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Apr 12, 2014 01:37:16   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
hprinze wrote:
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I have read your l*****t, private enterprise hatred enough to realize that you don't want to be informed unless the information agrees with your twisted , uninformed thinking.

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I am serious. I belong to what I would call an anti-fracking group which is attempting to put restrictions on the work drillers are planning in the area. My membership has nothing to do with politics.

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Apr 12, 2014 06:57:36   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Alicia wrote:
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I am serious. I belong to what I would call an anti-fracking group which is attempting to put restrictions on the work drillers are planning in the area. My membership has nothing to do with politics.


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Even though you don't actually understand what it is, you are just against it because someone told you it is bad.

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Apr 12, 2014 14:54:57   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
hprinze wrote:
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Even though you don't actually understand what it is, you are just against it because someone told you it is bad.

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I've personally met with people who started working with the fracking group and have heard and personally seen the devastation to their properties that has occurred. Evidently they were convinced, initially, that the "frackers" were being forthright and have learned differently. They cannot even "escape" the situation because, should they decide to move away, their property values have dropped due to these fracking operations.

My own resistance to hydraulic fracking in the extended area in which I live is two-fold. This area has suffered from drought over the past 2+ years and I cannot condone use of any available water for other than its normal use (drinking, personal hygiene and farming). Secondly, my own health has suffered due to the large winds bringing in all sorts of foreign matter. I have already spent thousands for veterinary help as my pets have developed respiratory problems that are not disease related. I cannot do anything about the wind but perhaps I can avoid further health problems by limiting the amount of "junk" they carry.

Does that sound like I don't know what I'm talking about? I believe it is you who are confused about the possible problems that can be increased should the care-less oil operations take hold.

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Apr 12, 2014 19:47:47   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Alicia wrote:
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I've personally met with people who started working with the fracking group and have heard and personally seen the devastation to their properties that has occurred. Evidently they were convinced, initially, that the "frackers" were being forthright and have learned differently. They cannot even "escape" the situation because, should they decide to move away, their property values have dropped due to these fracking operations.

My own resistance to hydraulic fracking in the extended area in which I live is two-fold. This area has suffered from drought over the past 2+ years and I cannot condone use of any available water for other than its normal use (drinking, personal hygiene and farming). Secondly, my own health has suffered due to the large winds bringing in all sorts of foreign matter. I have already spent thousands for veterinary help as my pets have developed respiratory problems that are not disease related. I cannot do anything about the wind but perhaps I can avoid further health problems by limiting the amount of "junk" they carry.

Does that sound like I don't know what I'm talking about? I believe it is you who are confused about the possible problems that can be increased should the care-less oil operations take hold.
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I say again, even though you don't actually understand it, you are against it because someine else told you it's bad and that you should be against it.

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Apr 12, 2014 21:07:31   #
Coupdecu
 
Alicia wrote:
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I've personally met with people who started working with the fracking group and have heard and personally seen the devastation to their properties that has occurred. Evidently they were convinced, initially, that the "frackers" were being forthright and have learned differently. They cannot even "escape" the situation because, should they decide to move away, their property values have dropped due to these fracking operations.

My own resistance to hydraulic fracking in the extended area in which I live is two-fold. This area has suffered from drought over the past 2+ years and I cannot condone use of any available water for other than its normal use (drinking, personal hygiene and farming). Secondly, my own health has suffered due to the large winds bringing in all sorts of foreign matter. I have already spent thousands for veterinary help as my pets have developed respiratory problems that are not disease related. I cannot do anything about the wind but perhaps I can avoid further health problems by limiting the amount of "junk" they carry.

Does that sound like I don't know what I'm talking about? I believe it is you who are confused about the possible problems that can be increased should the care-less oil operations take hold.
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Subject: Last Lead Smelting Plant Gone.








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Thought you might like to know why ammo is getting more and more difficult to obtain these days.






Last lead smelting plant - gone.
All lead for bullets to come from overseas.





There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them. Obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US . They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck.





Remember when Obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes? Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US . Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more. And ponder this… there is an excellent chance that Obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration. So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done. With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China , Australia or Peru , with the overwhelming emphasis on China . More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.





The asshats at the EPA (evil protection agency) had this to say:





The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.





