules of war?... (show quote)


Why do you even bother with this kvyn person? Just curious

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Aug 27, 2019 01:08:20   #
JW
 
Kevyn wrote:
We celebrate our revolution as our forefathers declared independence and fought the British to gain it. The outnumbered Americans resorted to gorilla warfare, sniping from hiding places and sabotage to obtain their goals, this was at the time a grosse violation of the rules of war. Now in places from Moscow to Hong Kong citizens are demanding their freedom from oppressive dictators and true suffrage. The police and military in these cities are using violence in an effort to prevent the mostly peaceful demonstrations and show no willingness to meet the peoples very reasoned demands for basic freedom. My question is this, at what point is it right for the oppressed people to also resort to violence and asymmetric warfare to obtain their rights? The Chinese and Russian propaganda machines are already labeling these legitimate protests terrorism. Shouldn't the free world support these peoples quest for freedom in every way we can?
We celebrate our revolution as our forefathers dec... (show quote)


In the US they would be legitimate, (meaning lawful), demonstrations. In China they are not legitimate demonstrations. They represent an i**********n. Different cultures see the same things differently.

Violence is a tool to be used as little as possible because it can destroy both the opponent and the protagonist.

It is to be used as the last resort to throw off oppression when the only thing left to lose is your own life. It is not to be used to further mundane goals and petty political ambitions.

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Aug 27, 2019 01:12:57   #
JW
 
Hug wrote:
I am convinced that we will have to fight socialism in the not too distant future, but how we fight is the question.


We are fighting it now. The question is at what point does the fight end.

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Aug 27, 2019 01:19:36   #
debeda
 
JW wrote:
In the US they would be legitimate, (meaning lawful), demonstrations. In China they are not legitimate demonstrations. They represent an i**********n. Different cultures see the same things differently.

Violence is a tool to be used as little as possible because it can destroy both the opponent and the protagonist.

It is to be used as the last resort to throw off oppression when the only thing left to lose is your own life. It is not to be used to further mundane goals and petty political ambitions.
In the US they would be legitimate, (meaning lawfu... (show quote)


We are very lucky to be Americans

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Aug 27, 2019 01:33:02   #
JW
 
debeda wrote:
We are very lucky to be Americans


Yes! We are, indeed.

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Aug 27, 2019 10:47:37   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
JW wrote:
We are fighting it now. The question is at what point does the fight end.


Never! Each generation has to do what is necessary to protect its freedom and way of life. Freedom is a new idea in history and so is the sovereign citizen. Look how many western civilizations are trying to return to state control of everything. Rulers and elites don't like having to answer to the people. They don't like private property rights. They are always looking for ways to return to the old status quo.

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Aug 27, 2019 11:17:36   #
debeda
 
Peewee wrote:
Never! Each generation has to do what is necessary to protect its freedom and way of life. Freedom is a new idea in history and so is the sovereign citizen. Look how many western civilizations are trying to return to state control of everything. Rulers and elites don't like having to answer to the people. They don't like private property rights. They are always looking for ways to return to the old status quo.



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