A sincere question to believers in a creator God…
May 26, 2019 15:24:14 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atheists who believe God is responsible for all th... (show quote)
Yes you are correct.... thank you for the reminder!!
May 26, 2019 18:50:06 #
May 26, 2019 20:46:46 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Though he denies the existence of anything outside the world of physical cause and effect, the atheist depends upon a process of reasoning that cannot exist inside it. Since proving something requires reason and logic, the atheist must depend on a principle which he denies in order to make his point.
Athiesm doesn't deny anything outside the realm of physical cause...That assertion is ridiculous... Athiesm merely denies the supernatural... Which is to say that all causes have a natural and logical reason...
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Thus atheism is irrational.
False conclusion based on a false premise...
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The implications of this idea for questions of morality and ethics are profound indeed. Though most people would agree that you should refrain from murdering your father, for example, the atheist cannot explain where this rule comes from, or why it should be obeyed.[/i]
Of course they can...
Murder is disruptive towards society and as a natural mechanism for cooperation murder has been deemed wrong... (this is one example...)
May 26, 2019 20:54:03 #
PeterS wrote:
Put the blame where it belongs? When a baby is born with a hole in its heart it's your argument that it's the baby's fault? Or maybe it's the mother's fault or in desperation, I guess we can blame the father? Why is it you cons think your god is blameless? I mean your argument is that he created life and all the ailments that take life are very much a part of creation. When we look at a hole in a heart it's a defect in the DNA and didn't god create DNA?
Life is opportunity... Not fairness or e******y...
The environment which we are born into (reality) is hazardous to life...
Perhaps you would prefer a reality where such hazards do not exist? Yet how would we learn?
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And since God is all knowing and all powerful with the ability to prophesize wouldn't that mean he can see into the future so would know if a baby was to be born with a hole in its heart before it was even born? Since God created it anyway wouldn't that make him responsible for the defective heart?
God is not responsible for each individual person... Only for our souls... Life is an act of creation that He has left in our hands...
How/ when/ where/ why we create life is a responsibility that far too many of us take for granted....
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As for free will. Suppose you were playing tic tac toe with a player who knew every move before you even made it. Yes, you could choose what move you are going to make but since your opponent would know your next move would your free will even matter?
You are perceiving God as an opponent or controller...
He is in fact a Judge and Teacher...
He is aware of the options and outcomes open to you... Your choices are your own...
There is no conflict between free will and God's ability to perceive all...
Disclaimer: These are my personal understandings and not meant to represent the understandings of others...
May 26, 2019 20:54:09 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atheists who believe God is responsible for all th... (show quote)
Good post. Atheists can’t explain why anything is wrong.
May 27, 2019 00:46:28 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atheists who believe God is responsible for all th... (show quote)
I love that reasoning. If you want to claim anything about God, you have to be a believer first?
You cannot prove/disprove anything from outside of the bounds of an argument. Any atheist choosing to debate God issues must start with the assumption, God exists. Any believer choosing to debate science must start by assuming all science is as real as is their vision of god. From that point both can go about trying to prove the other illogical, or self-contradictory, or just simply wrong.
With regard to your "k*****g your father" remark; I have noticed that you regularly make claims that have no basis in fact. I do not think you are deliberately lying so you must believe the things you say. You do a great disservice to your side of the argument when you display that kind of ignorance.
The prohibition against patricide, matricide, fratricide and sororicide is the oldest social mandate in Earthly experience. It is shared by all higher mammals. It happens in all our various species but is rare. The familial bond is the source of family survival. Destroying that bond is a real assurance of death in the wild.
May 27, 2019 04:42:44 #
Without the Garden of Eden, and the acquisition of the knowledge of "good and evil," there is no way "wrong" would even compute.
There would have been no standards by which to construct society, but only anarchy would reign.
There would have been no standards by which to construct society, but only anarchy would reign.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Of course they can...
Murder is disruptive towards society and as a natural mechanism for cooperation murder has been deemed wrong... (this is one example...)
Murder is disruptive towards society and as a natural mechanism for cooperation murder has been deemed wrong... (this is one example...)
May 27, 2019 05:28:15 #
JW wrote:
I love that reasoning. If you want to claim anythi... (show quote)
Ole Blade is a troll, most of what he submits is provided by his handlers. He has no concept of much of what he posts.
May 27, 2019 05:41:17 #
On what do you base that arcane comment? Do you have actual knowledge?
Richard Rowland wrote:
Ole Blade is a troll, most of what he submits is provided by his handlers. He has no concept of much of what he posts.
May 27, 2019 06:19:39 #
Zemirah wrote:
On what do you base that arcane comment? Do you have actual knowledge?
Just my opinion. I find it strange that he pops up every time Israel is the topic. Therefore the troll comment. And, having read most of his posts, here again, my opinion, but I've sensed a difference in the style when he posts his own stuff as opposed to what's provided.
However, often credit will be given to the actual writer of the piece he posted. Still, I suspect not always. My intuitions have usually served me well.
May 27, 2019 06:28:13 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
i They that go down to the sea in ships, that do ... (show quote)
Amen, and amen!
May 27, 2019 06:35:26 #
Zemirah wrote:
I need no external evidence, for did not Jesus say... (show quote)
Amen, so amazing that what is happening now in the world was predicted over 2000 years ago, and God's word is true. We are seeing the times played out just like he said it would. Next on the timeline is the rapture of the church. I can't believe how bad we have become, with the baby murdering, gay lifestyle, children k*****g parents, all the Muslim's k*****g Christians all over the world. It just goes on and on. Like in the days of Lot, and Noah. Time to go home, come quickly Lord Jesus!
May 27, 2019 08:57:39 #
God gifted people with healing ! Doctors are here for a reason, the rest is faith! Something u don’t have Kevin! U are a sad person, may God touch your cold and hardened heart!
May 27, 2019 09:06:36 #
bggamers
Loc: georgia
For most of man's ills, man is to blame look to your food with GMO's or cows milk that is full of hormones and drugs to keep the cows healthy but causes serious problems to the people who drink the milk or eat the meat. Look to the companies that dump toxic waste in the ground and then build a house on it. Oh while your at it look at your nuclear plant and then look at the one in Japan that got wasted and is dumping toxic waste into our seas which will destroy our oceans and sea life. why because there was nobody wanting to know or care about the consequences of what if. They just go ahead and do it without a care about what might happen if! what do we do with toxic wast what happens to people when they have to many antibiotics in their system. WHAT IF should always be a high priority with any project if there are no good answers perhaps one should not do it !!!
May 27, 2019 09:19:57 #
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