The Doe Run Co. announced last year that it had dropped plans to build a new lead processing facility in Herculaneum that would have used a new, cleaner lead production technology. The company cited the $100 million project as too financially risky.





The EPA is playing Mafioso I guess — we didn’t make them shut down, they made a business decision. In other words, they couldn’t pay the extortion, so the thugs shut them down. I’m pretty sure that Americans are getting ready to make their own business decision regarding the Marxists and I don’t think it will be pleasant. But Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America , our way of life and the Constitution.





The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn’t stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.





The military’s obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It’s as Chris Muir said, he’s not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I’m right there with him on that one.





So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. Obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move.











You can Google this if you don’t believe it, or read this article: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-epa-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production

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Apr 15, 2014 00:48:35   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
hprinze wrote:
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I say again, even though you don't actually understand it, you are against it because someine else told you it's bad and that you should be against it.

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I do believe your reading ability is suffering.

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Apr 15, 2014 00:59:20   #
Brian Devon
 
Alicia wrote:
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I am serious. I belong to what I would call an anti-fracking group which is attempting to put restrictions on the work drillers are planning in the area. My membership has nothing to do with politics.



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Alicia, thanks for your environmental work. It sounds like you are a woman with a strong conscience.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 15, 2014 01:06:33   #
Brian Devon
 
C**pdecu wrote:
God has been taken out of everything, the Federal Reserve and George Soros have their puppet in office that's not able to be president !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America


A "Natural born citizen" - the most crucial concept of the moment in America - is confusing (and deliberately confused). This concept is used in the Constitution of the US (Article II, Section 1, #4) as a precondition for presidency - and only for presidency, being clearly distinguished from ordinary citizenship. It has not been defined in the Constitution nor in any later statutes, because it had been self evident in the time when the Constitution was written, codified in the then contemporary encyclopedia "The Law of Nations" (1758) by Emerich de Vattel. (As a legal source "Law of Nations" is mentioned in Article I, Section 8, #10 of the Constitution in respect to the authority of the US Congress to enforce the law of nations, in particular - against piracies and felonies on high seas).

According to Chapter 19, §212 of "Law of Nations", the concept "Natural born citizen" is a twofold criterion meaning that:





Both parents must be the citizens of, and the birth must take place in the concerned country, assuming that the citizenship inherited by this child and the loyalty are never changed ever after.



In other words, a natural born citizen means at least a second generation citizen of the country. Vattel's own note on the margin of his book refers to the Roman law: NEMO PLUS JURIS T***SFERRE POTEST, QUAM IPSE HABET, meaning "No one can give more rights than he himself has" (by Dr. A. Altec). Except for Obama/Soetoro, the Vattel definition had been always applied, the last precedent being the US Senate resolution 511 in 2008 (also here and here) acknowledging Sen. McCain as a natural born citizen.

Another indication to the meaning of the term may be found in the Supreme Court's definition of "natural born citizen" as "all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens" (Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 1875).

Often "Natural born citizenship" is confused with §1401 of the US Code "Nationals and citizens of United States at birth". Although the words sound similar, §1401 defines only ordinary citizenship including such shallow one as that of anchor babies (i.e. born to legal guests of the country, §1401(a), never mind illegal residents).

The Constitution clearly and explicitly excludes ordinary citizenship for presidency: ordinary citizenship was reserved only for the p**********l candidates - contemporaries of the Framers (referred as the grandfather clause). Definitely the "Natural born citizenship" is not the same as ordinary citizenship, but something stronger. By not explicitly quoting the Vattel's definition, the Constitution therefore leaves some room for confusions. (Many such confusions resulted of deliberate efforts of "progressives" to erode the basic constitutional concepts inconvenient for them).

Fortunately there exists (at least) one original US document directly defining the "Natural born citizenship" according to Emerich de Vattel. This document (which does have legal binding) is the actual text of the FIRST CONGRESS in 1790 (see below).

Other arguments in favor of the definition of Vattel are the following. The Framers (in their correspondence) explicitly wished to exclude dual loyalty, and explicitly required that the US citizenship of the president be deeper than ordinary citizenship (such as that of their contemporaries). After all, any one can acquire an ordinary US citizenship in some point of one's life, so the Framers clearly excluded this kind of citizenship. On the contrary, the Natural Born Citizenship cannot be acquired: it may be only inherited.




