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Jun 6, 2019 16:20:56   #
JoyV
 
JoyV wrote:
You are correct that a race car driven at on a public road in traffic is inherently more than a VW bug if both are driven by an average driver. But the same isn't true of a semiautomatic vs a shotgun in the hands of the average citizen. It is the shotgun which is inherently more dangerous in close quarters or crowded conditions. The very conditions which are likely to prevail in an active mass shooting situation. Not to mention, the vast majority of guns owned by citizens are semiautomatics. While it is the rare citizen who owns a race car.

So it is YOUR analogy which is the illogical one.
You are correct that a race car driven at on a pub... (show quote)


I skipped the word "speed". It should have read You are correct that a race car driven at speed on a public road in traffic ...

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Jun 6, 2019 16:34:00   #
woodguru
 
JoyV wrote:
And you base this on what? Is this a version of the argument that untrained armed citizens pose a threat in an emergency and will k**l or wound people accidentally? That argument is bogus. Do you know how many people have been harmed by untrained armed law abiding citizen bystanders? ZERO!!!!


Actually Treyvon would argue...

Had the little mexican cop wannabe Zimmerman not been armed Treyvon would not have gotten shot, had our little over aggressive fool simply followed the police dispatcher's orders and not followed him as he was instructed to wait for police like he was told to do, there would have been no altercation.

I would say someone who can't follow simple instructions like we are on it, cops on the way, they will handle it, do not follow, is not qualified to be carrying a firearm.

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Jun 6, 2019 16:47:33   #
Mikeyavelli
 
JoyV wrote:
You realize that sheriff's offices in most rural areas rarely see "hard right wing s*********t nut jobs". In the rural areas of my state of AZ you are far more likely to come across Muslim variety terrorists. There have been several apprehended in my county who crossed from Mexico. I've not heard of any apprehensions of s*********ts in my county. But the sheriffs are generally very welcoming of right wing armed citizens!!!! In fact, on multiple occasions I have had sheriff deputies or CBP agents who have come out to my place tell me I should not just rely on my German Shepherds but really should by a gun. Because of semi paralysis and episodic blindness connected to my seizures (now under control), I was reluctant to keep a gun.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2019/01/07/the-terror-threat-on-the-southern-border/
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Back from the Sheriff's office where they helped me through the process of my CCW renewal. They couldn't have been nicer or more helpful in speeding it through the process. What normally could take 45 days, mine will be ready tomorrow.

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Jun 6, 2019 16:50:30   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Back from the Sheriff's office where they helped me through the process of my CCW renewal. They couldn't have been nicer or more helpful in speeding it through the process. What normally could take 45 days, mine will be ready tomorrow.


The vest and checkered table cloth were the key.

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Jun 6, 2019 16:52:23   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually Treyvon would argue...

Had the little mexican cop wannabe Zimmerman not been armed Treyvon would not have gotten shot, had our little over aggressive fool simply followed the police dispatcher's orders and not followed him as he was instructed to wait for police like he was told to do, there would have been no altercation.

I would say someone who can't follow simple instructions like we are on it, cops on the way, they will handle it, do not follow, is not qualified to be carrying a firearm.
Actually Treyvon would argue... br br Had the lit... (show quote)
Actually, Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle when Martin viciously attacked him. Zimmerman was down, Martin on top of him beating his head against the sidewalk, broke his nose and split open his scalp. Who ya gonna call? How about a 9mm Kel-Tec PF-9 pistol?

The pathologist agreed with Zimmerman's account of the beating.

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Jun 6, 2019 16:53:30   #
woodguru
 
John King wrote:
Really?!? Do you know people in the sheriff's departments in rural areas? Are you a sheriff in these rural areas? What credentials of justification do you have to make such a comment?


More contacts and friends than you'll know...we have no muslim types in this redneck county, what we do have is a substantial presence of skinheads and s*********t types. As discussed with my sheriff and ATF friends, there is a high level computer and electronics theft ring in this county, and funds derived from an organized presence gets funneled to interesting organized elements.

No cop or sheriff doesn't know what it feels like to have his nuts tighten up when stopping a heavily tattooed skinhead type, often they will sit and wait for backup. These people can be dangerous, and have attitudes that they will not go back to jail. These are bad asses and as a cop if you aren't afraid of them you are stupid and have no survival sk**ls.

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Jun 6, 2019 16:57:48   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Back from the Sheriff's office where they helped me through the process of my CCW renewal. They couldn't have been nicer or more helpful in speeding it through the process. What normally could take 45 days, mine will be ready tomorrow.
Couple months ago I asked the Sheriff's deputy who ran the CCW courses here why they had discontinued them. He said we really don't need them since open carry is perfectly legal. Just gotta use common sense when packing.

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Jun 6, 2019 17:00:21   #
Mikeyavelli
 
byronglimish wrote:
The vest and checkered table cloth were the key.


They knew that I had the safety turned on the Allah boom boom vest.

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Jun 6, 2019 17:05:29   #
woodguru
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Actually, Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle when Martin viciously attacked him. Zimmerman was down, Martin on top of him beating his head against the sidewalk, broke his nose and split open his scalp. Who ya gonna call? How about a 9mm Kel-Tec PF-9 pistol?

