I read on the gun magazine web site that the ammunition industry does not use new ore, it uses recycled lead so the smelter will not have any effect on supplies.

It will have effects on the medical and battery industries and a few others as the shortage bites but many of those cannot use recycled lead or it is too expensive so we are bound to feel the pinch on prices for some commodities.

Lead is not as dangerous a people are told, it is another scam to control us and take our money. Remember that lead is heavy. It does not drift far from the smoke stacks or from the tailpipe of your car when we had leaded fuel. It is found naturally in water in some areas at much higher rates than the EPA is using to control us. It concentrates close to the source of production and even if stirred up it quickly settles again.

Without lead we have to refine our gas to a higher octane rating because tetraethyl lead helped the engines to run without knocking. Now we need computers and catalytic converters to keep the engines clean. When I was a kid we used to wash our hands with gas after working with cars and machines but if you do that now the crap that has been placed in the fuel because of the lack of lead will kill you. Not the lead, not the gas, it is the additives.

Ya and our recycled lead will be rinning out some day ! that smelter is also part of the biggest mine in the USA it in the show me state. The EPA over stepped its power under Obumer Its Regulation Nation now !!!!!!!! ya the gas we had as kids was very flammable and the lead dindt heart a thing, heck now you have a had time litting gas on fire, it is worthlelss!! but as the federal reserve prints more money the more that worthless gas will cost along with everything else sky high prices, inflation, devaluation of the dollar, and we get stuck with the bill off paying the debt, while the federal reserve get the benefits of pumping billions into the stock market !!!!!

God has been taken out of everything, the Federal Reserve and George Soros have their puppet in office that's not able to be president !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America


A "Natural born citizen" - the most crucial concept of the moment in America - is confusing (and deliberately confused). This concept is used in the Constitution of the US (Article II, Section 1, #4) as a precondition for presidency - and only for presidency, being clearly distinguished from ordinary citizenship. It has not been defined in the Constitution nor in any later statutes, because it had been self evident in the time when the Constitution was written, codified in the then contemporary encyclopedia "The Law of Nations" (1758) by Emerich de Vattel. (As a legal source "Law of Nations" is mentioned in Article I, Section 8, #10 of the Constitution in respect to the authority of the US Congress to enforce the law of nations, in particular - against piracies and felonies on high seas).

According to Chapter 19, §212 of "Law of Nations", the concept "Natural born citizen" is a twofold criterion meaning that:





Both parents must be the citizens of, and the birth must take place in the concerned country, assuming that the citizenship inherited by this child and the loyalty are never changed ever after.



In other words, a natural born citizen means at least a second generation citizen of the country. Vattel's own note on the margin of his book refers to the Roman law: NEMO PLUS JURIS TRANSFERRE POTEST, QUAM IPSE HABET, meaning "No one can give more rights than he himself has" (by Dr. A. Altec). Except for Obama/Soetoro, the Vattel definition had been always applied, the last precedent being the US Senate resolution 511 in 2008 (also here and here) acknowledging Sen. McCain as a natural born citizen.

Another indication to the meaning of the term may be found in the Supreme Court's definition of "natural born citizen" as "all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens" (Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 1875).

Often "Natural born citizenship" is confused with §1401 of the US Code "Nationals and citizens of United States at birth". Although the words sound similar, §1401 defines only ordinary citizenship including such shallow one as that of anchor babies (i.e. born to legal guests of the country, §1401(a), never mind illegal residents).

The Constitution clearly and explicitly excludes ordinary citizenship for presidency: ordinary citizenship was reserved only for the presidential candidates - contemporaries of the Framers (referred as the grandfather clause). Definitely the "Natural born citizenship" is not the same as ordinary citizenship, but something stronger. By not explicitly quoting the Vattel's definition, the Constitution therefore leaves some room for confusions. (Many such confusions resulted of deliberate efforts of "progressives" to erode the basic constitutional concepts inconvenient for them).

