A sincere question to believers in a creator God…
May 27, 2019 10:51:29 #
JW wrote:
It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?
So true, why does plant life need what animal life exhales and visa versa, why is the Earth not too close or too far from the sun, why is there males and females? Answer..... A Designer!!!
May 27, 2019 11:48:58 #
As usual. BladeRunner, you spout glib nonsense [
quote=Blade_Runner]They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and his wonders in the deep.
Psalm 107: 23-24
As magnificent as God's physical creation is, as much as we enjoy it, and as often as we thank Him for it, the greatest evidence is in our transcendent and personal relationship with Him. This is what He wants.
When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Psalm 8: 3-5
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17: 24-28[/quote]
quote=Blade_Runner]They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and his wonders in the deep.
Psalm 107: 23-24
As magnificent as God's physical creation is, as much as we enjoy it, and as often as we thank Him for it, the greatest evidence is in our transcendent and personal relationship with Him. This is what He wants.
When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Psalm 8: 3-5
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17: 24-28[/quote]
May 27, 2019 12:10:58 #
Because Israel is God's bellwether, closely following everything that happens in Israel is a given for all Christian Bible believers.
The Bible has nearly 800 references to Jerusalem- called “the City of our God” (Psalm 48:1,8) Jerusalem is God’s city, the city of Zion, he has invested his name there (Daniel 9:19).
Jerusalem is called the city of the great King (Matt.5:35). Yahweh is called “the God of Israel,” He is NOT called the God of any other nation in this manner, The God of Jerusalem is key to the Jewish people, to Jesus and to the end of the age.
Psalm 87:5, Ps 149:2: (Song 3:11 Isa. 33:14, Isa. 33:20; Jer. 9:19, Jer. 30:17; Zech.9:13; Isa. 59:20, Isa. 60:14 and they shall call you The City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel).
The evidence of the creator uniquely affiliated with Israel is Abraham (who was Chaldean) was brought out of his country (Ur). The covenant God made with Abraham was about the land and the people. Speaking to Abraham Gen. 12:1-3: “Now the LORD had said to Abram: “Get out of your country, from your family and from your father's house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Notice that is God that will do these things, it is an unconditional covenant, it does not depend on man but God. He will give them the land and make a great nation from Abraham. And indeed all the families of earth have been blessed, as the Messiah- Jesus, came through Abrahams lineage, born in the land God gave to Israel (Gal. 3:14-16).
He gave them the land of Canaan “from the river of Egypt unto...the river Euphrates” (Gen. 15:18) God has declared that the land of Israel was His land never to be sold (Lev. 25:23) and that all nations would be punished for dividing His land (Joel 3:2). The tribulation period is about this punishment for disobeying what God has spoken.
Deut. 32:9-10: “For the LORD'S portion is His people; Jacob is the place of His inheritance. "He found him in a desert land and in the wasteland, a howling wilderness; he encircled him, He instructed him, he kept him as the apple of His eye." You don't want to poke what God has his eye focused on.
Zion is called the city of God. Isa 60:14: “and they shall call you The City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.” It is where the Lord has and will dwell again. Joel 3:21: “for the LORD dwells in Zion.” When the temple permanently replaced the tabernacle and was built in Jerusalem it became the place of his dwelling, his presence was there, thus name Zion.
Psalm 132:13-14: “For the LORD has chosen Zion; he has desired it for His dwelling place: “This is My resting place forever; here I will dwell, for I have desired it.” Ps. 87:1-3: “His foundation is in the holy mountains. The LORD loves the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are spoken of you, O city of God! Selah”
Psalm 147:12: “Praise the LORD, O Jerusalem! Praise your God, O Zion! (2 Kings 19:21,31 1 Chro.11:5; Ps.20:2, Ps. 48:11, Ps.65:1; ps.78:68, Ps.84:7; Ps. 87:5, Ps 146:10; Isa.33:5, Isa.52:7; Jer. 8:19 Jeremiah, Lamentations, Joel, Amos, Obadiah; Micah, Zechariah all speak of this.