The pathologist agreed with Zimmerman's account of the beating.


Here is an example of the facts being distorted to a degree that rendition has no resemblance to what happened.

Pull up transcripts of the 911 call by Zimmerman, before there was any contact he had been told not to follow, to keep his distance, not to worry about him getting away, police would handle it.

Obviously Zimmerman did not take those instructions, he continued to follow and approached Treyvon in order to hold him for the police.

And Zimmerman may have been on the losing end of a fight, interesting considering he was known to be a fight contestant. But had he listened to dispatch and stayed away this did not need to happen.

It's hard to have a dialog with people when there are two versions of the t***h, it isn't that hard to break it down, and the 911 call does it. Zimmerman refused to back off and leave Treyvon alone, and as it turned out his dad lived in the neighborhood, he had every right to be there.

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Jun 6, 2019 17:06:39   #
woodguru
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Couple months ago I asked the Sheriff's deputy who ran the CCW courses here why they had discontinued them. He said we really don't need them since open carry is perfectly legal. Just gotta use common sense when packing.


Open is legal, is concealed?

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Jun 6, 2019 17:16:09   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
They knew that I had the safety turned on the Allah boom boom vest.


Safety first..always.

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Jun 6, 2019 17:22:40   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
byronglimish wrote:
Perm, I don't have any reservations putting my shooting sk**ls up against world class shooters.

Let me tell you of a little happening while visiting friends for dinner.

They have long road driving into their place..while sitting at the table, a unfamiliar van came bouncing up the drive.

I asked the lady of the house, do you know these people...she answered no.

Her husband was outside retrieving his briefcase from his vehicle, I stepped out and ducked behind a tree, the doors flew open on the van and a few men started piling out.

I peeked around the tree and asked them what they needed..one asshole said they were looking for a certain unknown person.

Just about then the owner was coming out of his briefcase with iron.

These guys were starting to spread out and with the firepower that I came out from behind the tree with, convinced these home invaders to quickly leave.

If it would have been a single shot 22 or a Bullbiden defensive ball point pen, maybe they would have challenged our resolve.

Obama believed in negotiating peace by backing in a bending over.

Ronald Reagan believed being well armed is the deterrent.

I choose Reagan's style.
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I am glad you saved your friends butt.. good job..

If I lived in an area that I had that problem, I would move.

Reagan let over 250 US Marines be blown up in the barracks and then took our armed forces home without any action at all.

He also did nothing for a CIA head who was kidnapped, tortured for 18 months, reveled all the field agent s and every secret he held.. Ronnie did nothing.. It ended the CIA effectiveness for years..

He watch a video the terrorists sent him of h*****g a former US general who was involved in our intelligence in the ME.. did nothing came home..

So do not be duped into using that man as a model for a "strong stand"!!!

He spent the money for the war industry, then did nothing at all when force was needed..



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Jun 6, 2019 17:26:37   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Here is an example of the facts being distorted to a degree that rendition has no resemblance to what happened.

Pull up transcripts of the 911 call by Zimmerman, before there was any contact he had been told not to follow, to keep his distance, not to worry about him getting away, police would handle it.

Obviously Zimmerman did not take those instructions, he continued to follow and approached Treyvon in order to hold him for the police.

And Zimmerman may have been on the losing end of a fight, interesting considering he was known to be a fight contestant. But had he listened to dispatch and stayed away this did not need to happen.

It's hard to have a dialog with people when there are two versions of the t***h, it isn't that hard to break it down, and the 911 call does it. Zimmerman refused to back off and leave Treyvon alone, and as it turned out his dad lived in the neighborhood, he had every right to be there.
Here is an example of the facts being distorted to... (show quote)
Autopsy found drugs in Martin's system.

No matter how it went down, you prefer to defend a violent druggie who ran a fight club rather than a legally armed citizen concerned about the safety in his neighborhood. Speaks volumes about your priorities.

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Jun 6, 2019 17:29:45   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Open is legal, is concealed?
Yeah. Lots of people carry knives in their pockets, why not a gun? What's the BFD?

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Jun 6, 2019 17:33:04   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
PeterS wrote:
Once again we had another mass shooting involving a semi-automatic weapon. So what's the solution? Well, we can start by banning the weapon of choice--the semi-automatic weapon. Do that, and we at least give people a chance. And notice, I am not saying ban all guns just the ones responsible for all the mass slayings. This leaves bolt actions, pumps, and revolvers to satisfy our second amendment requirement--all of which are better than when the second amendment was written.

This leaves the question of how we enforce such a law and as I stated before--a fine of 10,000 and a couple of years in jail will lend to them being turned in in droves. Of course, the most radical right wing nuts will hold out but there is no argument that outweighs the common good of our country and that's what it comes down to...the common good.
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"Common good" is a subjective term. I am sure social conservatives see a different idea of "common good" than liberal progressives. The one thing that outweighs the "common good" is individual constitutional rights and freedom. In America, in the constitution, individual rights use to outweigh the collective. Both liberal progressives and social conservatives are trying to reverse that.

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