Zemirah wrote:
Tom Raddatz, This entire elaborate, multi-worded hoax you are trying to foist upon others is based upon your blind acceptance of the English wording, as if it were the language of the original text, which it was not, having not even been in existence at the time the Bible was written down.
...So says the person who rejects Jesus’ qualifications of the very first commandment in order to negate its original, Jewish meaning and understanding in order to impose what was originally an antichristian view.
As I’ve quoted for you many times:
Jesus said.... “You worship what you do not know;
We know what we worship for salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22).
“This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” John 17:3
“I am ascending to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God” John 20:17
“yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.” 1 Cor. 8:6
I am merely reiterating what Jesus said and the Bible actually states and explains throughout. You, on the other hand, are putting your own private interpretations, and those whom agree like you, over Jesus and more authoritative than Jesus’ own qualifications of the first commandment.
Furthermore, many times in this thread I have pointed to the parsing of the original languages as study aids. For example:
quote: “..."Which commandment is the greatest of all?" 29Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: 30you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment... 32The scribe said to him, "Truly, teacher, you have said well that he [first person singular present indicative] is one
{“a cardinal numeral, one. Used: 1. universally, a. in opposed to many” –Thayer’s Greek Lexicon}, and there is none other but he
{Genitive Masculine 3rd Person Singular}, 33and to love him
{Accusative Masculine 3rd Person Singular} with all the heart, and with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more important than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." 34When Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the Kingdom of God." No one dared ask him any question after that.” Mark 12:28-34” TommyRadd May 19, 2019 19:37:43
Quote= “You heard how I told you, 'I go away, and I come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I
{“Strong's Greek 1473: I, the first-person pronoun. A primary pronoun of the first person I.”}.” John 14:28 TommyRadd May 21, 2019 04:40:34
quote= “In passages like this in Deut, we see that God was spoken of in terms of personality. In that it uses undeniable third person masculine singular pronouns when clearly and obviously speaking of God.” TommyRadd May 13, 2019 09:36:49
Once again, you have resorted to false accusations in order to defend your extrabiblical and contrabiblical doctrine.
Zemirah wrote:
You have been shown repeatedly that the nouns which refer to God in the original Hebrew are plural, accompanied by a verb of singularity.
It is written again:
Jesus said.... “You worship what you do not know;
We know what we worship for salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22).
“This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” John 17:3
“I am ascending to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God” John 20:17
“yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.” 1 Cor. 8:6
While you hang on the words of your Trinitarian scholars in your echo chamber, I listen to the words of Jesus who explains what the first commandment means by hearing what he said about what he and the Jews understood.
No Jew ever, at or before Jesus’ time, believed that the nouns which imply plurality were meant to be understood as a Trinity of persons in one essence. Your bottom-line contention is the false notion that scholars who believe as you do understand the first commandment better than Jesus and the Jews who received that commandment from God.
It is written again:
“For we are not bold to number or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves. But they themselves, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves with themselves, are without understanding.” 2 Corinthians 10:12
Zemirah wrote:
You, Tom Raddatz, are being intentionally deceitful, as you attempt to destroy the meaning of God's Word. You deny the power that God, the Holy Spirit has exercised for the two thousand years of Christianity, as He has been the indwelling teacher, counselor, comforter and guide of every Christian.
Another false and groundless accusation void of anything but the private interpretations of you and theologians who believe like you. It is also projecting exactly what you are doing. If it is okay for you to claim, without providing any concrete evidence whatsoever than that I don’t believe like you do, then it is also okay for me to claim and provide evidence both biblically and historically for where you Trinitarians got off the train of salvation.
I have already laid out the origins of the Trinity being in antichristian gnosticism and adopted by Platonistic philosophers in the third and fourth century.
You cannot quote one place where God, Jesus, the apostles or the prophets preached or taught that “God is three persons in one essence.”
Therefore, since you are cornered like a trapped animal, all you have in defense is to strike out with your ad hominem attacks.
How is that showing love, wisdom and compassion?
Zemirah wrote:
In your many words, you have shown no wisdom, no love, no compassion for a suffering world or a spiritually lost mankind.
Teaching people, as you and all Trinitarians do, to negate the first commandment, just like the serpent did in the garden when he taught people to negate the one commandment, is what is unloving, shows no wisdom, is full of your own words, thereby lacking compassion for a suffering world.
Now let’s move on to your one and only scripture that you can quote that you think (falsely) condemns me, and we will see the reverse is true.