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Jun 6, 2019 17:42:19   #
Rose42
 
permafrost wrote:
I am glad you saved your friends butt.. good job..

If I lived in an area that I had that problem, I would move.

Reagan let over 250 US Marines be blown up in the barracks and then took our armed forces home without any action at all.

He also did nothing for a CIA head who was kidnapped, tortured for 18 months, reveled all the field agent s and every secret he held.. Ronnie did nothing.. It ended the CIA effectiveness for years..

He watch a video the terrorists sent him of h*****g a former US general who was involved in our intelligence in the ME.. did nothing came home..

So do not be duped into using that man as a model for a "strong stand"!!!

He spent the money for the war industry, then did nothing at all when force was needed..
I am glad you saved your friends butt.. good job..... (show quote)


What you say about Reagan is true.

However, that meme by occupydemocrats is pretty silly.

The founders were brilliant men. Do gun grabbers honestly expect us to believe that with the foresight they showed in crafting the Constitution that none foresaw the development of guns that would hold more than one bullet?

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Jun 6, 2019 17:49:21   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Could you maybe point out where in the Constitution it specifies the number of allowable rounds a magazine may contain?




I think we are well beyond debating what the constitution said about guns..

We could go into "why", looking logically at what the nations condition was at the late 1700s.. but non of you would consider that, even for a looky-look..

while the very first multi fire guns were put together long (decades) before our revolution and the Declaration/constitution, None of them were practical until the Gatling gun in the mid 1800s..

So I feel comfortable saying the founding fathers were talking single shot guns as they wrote our hallowed paper of directions..

Like every thing else in live, guns change and expectations change, I can not find any logic in saying the fathers promoted a system to remove the power from the very system which gave them power to write the constitution.

force out our new government and replace them with what?

remove themselves or those that followed the same great system?

Back in the a opening days of our nation, we had no real army, the Marines abourd ships was the closest to military we had..

So at that time an organized bunch of rowdy civilians could indeed over turn the government of our nation..

Today.. as has been pointed out, before the rabble even got to the military, they would be shot to ribbons.

Does anyone truly believe that a group of average citizens could get off the couch and battle with any of our many forms of near military type law agencies?

Does anyone truly think the Military would side with a bunch of rabble couch potatoes to try and k**l anyone in our government? or even the hardware store owner?

The craving for "big" guns has no honest base in patriotism, it is only a "gosh I wish I could be Rambo" dream of the playground mind..

Getting to feeding time.. somewhere...
Getting to feeding time.. somewhere......

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Jun 6, 2019 17:52:53   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah. Lots of people carry knives in their pockets, why not a gun? What's the BFD?


I'd rather have the gun in a knife fight.

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Jun 6, 2019 17:58:38   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
30 rounds to a marksman means 30 hits to the enemy. Don't worry, my .45 only holds eight rounds.
But I keep loaded clips. Less than a second to reload.



I think this thread is way off subject, but that is norm..

I was once upon a time a very good shot.. so I understand you..

but I do not think this thread has anything to do with what you, me or the man next to us can do with a gun.

It seems to be about what a nut case see as exciting and a road to fame as they see it..

So they find the allure of military style arms to just as exciting as playground king of the hill games..

I will accept the reports as I read them and stand on as a fact that a few more magazine changes would possibly let a few more people survive a mass shooting..



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Jun 6, 2019 18:03:05   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Note that our founding fathers did not think that because a gun could be used for bad outcomes, they should limit their use under the law. Your argument is one that can be better used FOR our constitutionally guaranteed rights, not against them.




Joy, that argument is about the same as saying the founding fathers never thought we would need traffic laws, so we can forget about all the traffic regulations and do as we wish..

What the heck the constitution does not outlaw it..

Do the wheely,,,have a good time..



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Jun 6, 2019 18:10:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
All were in strict gun control areas. Nor were they all with the AR15 despite your posted sign.

Several types of guns have been used in mass shootings in the United States. A 2014 study of 142 shootings by Dr. James Fox found 88 (62%) were committed with handguns of all types; 68 (48%) with semi-automatic handguns, 20 (14%) with revolvers), 35 (25%) with semi-automatic rifles, and 19 (13%) with shotguns. The study was conducted using the Mother Jones database of mass shootings from 1982–2018. High capacity magazines were used in approximately half of mass shootings. Semi-automatic rifles have been used in six of the ten deadliest mass shooting events.

AURORA- Holmes threw two canisters emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation.[16] He then fired a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[17] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which eventually malfunctioned.[17][18][19] Finally, he fired a .40-caliber Glock 22 Gen4 handgun.[20][21]
NO AR15

ORLANDO- YES AR15

PARKLAND- YES AR15

LAS VEGAS- A .38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 342 revolver. A .308-caliber Ruger American bolt-action rifle. Eight .308-caliber AR-10-type rifles. Two by FN Herstal, two by LWRC International, two by POF-USA, one with a .223 Wylde chamber by Christensen Arms, one made-to-order by LMT, and one by Noveske. Fourteen of the firearms were .223-caliber AR-15-type semi-automatic rifles: three manufactured by Colt, two by Daniel Defense.
Not all AR15s.

SANDY HOOK- Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle.
NO AR15.

