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Jul 2, 2019 22:40:09   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Do a search.... Bush and President Obama did separate families under specific conditions and stopped the practice after is was clearly not a viable solution..

trump resumed the practice and increased it enormously..

the concentration camps that are used today and due to trump and his Private contractors..


You are being disingenuous. There are two main reasons Obama's child detentions were of shorter duration. 1) Handing the kids over to any adult who wants to claim them with minimal attempt to verify who they are keeps the facility from filling up and getting crowded. 2) Releasing illegals into the population gets them off your hands and costs less in the short term. Later costs are hard to distinguish within the general population.

The facilities which have been built or obtained under Trump are NOT warehouses but look more like large schools. The kids sleep in rooms on beds instead of fenced off areas of a warehouse on the floor. They get schooling, medical care, and more; instead of pushed out to the street with any adult, including child sex trafficker, who says they are the parent or relative. Isn't it funny that it is the attractive children who quickly had parents show up to claim them. Parents who had to see the children to pick out their own instead of tell the child's name, age, and describe what they looked like if they had no documentation.

The warehouse facilities were supposed to be phased out but with the huge numbers, they are still in use as well.

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Jul 2, 2019 22:41:04   #
JoyV
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Liberals claim some sort of moral high ground because they think wetbacks deserve government aid that US citizens and legal immigrants cannot receive. This is not a difference in morality; it's a difference in intelligence quotients.



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Jul 2, 2019 22:48:17   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
JoyV wrote:
You are being disingenuous. There are two main reasons Obama's child detentions were of shorter duration. 1) Handing the kids over to any adult who wants to claim them with minimal attempt to verify who they are keeps the facility from filling up and getting crowded. 2) Releasing illegals into the population gets them off your hands and costs less in the short term. Later costs are hard to distinguish within the general population.

The facilities which have been built or obtained under Trump are NOT warehouses but look more like large schools. The kids sleep in rooms on beds instead of fenced off areas of a warehouse on the floor. They get schooling, medical care, and more; instead of pushed out to the street with any adult, including child sex trafficker, who says they are the parent or relative. Isn't it funny that it is the attractive children who quickly had parents show up to claim them. Parents who had to see the children to pick out their own instead of tell the child's name, age, and describe what they looked like if they had no documentation.

The warehouse facilities were supposed to be phased out but with the huge numbers, they are still in use as well.
You are being disingenuous. There are two main re... (show quote)


Also, Obama's CBP never had to deal with more than 1000/day. That number is way up this year to about 3000/day.

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Jul 2, 2019 22:50:30   #
Seth
 
JoyV wrote:
You are being disingenuous. There are two main reasons Obama's child detentions were of shorter duration. 1) Handing the kids over to any adult who wants to claim them with minimal attempt to verify who they are keeps the facility from filling up and getting crowded. 2) Releasing illegals into the population gets them off your hands and costs less in the short term. Later costs are hard to distinguish within the general population.

The facilities which have been built or obtained under Trump are NOT warehouses but look more like large schools. The kids sleep in rooms on beds instead of fenced off areas of a warehouse on the floor. They get schooling, medical care, and more; instead of pushed out to the street with any adult, including child sex trafficker, who says they are the parent or relative. Isn't it funny that it is the attractive children who quickly had parents show up to claim them. Parents who had to see the children to pick out their own instead of tell the child's name, age, and describe what they looked like if they had no documentation.

The warehouse facilities were supposed to be phased out but with the huge numbers, they are still in use as well.
You are being disingenuous. There are two main re... (show quote)


Many of those children were turned right back over, by the people who took custody of them, to the coyotes to re-enter the country with other couples as "family members."

That's why, a month or so ago, the Border Patrol decided to begin fingerprinting them, to see how many coming in were "reruns" being used for "family" refugee claims.

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Jul 2, 2019 23:03:50   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Gee, I thought I was always the late to the party person.. well you came for the end, lots of stuff. I may not get to them all for sure..

So sad about the strange cats at your place..

wild life... even when time was near impossible to find, I worked with the DNR on habitat, supported duck unlimited, specific work for sand hill cranes, trumpeter swans and wild turkeys.. improved white tail habitat. Mule deer are doing very well, we even see a couple in western Minnesota every few years.