Matt 2:1-2: The wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him." Why Jerusalem because they knew the king is to eventually rule from that city.
The Bible has nearly 800 references to Jerusalem- called “the City of our God” (Psalm 48:1,8) Jerusalem is God’s city, the city of Zion, he has invested his name there (Daniel 9:19).
Jerusalem is called the city of the great King (Matt.5:35). Yahweh is called “the God of Israel,” He is NOT called the God of any other nation in this manner, The God of Jerusalem is key to the Jewish people, to Jesus and to the end of the age.
Psalm 87:5, Ps 149:2: (Song 3:11 Isa. 33:14, Isa. 33:20; Jer. 9:19, Jer. 30:17; Zech.9:13; Isa. 59:20, Isa. 60:14 and they shall call you The City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel).
The evidence of the creator uniquely affiliated with Israel is Abraham (who was Chaldean) was brought out of his country (Ur). The covenant God made with Abraham was about the land and the people. Speaking to Abraham Gen. 12:1-3: “Now the LORD had said to Abram: “Get out of your country, from your family and from your father's house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Notice that is God that will do these things, it is an unconditional covenant, it does not depend on man but God. He will give them the land and make a great nation from Abraham. And indeed all the families of earth have been blessed, as the Messiah- Jesus, came through Abrahams lineage, born in the land God gave to Israel (Gal. 3:14-16).
He gave them the land of Canaan “from the river of Egypt unto...the river Euphrates” (Gen. 15:18) God has declared that the land of Israel was His land never to be sold (Lev. 25:23) and that all nations would be punished for dividing His land (Joel 3:2). The tribulation period is about this punishment for disobeying what God has spoken.
Deut. 32:9-10: “For the LORD'S portion is His people; Jacob is the place of His inheritance. "He found him in a desert land and in the wasteland, a howling wilderness; he encircled him, He instructed him, he kept him as the apple of His eye." You don't want to poke what God has his eye focused on.
Zion is called the city of God. Isa 60:14: “and they shall call you The City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.” It is where the Lord has and will dwell again. Joel 3:21: “for the LORD dwells in Zion.” When the temple permanently replaced the tabernacle and was built in Jerusalem it became the place of his dwelling, his presence was there, thus name Zion.
Psalm 132:13-14: “For the LORD has chosen Zion; he has desired it for His dwelling place: “This is My resting place forever; here I will dwell, for I have desired it.” Ps. 87:1-3: “His foundation is in the holy mountains. The LORD loves the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are spoken of you, O city of God! Selah”
Psalm 147:12: “Praise the LORD, O Jerusalem! Praise your God, O Zion! (2 Kings 19:21,31 1 Chro.11:5; Ps.20:2, Ps. 48:11, Ps.65:1; ps.78:68, Ps.84:7; Ps. 87:5, Ps 146:10; Isa.33:5, Isa.52:7; Jer. 8:19 Jeremiah, Lamentations, Joel, Amos, Obadiah; Micah, Zechariah all speak of this.
Matt 2:1-2: The wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him." Why Jerusalem because they knew the king is to eventually rule from that city.
Richard Rowland wrote:
Just my opinion. I find it strange that he pops up every time Israel is the topic. Therefore the troll comment. And, having read most of his posts, here again, my opinion, but I've sensed a difference in the style when he posts his own stuff as opposed to what's provided.
However, often credit will be given to the actual writer of the piece he posted. Still, I suspect not always. My intuitions have usually served me well.
However, often credit will be given to the actual writer of the piece he posted. Still, I suspect not always. My intuitions have usually served me well.
May 27, 2019 12:36:23 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You are perceiving God as an opponent or controller...
He is in fact a Judge and Teacher...
He is aware of the options and outcomes open to you... Your choices are your own...
There is no conflict between free will and God's ability to perceive all...
Disclaimer: These are my personal understandings and not meant to represent the understandings of others...
He is in fact a Judge and Teacher...
