Zemirah wrote:
TomRadd, regarding your disparagement of Proverbs 10:19, you are mocking God.
In the scripture verse you find inadequate, as you well know, God does not specify a specific number.
The exercise of common sense is required, something with which you have clearly demonstrated, you have no acquaintance.
It appears to me, you are projecting your sins on me, again.
In your interpretation of this sole passage, (which you somehow thinks adds to your credibility by quoting it from a number of different translations, as if that multiplies its importance),
if your limited interpretation is true, then it condemns as sinful every non-biblical book ever written that is over some 10-12 pages in length.
The only qualifications you can provide, are those provided by your private interpretations according to your whim based on what you think is right or wrong.
And you say I have no common sense. But it gets worse. I gave you an opportunity to quote scripture that specified a number; and of course that is because we both know it isn’t there.
What is there is only your private interpretation. And then, in your world where you are the judge of all things biblically commanded, that private interpretation only applies to yours truly.
The Bible calls this “respect of persons” and it is a grievous sin against the second commandment!
“8However, if you fulfill the royal law, according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well. 9
But if you show partiality, you commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors. 10For whoever keeps the whole law, and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.” James 2:8-10
So, in order to defend yourself against my words, you have resorted to committing the sin of respect of persons.
Do you still want to hold this as your best defense and accusation against me?
How is it not respect of persons? Do you hold your own treasured writers, who agree with your doctrine, to this same standard you are holding me to? Of course not. We have evidence in how a certain conversation went where you proved that you have respect of persons according to your own subjectivity:
May 11, 2019 16:34:11 #
Zemirah wrote: “He (Jon Gill) was a profound scholar and a
prolific author (ie writer of lots of words).”
TommyRadd wrote:
“Well then, in your estimation and interpretation, he must have been a much bigger sinner than you accuse me of being!”
Zemirah wrote: “I see no comparison. He was the author of well researched, well documented, Academic, Theology books. You, sir, are no John Gill.”
What is the difference? Remember, the contention against me comes down to one thing: the quantity of words. I too have written well researched, well documented material, the only problem is, you don’t agree with it and won’t take the time to verify if I’ve misquoted anythying.
It is written:
“Differing weights
and differing measures, both of them alike
are an abomination to Yahweh.” Proverbs 20:10
Why is it
you have to resort to what God calls an abomination (diverse measures between Mr. Gill and I) and what
James calls committing a sin (the respect of Jon Gill’s person but not mine) in order to apply one sole scripture that you can use against my writings?
If that isn’t true, show me where you have, in the past, or those of your fellowship have in the past, applied the “oh you write too many words” accusation when they were writing in favor of and in defense of your beliefs?
It is written again:
“22You shall have
one kind of law, for the foreigner as well as the native-born: for I am Yahweh your God.” Exodus 24:22
“But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you” Matthew 5:44
If I am your enemy, why do you not do good to me as Jesus commands? Why do you have one law for those of your fellowship and like-minded believers but a different law for those who are without your fellowship?
Once again, you need to repent and you owe me an apology.
If Proverbs 10:19 applies to me, according to your limited, private interpretation, how come you can’t demonstrate through scriptural quotes any other of the sins I’ve committed in my much writing, as I’m able to do against your writings? I’ve got news for you, writing against your traditions of men isn’t a sin, it is exemplified by Jesus in Mark 7 and Matthew 15, as I’ve quoted for you several times already, but you make a mockery of Jesus’ words.
If Proverbs 10:19 doesn’t actually instead apply to you, (in making up stuff about me and accusing me of nothing more than contending against your ideology), how is it every time you write you add to the sins you’ve already committed against me?
I tried to warn you before. Was that unloving of me?
Jesus said, “As many as I love, I reprove and chasten. Be zealous therefore, and repent.” Rev. 3:19
Was Jesus being unloving to the Pharisees when he rebuked them?