I got involved bigly, with effort to save the Moose in Minnesota.. as a consequence of climate change the tick population exploded, carried a virus fatal to Moose, so the population in NW Minn. in now nearly nonexistent. the NE herd is stressed and hunting season always in question..

I was a bible school teacher a long time ago.. 6th grade, 2 week class was the longest 6 months i ever had.
I did demo classes for 4-H, raised 2 of my grand kids from toddler to adult.. does that count. Or am I still the amoral criminal most of the world matches to the orange anomaly??

YKou got so much posted that I will skip it all and attend to my own demanding needs..

Have a great day and think before you vote in 2020......
Gee, I thought I was always the late to the party ... (show quote)


It wasn't me saying the liberals and progressives have no morality. It was you who said, "Let us spend a moment and address "conservative morality" an oxymoron if ever we had one.. Morality among trump supports does not exist. the words are used in a calculated effort to gain a goal dictated by the orange con and his following Republicans.." So I responded in refutation.

And by the way, coatis are not cats. They are one of a handful of species in the raccoon family. But they behave more like a cross between monkeys and lemurs. They travel a large well established route returning every two or three months. They groom each other like monkeys. They all keep an eye on the young. They are omnivores and eat just about anything. Plants, fruits and seeds; insects, frogs, fish; birds, eggs, and lizards; and even snakes and tarantulas and scorpions.

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Jul 2, 2019 23:11:48   #
1ProudAmerican
 
PeterS wrote:
yup...


Were you screaming about this like an A$$ when the DarkDonkeyMan started this?????

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Jul 2, 2019 23:27:55   #
IrreverentOne75 Loc: Minnesota
 
PeterS wrote:
yup...


You are one ignorant fool. If it wasn't for bad morals you liberals wouldn't have any.

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Jul 2, 2019 23:29:09   #
Ricktloml
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
When you aren't smart enough to realize that a large percentage of the adults are not the children's parents, we have a difference in intelligence.


Yeah "ripping" those poor children from the cartel's loving arms is really hard on leftists, but it does fit THEIR sense of morals, contrived outrage, with no real truth behind it.

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Jul 2, 2019 23:52:26   #
debeda
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Yeah, let’s talk about leftist morality verses conservative morality.

Rule of law to leftists means giving illegal aliens sanctuary cities and guaranteed healthcare, including the same for rapists, drug dealers and violent gang members, while our inner cities, run by leftists and their policies, live in squalor like 3rd world countries, whose cities have maps where the worst piles of human waste are accumulating on the streets, and young students, who should be graduating with high scholastic marks, can’t read and write let alone understand the principles of freedom, liberty and social and personal responsibility. And you leftists only care about belittling and denigrating and “resisting” our President Trump’s attempts at diplomacy with our enemies which trumps your disregard for US citizens every day of the week. It’s called giving them “face.” If all Trump did was to go around claiming Putin were utter evil, what could possibly be the ice breaker at a negotiation table?

You leftist folks can’t even understand there are only two biological sexes, which are determined by chromosomes not by choice. And so, in full rejection of what has been the basic building blocks of society throughout the history of mankind, you would rather allow perverts the “liberty” and “right” to go into bathrooms not allocated to their biological sex and now our children are at risk of being molested in what should be safe places to relieve themselves. And now you’re even glorifying biological men in sports competitions with biological women, whom said men are being given awards for “beating” women, and you call that “progress”?

Our founders, who every one of them had high moral standards, did their level best to assure us all the “right to freedom of speech” and what have you leftist nut jobs done with it? You’ve decided it best to stretch it to the point where people who still accept the scientific fact that it takes one man and one woman to procreate our species should be disdained as “bigots” and so you are hellbent on criminalizing our “freedom of speech” to call a man, woman, boy or girl by their biologically determined pronouns. Yeah, you leftists are so lovingly tolerant that nothing less than denying us our free speech will suffice for you in your battle to normalize perversion and criminalize the open expression of the by-far-superiority of biological normalcy.

You leftist nut jobs insist on transforming the USA, a veritable bastion of liberty and freedom, into an ever more and more socialist country by putting more and more government programs and unelected politicians and government employees in charge of an ever expanding government knowing full well big government has always been antithetical to our Constitutional Republic, let alone that socialist and communistic ideologies have proven to be the most murderous ideologies know to mankind. And this is why you must vilify our President at every opportunity. Trump’s willingness to not destroy 150 people in reaction to a strike against an unmanned drone, regardless of his other human character flaws, far outweighs your pathetic sense of justice or morals.