He is aware of the options and outcomes open to you... Your choices are your own...
There is no conflict between free will and God's ability to perceive all...
Disclaimer: These are my personal understandings and not meant to represent the understandings of others...
I am curious as to why so many people seem to think you are either Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Atheist.
May 27, 2019 14:27:59 #
JW wrote:
It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?
Are you sure your question is sincere?
May 27, 2019 16:01:23 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Last I heard, the supernatural is outside the realm of physical cause.Athiesm doesn't deny anything outside the realm of physical cause...That assertion is ridiculous... Athiesm merely denies the supernatural... Which is to say that all causes have a natural and logical reason...
In any case, that is a direct quote from one of the most respected and world famous Christian theologians in recent history, if you feel the need to better him, go for it.
I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.
“A man can no more diminish God’s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word ‘darkness’ on the walls of his cell.”
“It is absurd for the Evolutionist to complain that it is unthinkable for an admittedly unthinkable God to make everything out of nothing, and then pretend that it is more thinkable that nothing should turn itself into everything.”
May 27, 2019 16:03:12 #
Kazudy wrote:
So true, why does plant life need what animal life exhales and visa versa, why is the Earth not too close or too far from the sun, why is there males and females? Answer..... A Designer!!!
It is truly a remarkable system.
May 27, 2019 16:17:19 #
Richard Rowland wrote:
Ole Blade is a troll, most of what he submits is provided by his handlers. He has no concept of much of what he posts.
May 27, 2019 16:58:02 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Last I heard, the supernatural is outside the real... (show quote)
Five hundred years ago, a lot of what we know is natural was labeled as "supernatural" because it was not understood. I wonder how much of what religionists believe is supernatural and atheists believe is sheer chance is caused by a designer that is part of the natural order, just not the natural order as we understand it currently?
May 27, 2019 18:02:50 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Last I heard, the supernatural is outside the realm of physical cause.
Only Until the cause is found
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In any case, that is a direct quote from one of the most respected and world famous Christian theologians in recent history, if you feel the need to better him, go for it.
Why would I feel the need to better him?
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I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.
Yet religion is the drug of choice for so many...
I am sure you are familiar with those who use Church as a dayclub...
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“A man can no more diminish God’s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word ‘darkness’ on the walls of his cell.”
Correct....
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“It is absurd for the Evolutionist to complain that it is unthinkable for an admittedly unthinkable God to make everything out of nothing, and then pretend that it is more thinkable that nothing should turn itself into everything.”[/i]
Once again... Evolution does not deal with the creation of the universe or life... Merely the mechanisms that allow life to alter and diversify...
I expect better from "one of the most respected and world famous Christian theologians in recent history"...
May 27, 2019 18:03:18 #
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Five hundred years ago, a lot of what we know is natural was labeled as "supernatural" because it was not understood. I wonder how much of what religionists believe is supernatural and atheists believe is sheer chance is caused by a designer that is part of the natural order, just not the natural order as we understand it currently?
May 27, 2019 20:31:51 #
JW wrote:
It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?
You seem to be a believer in a creator God! You make the point that all of creation declares there is a God . . . yet you ask what more do we need to believe there is a God?!?
You aren't making it clear to us what you are asking about. What is the "more" you are referencing? Be direct and concise in telling us what you are asking about . . . because it is not very clear at all!!!
May 27, 2019 22:22:33 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
i They that go down to the sea in ships, that do ... (show quote)
Amen... One need only look in the mirror to discover proof of a designer. If you take time to ponder the different capabilities of the human body, take into consideration that you are you, that you exist out of all the wiggly sperm cells that could have been someone else. You are unique no one has your exact fingerprint, no one has your exact DNA. The most notable and highly, highly educated scientist are just now learning how to make living cells in a test tube should prove that a metaphysical intelligent being had to have not only the purpose but the power and ability to set life in motion. There is no argument between science and God, the argument lies between SCIENTIST and God.
May 27, 2019 22:31:17 #
May 27, 2019 22:32:21 #
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