WAFFLE HOUSE- YES AR15

SAN BERNADINO- 3 explosive devices. Two 9 mm caliber semi-automatic pistols. Two Remington .223-caliber semi-automatic rifles.
NO AR15.

COLORADO SPRINGS- SKS semi-automatic rifles.
NO AR15

SUTHERLAND- Ruger AR-556 semi-automatic rifle.
NO AR15.

So 5 in your list of 9, did not involve any AR15. AR15s were one of many weapons used in 1 of your list of 9. And 3 of the 9 used only AR15s.
All were in strict gun control areas. Nor were th... (show quote)




Well done Joy, but in my mind (could I be wrong) AR-15 has become journalese for any military style gun..
Why? Maybe the person typing does not know any better, or maybe they are not into proper nomenclature for weapons.. which seems strange for a reporter..

Or most likely, the person does not know the difference and wishes to make a point in the fewest words possable..



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Jun 6, 2019 18:11:54   #
Rose42
 
permafrost wrote:
Well done Joy, but in my mind (could I be wrong) AR-15 has become journalese for any military style gun..
Why? Maybe the person typing does not know any better, or maybe they are not into proper nomenclature for weapons.. which seems strange for a reporter..

Or most likely, the person does not know the difference and wishes to make a point in the fewest words possable..


They do it for effect. Its the same reason for just about any dog bite you will see a picture of a pit bull. Its because that's what grabs people's attention.

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Jun 6, 2019 18:19:01   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
One of your guns? Are any semiautomatic? So what non semiautomatic guns do you have?



OH GOLLY,,,, yes,, I have 2 civilian versions of AR-15... The Colt version is pretty well done..

A .22 Made by Marlin, 2 others which would be called varmint guns, one by Winchester and the other is savage..

I have 2 single shot .22, a single shot 16 gauge shotgun, a double 12 gauge , a bolt action 270, best rifle of the lot.. an old, mfg in the 1880s lever action, chambered as 32-40..

A couple more but no hand gun other then one I am storing for a good friend.. also several rifles for the same buddy..

few more also, 308,,,30 30,,, but that is good enough for a reply.



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Jun 6, 2019 18:23:59   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Rose42 wrote:
What you say about Reagan is true.

However, that meme by occupydemocrats is pretty silly.

The founders were brilliant men. Do gun grabbers honestly expect us to believe that with the foresight they showed in crafting the Constitution that none foresaw the development of guns that would hold more than one bullet?




Good question Rose, I have not given that any consideration..

Simply figured they did not.. I would like to hear from anyone who has a bit of information..

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Jun 6, 2019 18:48:27   #
Mikeyavelli
 
permafrost wrote:
I think this thread is way off subject, but that is norm..

I was once upon a time a very good shot.. so I understand you..

but I do not think this thread has anything to do with what you, me or the man next to us can do with a gun.

It seems to be about what a nut case see as exciting and a road to fame as they see it..

So they find the allure of military style arms to just as exciting as playground king of the hill games..

I will accept the reports as I read them and stand on as a fact that a few more magazine changes would possibly let a few more people survive a mass shooting..
I think this thread is way off subject, but that i... (show quote)


Ah, Zip the Wonder Monkey.

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Jun 6, 2019 18:52:16   #
Rose42
 
permafrost wrote:
Good question Rose, I have not given that any consideration..

Simply figured they did not.. I would like to hear from anyone who has a bit of information..


It would be interesting to go back in time and pick their brains.

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Jun 6, 2019 19:05:21   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Rose42 wrote:
It would be interesting to go back in time and pick their brains.




Indeed....

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Jun 6, 2019 19:36:40   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
Good question Rose, I have not given that any consideration..

Simply figured they did not.. I would like to hear from anyone who has a bit of information..


Multi-Shot Assault Weapons Of The 1700s And The 2nd Amendment

These Guns Dispel The Notion The Founding Fathers Could Never Have Imagined Modern Assault Rifles

Lewis and Clark’s Girandoni Air Rifle

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Jun 6, 2019 20:02:09   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 




These are neat information Blade.. thanks..

I have read about some of these before..


think my comment should have included "practical" when I said nothing worked until Gatling..

Saving your links, but most that I have seen used a movable mechanism or chambers. These had to be preloaded and then a team had to work the guns.

About 9 rounds a minute was a rate I have seen several times as the best result.

Also cumbersome and inaccurate.. But a number of things worked to keep them unsuccessful into the mid 1800s..

Anyway,, good stuff and I look for ward to reading them later..

Have a good one..

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Jun 6, 2019 20:18:51   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
These are neat information Blade.. thanks..

I have read about some of these before..


think my comment should have included "practical" when I said nothing worked until Gatling..

Saving your links, but most that I have seen used a movable mechanism or chambers. These had to be preloaded and then a team had to work the guns.

About 9 rounds a minute was a rate I have seen several times as the best result.

Also cumbersome and inaccurate.. But a number of things worked to keep them unsuccessful into the mid 1800s..

Anyway,, good stuff and I look for ward to reading them later..

Have a good one..
These are neat information Blade.. thanks.. br b... (show quote)
Did you know that Lewis and Clark lost only one a man during their expedition and that was due to a burst appendix. The Indians were very impressed with that Girandoni rifle, it shot 20 rounds without reload, it didn't blow smoke and it's bullets could penetrate a 1 inch pine board at 100 yards.

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