“You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.” Lev. 19:17
Was Moses in error for believing rebuking a neighbor who is in sin was the opposite of hating him? Ever hear the saying, “friends don’t let friends drive drunk.” Would I be respecting you if I let you get in a driver’s seat, drunk? So which is unloving, withholding correction or taking the time to give correction?
Or the apostle Paul, was he unloving of Peter, his peer, when he had to rebuke him? “But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.” Gal. 2:11
I’ve rebuked you with the first commandment as quoted by Jesus many times, have you taken head?
“Don't reprove a scoffer, lest he hate you.
Reprove a wise man, and he will love you.” Proverbs 9:8
Where do you fit in this Proverb, the first part or the second? I bring to you scriptures, and all you and your peers have brought me are false and railing accusations which are also forbidden by scripture! Even angels aren’t that arrogant as you are (Jude 1:9)!
I have respectfully taken the time to show you, and in my estimation very briefly because there’s a whole lot more info where that come from, where the Trinity originated and how it came into nominal Christianity.
How is that in itself being disrespectful other than that you have not been taught it that way and you have traditions of men that make the word of God of no effect?
It is written again:
“Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1
Are you telling me that you are above being tempted by false teachers? That there is no way you were, or even could have been, converted by men of corrupt minds, destitute of the truth?
“
No temptation has taken you except what is common to man. God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.” 1 Cor. 10:13.
Even Matthew 7:13 speaks against you:
“13Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. 14How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it.” Matthew 7:13-14
How is it that verse doesn’t give you pause?
What if, and here’s what I am trying to tell you, you have been deceived after the same example of the devil in the garden? Are you so spiritual that you are above being tempted? Even Jesus was tempted.
“3But I am afraid that somehow,
as the serpent deceived Eve in his craftiness, so your minds might be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:3.
What is the simplicity of Christ? Is it the complexity of the compound unity of the Trinity, that no Jew would have even been aware of, because it’s words and expression were hammered out in church councils, presided over by pagan emperors, hundreds of years after the apostles?
What signs did the apostles leave us to know who were being beguiled and who were not? The passage in 2 Corinthians goes on to say:
4For if he who comes
preaches {openly proclaims} another Jesus, whom we did not preach {openly proclaim}, or if you receive a different spirit, which you did not receive, or a different "good news", which you did not accept, you put up with that well enough.” 2 Corinthians 11:4.
Okay, there’s a qualifier for us.
The deceivers will be the ones who preach a different Jesus than the apostles openly proclaimed. From that, can you really not see why it is so critical to stick with the Jesus the apostles preached?
He said in another place:
“7and there isn't another "good news." Only there are some who trouble you, and want to pervert the Good News of Christ. 8But
even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any "good news" other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed. 9As we have said before, so I now say again: if any man preaches to you any "good news" other than that which you received, let him be cursed. 10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? For if I were still pleasing men, I wouldn't be a servant of Christ.” Gal. 1:7-10.
That’s pretty clear, isn’t it? It’s also extremely condemnatory.
Wouldn’t I be wrong in not pointing that to where it applies according to what it specifically and clearly says? Where did the apostles preach (openly proclaim) a “Trinity of persons in one essence in the godhead”? In light of Galatians 1:7-10 and 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, how is that not an extremely pertinent question? How would this not be a valid inquiry against the Trinity if it was added hundreds of years after the apostles?
Am I being unloving to you, or respectful to you, to point out what the Bible actually says? Or are you going to continue to contend, like cultists do, and you do after their works, that just questioning your sacred doctrine is in itself a sin? How can it be when all these verses say to try the spirits against what the Bible actually says?
It is written again:
“7For the overseer must be blameless... 9
holding to the faithful word which is according to the teaching, that he may be able to exhort in the sound doctrine, and to convict those who contradict him.
“1I command you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his Kingdom: 2
preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching. 3For the time will come when they will not listen to the sound doctrine, but, having itching ears, will heap up for themselves teachers after their own lusts;” 2 Timothy 4:1-3
“So then, have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?” Galatians 4:16