Fortunately there exists (at least) one original US document directly defining the "Natural born citizenship" according to Emerich de Vattel. This document (which does have legal binding) is the actual text of the FIRST CONGRESS in 1790 (see below).

Other arguments in favor of the definition of Vattel are the following. The Framers (in their correspondence) explicitly wished to exclude dual loyalty, and explicitly required that the US citizenship of the president be deeper than ordinary citizenship (such as that of their contemporaries). After all, any one can acquire an ordinary US citizenship in some point of one's life, so the Framers clearly excluded this kind of citizenship. On the contrary, the Natural Born Citizenship cannot be acquired: it may be only inherited.




After the Framers, all the presidential contenders (up to Sen. McCain in 2008 but not Obama) did officially satisfy this definition, demonstrating continuity of the meaning "Natural born citizenship" consistent with that of Vattel . (In the past only one President Chester Arthur 1881-1885 violated it, hiding and destroying the traces of the British citizenship of his father, discovered only after his death. The carefully hidden violation of Chester Arthur in fact is an additional argument that the Vattel's definition was valid and he was aware of it).





Not only did the continuity and understanding of the Vattel meaning of the "Natural born citizenship" take place well up to 2008: It was clearly disliked and stood on the way of somebody's "progressive aspirations". Since 2002 some members of the US Congress had made various attempts to rid of the concept Natural Born Citizen many years prior to Obama, which all have failed (here, here, and here). So finally in 2008 they simply violated the Constitutional requirement, created the precedent and therefore de-facto have changed the Constitution without any due constitutional process. It was "The Audacity of Dope", rephrasing the notorious title.



In 2008 nobody even attempted to hide the foreign citizenship of Obama's biological father - an open into the face overt violation of the Constitution. Worse, no personal documents of Obama at all have been ever verified. The perpetrators and enablers have been the media, both big and all the small parties, plus the three branches of government, who overlooked and orchestrated ascendance of the impostor into the White House - while the majority of American people didn't care, were hoodwinked, or brain dead.



This brain dead crowd still maintains the consensus of silencing and suppression of the truth, cheering the procession and wonderful clothes of the proverbial Emperor without clothes, while the cheer leaders keep an eye on those attempting to speak out the truth.



The former bright city on the hill turned into a despicable laughing stock for the entire world;

Into a chess board where the checkmate was made, but the winner retreats;

Into a poker game with a bluffer whose cards are never opened;

Into a procession of fools around an emperor without cloth, the procession which never ends.





Summary



1) With only one parent American citizen (the mother) and the father - a foreigner, Obama/Soetoro is definitely not a natural born citizen no matter where he was born and what is in his hidden full birth certificate.

2) His Indonesian upbringing and citizenship had abrogated his natural born American citizenship (if it were valid). Getting back to America he may become only a naturalized citizen: definitely not natural born.


3) Obama's authentic birth certificate at best can only prove him to be an ordinary U.S. citizen according to §1401(a): definitely not a natural born U.S. citizen. (Fixation on his hidden birth certificate is misguiding, just like the pejorative term "birther", invented by those who want to deflect attention from the obvious issues lying on the very surface and not requiring any birth certificate).

4) On the top of it, Obama is a plain fraudster . His recently shown copy of the full birth certificate appeared to be a coarse forgery. He had obtained an invalid Social Security number 042-68-4425, that he currently uses. It was issued in the state of CT to an individual born in 1890. Obama illegally assumed this number, as Dr. Taitz and her collaborators have discovered.



Alexander Gofen



http://www.resonoelusono.com/NO_ANCHOR_BABY_LAW.htm
http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/3735
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm#ref04

Did you know the Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980 had 500 times the blast power of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima? By your logic maybe we should just follow Randy Newman's advice and "Drop the Big One Now". Hey the war pimps could take out Moscow, Beijing, Caracas, Pyongyang, and Ho Chi Min City all in one afternoon and be home in time to watch "Duck Dynasty" and go to an NRA meeting. As Jesus said, "Hey, what does a little bit of collateral damage matter?" :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: