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Jun 6, 2019 20:57:20   #
John King
 
woodguru wrote:
More contacts and friends than you'll know...we have no muslim types in this redneck county, what we do have is a substantial presence of skinheads and supremacist types. As discussed with my sheriff and ATF friends, there is a high level computer and electronics theft ring in this county, and funds derived from an organized presence gets funneled to interesting organized elements.

No cop or sheriff doesn't know what it feels like to have his nuts tighten up when stopping a heavily tattooed skinhead type, often they will sit and wait for backup. These people can be dangerous, and have attitudes that they will not go back to jail. These are bad asses and as a cop if you aren't afraid of them you are stupid and have no survival skills.
More contacts and friends than you'll know...we ha... (show quote)


Skinheads and supremacist types . . . I think I kinda know what you're talking about, not having any real contact with them. I live a bigger city . . . the largest in my state. I've seem movies about large areas with small populations . . . that have lots of areas where certain groups can find seclusion away from the many.

I am aware of the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents! The term 'Patriot' has been slandered over the many years . . . but, as a true patriot, I would never fall under these extremist type groups! Skinheads and supremacist types may present themselves as standing up for what's right and true . . . but they are deluded into believing they are in the right.

It would be interesting to know if you are or were employed in the law enforcement part of society. It would give more credence to your comments in this.

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Jun 6, 2019 21:45:23   #
cbpat1
 
America 1 wrote:
Just take a look at how successful gun control is in Democratic-controlled cities.
Then what right do you want to eliminate next?
The right to bear arms is a common good.



That’s right. Just look at Chicago and Baltimore. Two of the Cities with the toughest gun control laws in the country. Liberals have great intentions, with terrible unintended consequences. Why would we want to subject the entire country to more stupidity like those two cities have already proved their policies to be?

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Jun 7, 2019 00:29:23   #
JoyV
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually Treyvon would argue...

Had the little mexican cop wannabe Zimmerman not been armed Treyvon would not have gotten shot, had our little over aggressive fool simply followed the police dispatcher's orders and not followed him as he was instructed to wait for police like he was told to do, there would have been no altercation.

I would say someone who can't follow simple instructions like we are on it, cops on the way, they will handle it, do not follow, is not qualified to be carrying a firearm.
Actually Treyvon would argue... br br Had the lit... (show quote)


You chose a poor example to refute my assertion than armed law abiding citizens are not a danger to innocent bystanders.

1) Treyvon was not an innocent bystander who was accidentally shot while Zimmerman was attempting to stop someone else in the act of committing a crime.

2) Zimmerman wasn't simply an armed citizen who just happened upon a crime in progress, but rather someone who had been assigned a quasi law enforcement roll by his neighborhood watch community. He also was studying criminal justice. And he had worked closely with law enforcement.

3) Zimmerman's wounds are evidence of a physical altercation before he used his gun.

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Jun 7, 2019 00:44:17   #
JoyV
 
woodguru wrote:
More contacts and friends than you'll know...we have no muslim types in this redneck county, what we do have is a substantial presence of skinheads and supremacist types. As discussed with my sheriff and ATF friends, there is a high level computer and electronics theft ring in this county, and funds derived from an organized presence gets funneled to interesting organized elements.

No cop or sheriff doesn't know what it feels like to have his nuts tighten up when stopping a heavily tattooed skinhead type, often they will sit and wait for backup. These people can be dangerous, and have attitudes that they will not go back to jail. These are bad asses and as a cop if you aren't afraid of them you are stupid and have no survival skills.
More contacts and friends than you'll know...we ha... (show quote)


To take your local situation and assume the same is true for rural communities as a whole, is narrow minded. Nor would my rural area be the norm nationwide as my county is on our southern border. But I find it interesting that a rural community can have so many sheriffs that they could habitually sit and wait for back-up with assurance that back-up won't have to travel an hour or more to reach them. If you hadn't specified rural, your description would have led me to conclude this was an urban setting. In fact, skinhead gangs generally operate in urban settings.

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Jun 7, 2019 00:48:55   #
JoyV
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Actually, Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle when Martin viciously attacked him. Zimmerman was down, Martin on top of him beating his head against the sidewalk, broke his nose and split open his scalp. Who ya gonna call? How about a 9mm Kel-Tec PF-9 pistol?

The pathologist agreed with Zimmerman's account of the beating.


Yup. Here are photos taken at the scene.





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Jun 7, 2019 01:10:44   #
JoyV
 
Rose42 wrote:
What you say about Reagan is true.

However, that meme by occupydemocrats is pretty silly.

The founders were brilliant men. Do gun grabbers honestly expect us to believe that with the foresight they showed in crafting the Constitution that none foresaw the development of guns that would hold more than one bullet?


They already had guns which could. There was the Belton repeating arms musket. Belton wrote, “I have discovered an improvement, in the use of Small Armes, wherein a common small arm, may be maid to discharge eight balls one after another, in eight, five or three seconds of time.”

Another relatively rapid fire weapon was the Ferguson Rifle invented by British officer, Major Patrick Ferguson. The Ferguson Rifle was a flint lock, but it was breech loading rather than the standard muzzle-loaded rifle. It could fire up to seven rounds per minute, two to three times faster that the muzzle-loading weapons of the day. Using the Ferguson Rifle, light infantry troops could continue loading and firing without breaking cover, even when lying prone. This rifle was used by the British against the Americans

The Girandoni air rifle was an airgun designed by Tyrolian inventor Bartholomäus Girandoni. This rifle had a lethal combat range of 125 to 150 yards. It had the advantage of a high rate of fire, no smoke from propellants, and low muzzle report. It had a detachable magazine containing 19 rounds of ammunition.

They also had machine guns:
*The Puckle Gun (very similar to the later Gatlin Gun) was created 60 years before the writing of our constitution.
*Pepper box revolvers could hold up to 20 rounds was invented hundreds of years before the writing of our constitution.

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Jun 7, 2019 01:16:19   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
I think we are well beyond debating what the constitution said about guns..

We could go into "why", looking logically at what the nations condition was at the late 1700s.. but non of you would consider that, even for a looky-look..

while the very first multi fire guns were put together long (decades) before our revolution and the Declaration/constitution, None of them were practical until the Gatling gun in the mid 1800s..

So I feel comfortable saying the founding fathers were talking single shot guns as they wrote our hallowed paper of directions..

Like every thing else in live, guns change and expectations change, I can not find any logic in saying the fathers promoted a system to remove the power from the very system which gave them power to write the constitution.

force out our new government and replace them with what?

remove themselves or those that followed the same great system?

Back in the a opening days of our nation, we had no real army, the Marines abourd ships was the closest to military we had..

So at that time an organized bunch of rowdy civilians could indeed over turn the government of our nation..

Today.. as has been pointed out, before the rabble even got to the military, they would be shot to ribbons.

Does anyone truly believe that a group of average citizens could get off the couch and battle with any of our many forms of near military type law agencies?

Does anyone truly think the Military would side with a bunch of rabble couch potatoes to try and kill anyone in our government? or even the hardware store owner?

The craving for "big" guns has no honest base in patriotism, it is only a "gosh I wish I could be Rambo" dream of the playground mind..
I think we are well beyond debating what the const... (show quote)


Do you include privately owned canons as single shot guns? A letter from Madison (can't remember which other founder it was to) which praised militia members who had their own canons.

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Jun 7, 2019 01:19:17   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
I think this thread is way off subject, but that is norm..

I was once upon a time a very good shot.. so I understand you..

but I do not think this thread has anything to do with what you, me or the man next to us can do with a gun.

It seems to be about what a nut case see as exciting and a road to fame as they see it..

So they find the allure of military style arms to just as exciting as playground king of the hill games..

I will accept the reports as I read them and stand on as a fact that a few more magazine changes would possibly let a few more people survive a mass shooting..
I think this thread is way off subject, but that i... (show quote)


I must have missed the news stories of mass shootings with AK47s or M16s. I thought you were a veteran. As such, surely you don't buy into the left narrative that semiautomatics are military style arms.

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Jun 7, 2019 01:27:27   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Joy, that argument is about the same as saying the founding fathers never thought we would need traffic laws, so we can forget about all the traffic regulations and do as we wish..

What the heck the constitution does not outlaw it..

Do the wheely,,,have a good time..


The 2nd amendment isn't about outlawing arms!!!! Rather it, like most of the Constitution, is about limiting the federal government's authority over American's rights. To equate such limitations being imposed as being like traffic regulations boggles the mind. And to say a right guaranteed in our constitution equates with something not being forbidden because it isn't in the constitution; has no logical basis.

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Jun 7, 2019 01:31:16   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
OH GOLLY,,,, yes,, I have 2 civilian versions of AR-15... The Colt version is pretty well done..

A .22 Made by Marlin, 2 others which would be called varmint guns, one by Winchester and the other is savage..

I have 2 single shot .22, a single shot 16 gauge shotgun, a double 12 gauge , a bolt action 270, best rifle of the lot.. an old, mfg in the 1880s lever action, chambered as 32-40..

A couple more but no hand gun other then one I am storing for a good friend.. also several rifles for the same buddy..

few more also, 308,,,30 30,,, but that is good enough for a reply.
OH GOLLY,,,, yes,, I have 2 civilian versions of A... (show quote)


Civilian versions of the AR15? The AR15 IS a civilian gun. So you have semiautomatics but want to limit others being able to have them.

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Jun 7, 2019 01:35:59   #
JoyV
 
Rose42 wrote:
It would be interesting to go back in time and pick their brains.


No time machine needed. Many were prolific letter writers with many letters surviving to today. Their views on individual rights are stated frequently.

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Jun 7, 2019 02:24:53   #
PeterS
 
proud republican wrote:
WRONG!!!!It was NOT semi..It was 2 had guns with extended magazines!!!..And it was bought legally...

Thanks to conservatives semi-autos with extended magazines can be legally bought. Why is it you don't seem to be able to grasp that?

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Jun 7, 2019 03:47:21   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Thanks to conservatives semi-autos with extended magazines can be legally bought. Why is it you don't seem to be able to grasp that?
Correction: Semi-auto handguns don't come with extended magazines. You have to buy them separately, they are expensive, and only a small percentage who own semi-autos buy them. They are more of a novelty than a practical item. Even so, what's the BFD? Only pussies worry about things like this.

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Jun 7, 2019 07:38:20   #
Rose42
 


I thought those came later - glad I was wrong.

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Jun 7, 2019 08:04:18   #
Mikeyavelli
 
JoyV wrote:
Do you include privately owned canons as single shot guns? A letter from Madison (can't remember which other founder it was to) which praised militia members who had their own canons.


A blunderbuss was considered a cannon.

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