JoyV

JoyV

You are correct that a race car driven at on a public road in traffic is inherently more than a VW bug if both are driven by an average driver. But the same isn't true of a semiautomatic vs a shotgun in the hands of the average citizen. It is the shotgun which is inherently more dangerous in close quarters or crowded conditions. The very conditions which are likely to prevail in an active mass shooting situation. Not to mention, the vast majority of guns owned by citizens are semiautomatics. While it is the rare citizen who owns a race car.

So it is YOUR analogy which is the illogical one.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Perm, I don't have any reservations putting my shooting skills up against world class shooters.

Let me tell you of a little happening while visiting friends for dinner.

They have long road driving into their place..while sitting at the table, a unfamiliar van came bouncing up the drive.

I asked the lady of the house, do you know these people...she answered no.

Her husband was outside retrieving his briefcase from his vehicle, I stepped out and ducked behind a tree, the doors flew open on the van and a few men started piling out.

I peeked around the tree and asked them what they needed..one asshole said they were looking for a certain unknown person.

Just about then the owner was coming out of his briefcase with iron.

These guys were starting to spread out and with the firepower that I came out from behind the tree with, convinced these home invaders to quickly leave.

If it would have been a single shot 22 or a Bullbiden defensive ball point pen, maybe they would have challenged our resolve.

Obama believed in negotiating peace by backing in a bending over.

Ronald Reagan believed being well armed is the deterrent.

I choose Reagan's style.

bylm1-Bernie

Could you maybe point out where in the Constitution it specifies the number of allowable rounds a magazine may contain?

JoyV

1)How will they start to go down. They are not a throw away commodity with a capability for single or even a dozen uses. The number of guns at the time that US manufacturing ceased would remain for years after. And the US isn't the only place guns are or can be manufactured. Not to mention home made guns.

2)Only if they become scarce would the price go through the roof. As I stated in #1, that would not be the case if their manufacturing were stopped in the US. And even if semiautomatics became scarce for some unforeseen reason, why would a murderer cease to murder simply because he would have to use some other type of gun or some other tool?

3)Anyone who has ever served in our military has taken an oath to defend our constitution. The average soldier, sailor, marine, or other; take an oath VERY SERIOUS!!!! Also, all are taught that obeying an illegal order does not absolve them of guilt. In this case the guilt would be treason. So just because our military might be ordered to attacked civilians exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right, does not mean they would ignore their oath and commit treason because they were ordered to.

4)And that is why the constitutionalist, as well as conservative (even if they aren't both) will do all in our power to block any START to dismantling our constitution!

Semper Forte

Mikeyavelli

30 rounds to a marksman means 30 hits to the enemy. Don't worry, my .45 only holds eight rounds.
But I keep loaded clips. Less than a second to reload.

JoyV

Note that our founding fathers did not think that because a gun could be used for bad outcomes, they should limit their use under the law. Your argument is one that can be better used FOR our constitutionally guaranteed rights, not against them.

Mikeyavelli

But hey man, like, you know, everybody will be equal. No rich people, no corporations, man, like everybody will be free and happy. No wars man, like peace and love and equality all over the world. No countries and no religion, wow man, crazy good.

John King

Really?!? Do you know people in the sheriff's departments in rural areas? Are you a sheriff in these rural areas? What credentials of justification do you have to make such a comment?

JoyV

All were in strict gun control areas. Nor were they all with the AR15 despite your posted sign.

Several types of guns have been used in mass shootings in the United States. A 2014 study of 142 shootings by Dr. James Fox found 88 (62%) were committed with handguns of all types; 68 (48%) with semi-automatic handguns, 20 (14%) with revolvers), 35 (25%) with semi-automatic rifles, and 19 (13%) with shotguns. The study was conducted using the Mother Jones database of mass shootings from 1982–2018. High capacity magazines were used in approximately half of mass shootings. Semi-automatic rifles have been used in six of the ten deadliest mass shooting events.

AURORA- Holmes threw two canisters emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation.[16] He then fired a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[17] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which eventually malfunctioned.[17][18][19] Finally, he fired a .40-caliber Glock 22 Gen4 handgun.[20][21]
NO AR15

ORLANDO- YES AR15

PARKLAND- YES AR15

LAS VEGAS- A .38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 342 revolver. A .308-caliber Ruger American bolt-action rifle. Eight .308-caliber AR-10-type rifles. Two by FN Herstal, two by LWRC International, two by POF-USA, one with a .223 Wylde chamber by Christensen Arms, one made-to-order by LMT, and one by Noveske. Fourteen of the firearms were .223-caliber AR-15-type semi-automatic rifles: three manufactured by Colt, two by Daniel Defense.
Not all AR15s.

SANDY HOOK- Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle.
NO AR15.

WAFFLE HOUSE- YES AR15

SAN BERNADINO- 3 explosive devices. Two 9 mm caliber semi-automatic pistols. Two Remington .223-caliber semi-automatic rifles.
NO AR15.

COLORADO SPRINGS- SKS semi-automatic rifles.
NO AR15

SUTHERLAND- Ruger AR-556 semi-automatic rifle.
NO AR15.

So 5 in your list of 9, did not involve any AR15. AR15s were one of many weapons used in 1 of your list of 9. And 3 of the 9 used only AR15s.

JoyV

One of your guns? Are any semiautomatic? So what non semiautomatic guns do you have?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Whoa dude..bad ass!

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Woodford knows everything and once flew to the moon, just because he can.

JoyV

You realize that sheriff's offices in most rural areas rarely see "hard right wing supremacist nut jobs". In the rural areas of my state of AZ you are far more likely to come across Muslim variety terrorists. There have been several apprehended in my county who crossed from Mexico. I've not heard of any apprehensions of supremacists in my county. But the sheriffs are generally very welcoming of right wing armed citizens!!!! In fact, on multiple occasions I have had sheriff deputies or CBP agents who have come out to my place tell me I should not just rely on my German Shepherds but really should by a gun. Because of semi paralysis and episodic blindness connected to my seizures (now under control), I was reluctant to keep a gun.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2019/01/07/the-terror-threat-on-the-southern-border/

JoyV