After the Framers, all the p**********l contenders (up to Sen. McCain in 2008 but not Obama) did officially satisfy this definition, demonstrating continuity of the meaning "Natural born citizenship" consistent with that of Vattel . (In the past only one President Chester Arthur 1881-1885 violated it, hiding and destroying the traces of the British citizenship of his father, discovered only after his death. The carefully hidden violation of Chester Arthur in fact is an additional argument that the Vattel's definition was valid and he was aware of it).





Not only did the continuity and understanding of the Vattel meaning of the "Natural born citizenship" take place well up to 2008: It was clearly disliked and stood on the way of somebody's "progressive aspirations". Since 2002 some members of the US Congress had made various attempts to rid of the concept Natural Born Citizen many years prior to Obama, which all have failed (here, here, and here). So finally in 2008 they simply violated the Constitutional requirement, created the precedent and therefore de-facto have changed the Constitution without any due constitutional process. It was "The Audacity of Dope", rephrasing the notorious title.



In 2008 nobody even attempted to hide the foreign citizenship of Obama's biological father - an open into the face overt violation of the Constitution. Worse, no personal documents of Obama at all have been ever verified. The perpetrators and enablers have been the media, both big and all the small parties, plus the three branches of government, who overlooked and orchestrated ascendance of the impostor into the White House - while the majority of American people didn't care, were hoodwinked, or brain dead.



This brain dead crowd still maintains the consensus of silencing and suppression of the t***h, cheering the procession and wonderful clothes of the proverbial Emperor without clothes, while the cheer leaders keep an eye on those attempting to speak out the t***h.



The former bright city on the hill turned into a despicable laughing stock for the entire world;

Into a chess board where the checkmate was made, but the winner retreats;

Into a poker game with a bluffer whose cards are never opened;

Into a procession of fools around an emperor without cloth, the procession which never ends.





Summary



1) With only one parent American citizen (the mother) and the father - a foreigner, Obama/Soetoro is definitely not a natural born citizen no matter where he was born and what is in his hidden full birth certificate.

2) His Indonesian upbringing and citizenship had abrogated his natural born American citizenship (if it were valid). Getting back to America he may become only a naturalized citizen: definitely not natural born.


3) Obama's authentic birth certificate at best can only prove him to be an ordinary U.S. citizen according to §1401(a): definitely not a natural born U.S. citizen. (Fixation on his hidden birth certificate is misguiding, just like the pejorative term "birther", invented by those who want to deflect attention from the obvious issues lying on the very surface and not requiring any birth certificate).

4) On the top of it, Obama is a plain fraudster . His recently shown copy of the full birth certificate appeared to be a coarse forgery. He had obtained an invalid Social Security number 042-68-4425, that he currently uses. It was issued in the state of CT to an individual born in 1890. Obama illegally assumed this number, as Dr. Taitz and her collaborators have discovered.



Alexander Gofen



http://www.resonoelusono.com/NO_ANCHOR_BABY_LAW.htm
http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/3735
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm#ref04
God has been taken out of everything, the Federal ... (show quote)




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Hey, C**p De Ville, you will get your birther wish. President Obama has graciously agreed to surrender the White House keys....on Jan. 20, 2017 at noon. If you need to k**l time between now and then, you can always make balloon elephants for the Tea Party.

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Apr 15, 2014 04:06:48   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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Alicia, thanks for your environmental work. It sounds like you are a woman with a strong conscience.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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But knowing little or nothing about the activity you're so against.

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Apr 15, 2014 07:52:08   #
Coupdecu
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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Hey, C**p De Ville, you will get your birther wish. President Obama has graciously agreed to surrender the White House keys....on Jan. 20, 2017 at noon. If you need to k**l time between now and then, you can always make balloon elephants for the Tea Party.


Hey Bri I hope you like your new RESIDENCE @ (Fema camp for you), and later your Plastic Coffin Obama has made for YOU!!!!!!!!

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Apr 15, 2014 08:00:20   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
hprinze wrote:
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But knowing little or nothing about the activity you're so against.

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I speak of what I know.

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