You make champions of people like the Clintons who ran an international pay-for-play operation while selling out our government in the process to the highest bidder. And you want to preach to us about morals? Trump’s accumulation of wealth, although questionable it maybe, still far outweighs the morals of the leaders you champion. So instead of pointing fingers at each other’s politicians, why aren’t we as a people agreeing to hold all our politicians to at least the same moral standards as they hold the rest of us to? Leftists have their extremists in Bernie Sanders and more socialism and big government, conservatives, in the other hand, create things like the tea party which was designed to hold our politicians responsible to our convictions. So the leftist answer is more mob rule while the conservative answer is less governmental imposition and more oversight and accountability of our government.

You have transferred “freedom of religion” of the right of people to practice their religion into your manufactured illogical “freedom from religion”, and you can’t even see that you have become the oppressors of freedom of religion you claim to be against.

The same goes for freedom of speech, where your colleges and universities, rather than being bastions of free thinking and open discussion of opposing points of view now protest and reject the free discussion of conservative positions as evil and bigoted and you can’t even see how bigoted that is to hold your “convictions”.

The same goes for the right to bear arms, wherein the constitution of the USA recognizes the God-given right of people to keep and bare arms, both for self protection and protection against tyrannical governments, but your politicians seek every opportunity to infringe if not outright remove that fundamental right of a free people. And you are surprised that your “morals,” I should say total lack of anything resembling a moral compass, are scary indeed to us conservatives who love our freedoms and liberties and <gasp> our families consisting of one man and one woman.

And last but not least your party, no, your ideological leftism, is guilty of murdering more living human beings than can accurately be counted through abortion and you only show your willingness to grow worse and worse in justifying the snuffing out of human life up to the moment of birth if not even after that. And you can’t understand or fathom our outrage? Yeah, that is a serious difference in morals.

When you can show you have even the most basic of understanding of these fundamental yet simple concepts of social morals, then, perhaps we could find some common ground.

Until then, I’m more than willing to contend for the morals held by conservatives. We are obviously in a war over morals, and with every ignorant post you leftists post, and every “regressive” step you take to eradicate true morals, you only make my resolve stronger to speak out against the moral outrage that is leftism now going under the false banner, or we could say false flag, of “progressivism”. If you can’t even be honest with yourself about your identity, how could anyone ever expect you to be honest about your goals and agenda?

And we know this is the real reason you leftists are waging an all out war against our duly elected President.
So be it, if it takes a “monster” like Trump to wake people up to your excesses: I will continue to support him, not as my pastor, or other “spiritual” mentor or model, but for the simple purpose of making sure folks with such twisted morals as those in your leftist camp can be silenced and defeated at every attempt of influencing this world with their amoral corruption.
Yeah, let’s talk about leftist morality verses con... (show quote)


Right on, Tommy

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Jul 3, 2019 00:32:53   #
Hadenough
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Yeah "ripping" those poor children from the cartel's loving arms is really hard on leftists, but it does fit THEIR sense of morals, contrived outrage, with no real truth behind it.


The libs have no problem taking away freedom of speech from conservatives, trying to take away our right to bear arms and killing a live fetus, but they think an illegal should have more rights and it’s okay to break our laws. They condemn our President and nations laws. Let’s put the blame where it belongs, on the shoulders of their parents and countries of origin.
We can’t keep accepting these people that have no desire to assimilate and become productive citizens. So many are using their children as a ticket or passport to the land of opportunity.
I am curious to see how many of these bleeding hearts are willing to take these “poor” people in and clothe, feed, house, educate, provide medical care and keep them from becoming a burden to all taxpayers.
Do these libs ever wonder how these “poor” unwanted people can afford a cellphone making calls on their journey and who pays the bill. Who is feeding them and clothing them on the dangerous journey from Central America? So many of them don’t appear to be hurting from the lack of food and diapers. Can you say Soros?
I’m thinking of starting a business, Rent-a-kid, daily, weekly or monthly, return them at the border.

MAGA
God Bless the USA and President Trump

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Jul 3, 2019 00:50:53   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Do a search.... Bush and President Obama did separate families under specific conditions and stopped the practice after is was clearly not a viable solution..

trump resumed the practice and increased it enormously..

the concentration camps that are used today and due to trump and his Private contractors..


Actually Obama stopped it in 2009 but started it back up in 2014.
"...But advocates continued to point out that the government was detaining children with serious health conditions. A letter sent to DHS by House Democrats last month said that:

we have learned of the detention of children with intellectual disabilities, a child with brain cancer, a mother with a congenital heart disorder, a 14-day-old baby, and a 12-year-old child who has not eaten solid food for two months, among many others. Recently, we learned of a three-year-old child at the Berks County Residential Center who was throwing up for three days and was apparently offered water as a form of medical treatment. It was only after the child began throwing up blood on the fourth day that the facility finally transferred her to a hospital."
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9067877/family-detention-immigration-flores

May 15, 2015 12:22PM EDT
The Obama administration has until May 24, 2015, to propose a plan in response to a federal judge’s preliminary ruling that family detention violates a binding settlement on the rights of migrant children. US authorities should immediately release migrant families detained after entering the United States to seek asylum, Human Rights Watch said.

“The Obama administration has now kept traumatized children and their mothers locked up for nearly a year,” said Clara Long, US researcher at Human Rights Watch. “They have no idea when they will be released, and they are terrified to be deported back to places where they could be killed, raped, or otherwise harmed.”
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/05/15/us-trauma-family-immigration-detention-0

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/13/migrant-children-housing-conditions/10402609/

These pictures are from 2014.











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Jul 3, 2019 08:30:53   #
Ricktloml
 
Hadenough wrote:
The libs have no problem taking away freedom of speech from conservatives, trying to take away our right to bear arms and killing a live fetus, but they think an illegal should have more rights and it’s okay to break our laws. They condemn our President and nations laws. Let’s put the blame where it belongs, on the shoulders of their parents and countries of origin.
We can’t keep accepting these people that have no desire to assimilate and become productive citizens. So many are using their children as a ticket or passport to the land of opportunity.
I am curious to see how many of these bleeding hearts are willing to take these “poor” people in and clothe, feed, house, educate, provide medical care and keep them from becoming a burden to all taxpayers.
Do these libs ever wonder how these “poor” unwanted people can afford a cellphone making calls on their journey and who pays the bill. Who is feeding them and clothing them on the dangerous journey from Central America? So many of them don’t appear to be hurting from the lack of food and diapers. Can you say Soros?
I’m thinking of starting a business, Rent-a-kid, daily, weekly or monthly, return them at the border.

MAGA
God Bless the USA and President Trump
The libs have no problem taking away freedom of sp... (show quote)



As well as support on the trip here, EVERY illegal must pay the cartels thousands of dollars to be smuggled across our border. So whoever, (Soros as well as other left-wing financiers,) are effectively in league with the cartels. I believe the term is asymmetrical warfare. This is an invasion

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Jul 3, 2019 08:33:46   #
debeda
 
Ricktloml wrote:
As well as support on the trip here, EVERY illegal must pay the cartels thousands of dollars to be smuggled across our border. So whoever, (Soros as well as other left-wing financiers,) are effectively in league with the cartels. I believe the term is asymmetrical warfare. This is an invasion


And they use children. Shameful

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Jul 3, 2019 09:24:03   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
PeterS wrote:
yup...


1. Their "parents", have placed them in "harm's way"!

2. The United States "owes security", to their citizens!....{ Constitution}

3. This has been ongoing, at least as far back as Ronald Reagan, Trump..."Is not responsible", for starting this! { But, "Morally", he is trying to fix this Demoncrat abortion}

4. The Demoncrats, through Soros, & his heinous "Anti-American", minions, are responsible for the "mass migration", of Latin American, & Mexican, citizens, trying to get "freebies", from America, & the Demoncrats, are counting on them voting in a National election.....{ VOTING DEMONCRAT}......How can you put "Morality" into this equation? Morality is something that is "absent" from the souls of the Demoncrats! Try "Infanticide", Rampant "anytime" abortions, Sanctuary Cities, { protecting criminals}, & so many other party platform Heinous positions!

5. America, must have borders/walls/security, from our enemies! Where is the "Morality", of the Demoncrats? ? ? ? ? { non-existant}!

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Jul 3, 2019 09:37:00   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
PeterS wrote:
yup...


Are we supposed to believe liberals are moral, and not hypocrites?

Will someone try and defend ANTIFA?

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